Reply #87: inevitable and unavoidable conflict here

[Two Americas]

You argue that the fault is with humans, or human nature, and not the system, that the way humans are is causing the social problems. I see the system as causing the problems, and causing people to act the way they are acting.

You see changing humans as the path to changing the system. I see changing the system as the path to people being able to improve themselves.

You see people, as individuals, needing to improve or be improved, I see the problems as being about community, and that the community needs to be improved to support people better - then and only then people will "be" better.

Without getting into which one of us may be right about this, I am just pointing out that there is a profound conflict between those two points of view, and that when it goes unrecognized that makes it difficult or impossible to discuss politics and reach any understanding.


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