Reply #54: Joe Joe Joe

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it's divisive. You're attacking your fellow democrats saying they're whining and now "complainophiles".

Another poster here once said "suicide doves" and I went apeshit on him, deservedly. Can you try not name calling? Don't you see you're alienating rather than constructing? If you've given up on people just because they don't agree with you then haven't you actually given up on the validity of your own opinion?

It's better to build a consensus on common ground and understanding here than to try to build consensus to alienate some of your fellow democrats. Doubtless there are dems here who think it's okay to minimalize with with allusions to "whining", etc., but you need our votes and we need yours to move things forward. Obama needs to take some chances; needs to stick his neck out for the populist dynamic he leveraged to get into office in the first place.

Finally, he may be moving forward at a presidential pace, but he himself needs to communicate that he has a vision and that he is acting on it. He needs deadlines just like the rest of us, or those bills won't ever get paid.