Reply #115: Jefferson, you and I are in agreement . . .

[defendandprotect]

I'll try --

but you didn't make clear what YOU think is "the only situation we can possibly respond to right

now -- the one HERE TODAY."


IMO, it's one "situation" -- a situation of fascism having crossed our threshold in America.

Suddenly? No. Probably from around the time we thought we were defeating the Nazis/fascists

in Germany, while many were moving on into other countries, including being brought into the

US by Allen Dulles under "Operation Paperclip."

PLUS our failure to acknowledge and actually deal with right wing here --

The McCarthy Era which was an attack on the ideals of democracy -- and purged liberals

and progressives from government and positions of influence --

and our right wing in America who, btw, had attempted at least one presidential assassination

prior to the coup on JFK. There actually were plans to kill FDR --

See: Smedley Darlington Butler

And, of course, once we admit that reality, we also look to the assassination of Lincoln to

shed more light on how long this political violence has been going on.

And even in recent times, a long list of suspected assassinations - from Daj Hammarskjold

at the United Nation to Adlai Stevenson and on to Paul Wellstone -- JFK, Jr.

Does it make it more or less likely that people will respond and change the dynamic we both agree is not good?

I think the more citizens understand things from the highest perspective the more able they

are to respond.

For instance, does Jefferson's quote hurt or harm response of citizens who may "internalize"

it?

Does a reminder that our Founders advocated "constant vigilance" hurt or harm response?

And from Caesar to JFk the CIA and the Secret Service, how does it harm anyone to recognize

that you can only really be betrayed by those closest to you?

Consider Clinton and the overturning of 60 years of Welfare guarantees? Clinton and trade

agreements? Obama and the new Commission to study "entitlements."

Is an article like this OP harmful in reminding us of computer steals?

How would it help voters not to be aware of the ability of those so inclined to hack the vote?

How would it harm citizens to reflect upon how the 2000 election was stolen, beginning with

the Fox/Jon Ellis recall?

And how does it harm citizen action to understand that this is NOT "conspiracy-free America"?

And how does it harm citizen action to understand that Democrats have been complicit in much

of the destruction of the New Deal?




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REPEATING MY POST . . .

Royals simply morphed into capitalists/corporatism --

It's what it's always been and there is never any total protection against it --

except constant vigilance --

We also have to remember that we are betrayed by those closest to us -- that is the

most effective means.

This is a subject we have all been becoming aware of since the 2000 election...

I've been warning about the secret unaccountable computerized vote counts as deadly to democracy and an invitation to open fraud for all those years.

EVERYONE is aware that these voting machines can be hacked --

EVEN MORE ... the large and the individual voting machines began to come in during the

mid-and-late 1960's.

THEREFORE I would suggest to you that every election since that time is in doubt.

Nixon vs Humphrey? Coincidentally, these computers began coming in just as America was

passing The Voting Rights Act!

The LARGE computers are also a concern -- they came in during the early 1960's -- and they

are used by MSM. Previous to these computers, MSM could only report actual vote tallies.

These computers gave them the ability not only to report -- but to PREDICT -- and to CALL

elections for candidates and by state in Federal Elections -- where they would PREDICT and

CALL elections for presidential candidates!

And we saw that power used again in 2000 when Fox/Jon Ellis REVERSED that power to

RECALL Florida from Gore -- and to later RECALL it for Bush!


MOST OF ALL -- please tell me that we all understand the right wing political violence which

has inflicted such damage upon America and our attempt at democracy! From the JFK coup on our

people's government to Martin Luther King, Jr. -- Bobby Kennedy -- on and on -- they no longer

wait for an actual leader to arise and be effective -- they are disappeared early on now at

the first hint of resistance.


Our democracy has been dismantled piece by piece and BOTH parties have contributed to the

dismantling --