Reply #21: I don't' think they were asking what it would take to give up oil...

[Ozymanithrax]

Neoconjobs are about furthering the American Empire, at lest that is how I saw them.

My observations here are just comments about the state of the civilization we live in. Someone living near the end of he Mayan Civilization, or the Bronze Age civilization may very well have thought these same thoughts. Mayan populations plummeted by as much as 75% when their own use of specific technologies that allowed them to exceed the carrying capacity of their land caused ecological disruption that, literally, made life untenable. The difference is the orders of magnitude between their civilization and ours. We either find a new source of petrochemicals, a different resource that is cheap, abundant, and less damaging, or we will eventually collapse. Such collapses are common throughout history.