Reply #14: Depends on local law. I know a chap in Tucson was walking and a cop demanded ID

[havocmom]

The pedestrian had none and was arrested. I do believe it went to court. I KNOW it caused a huge ruckus. Not sure on outcome, but seem to recall no jail and a lot of policy review by the department.

In reality, how many of us carry papers when we walk the dog, take a run, ride a bike around for exercise, go for a swim? Plus, please consider that though we tend to carry papers when we go shopping, mos women do not have wallets in their pants, and a lot of women's clothing do not have pockets. While the gents usually have some id if they have their pants on, we ladies are frequently out in the hood sans wallet. Gents out for a run seldom seem burdened by wallets full of IDs.

Now, as to whether IDs are required: some places do require them, but since most people are never asked to prove they exist, it seems a moot point.

The AZ law enables harassment of people that other people THINK look like illegals. Let me tell ya, that is a racism enabling act, not a solution to a border security problem.

Joe Arpio is under investigation for a lot of shit he has been pulling. And Maricopa County has had to deal with some lawsuits because of his profiling and harassing of people who have done nothing wrong, save be a color Joe dislikes. This law seems to be an attempt to save the county some coin in lawsuits while a bad sheriff goes about violating civil rights.

If you step out on your lawn to fetch the morning paper, do you always have ID? If you are not the favored color in AZ, that might create some serious legal problems for you.

THAT is a class action/civil rights problem in the making. And it does not one thing to solve the problem of illegal immigration.