Reply #3: Shuer misses the whole point in this way

[Wiley50]

Bush/Cheney weren't torturing in order to get info to protect us,

It is now clearer that they were doing it for no other reason than
coercing these people to say that there was a connection between Osama and Saddam,
in order to justify the invasion of Iraq

When they had been dead set on invading Iraq before they ever took office

for the game plan set forth in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by PNAC
and to take control of the 2nd largest proven oil supply in the world
and claim their own gas station across the corner from their buddies, the Saudis