Reply #12: In the grand scheme of things, you gotta justify the costs

[Oregone]

And its just a silly notion to throw forward your charge card (it won't make the country competitive to take that approach).

Especially when there are cheaper ways to provide universal care than the insurance model

And thats my point. Why would anyone willing choose to just "do it" and let it consume a budget when you can "do it better". The VA...thats doing it better. Thats the model to move towards, and the US already has it.

Look...Im saying single-payer is the first step to make health care affordable in the short term (but not feasible in the big picture). The next step will be eliminating profit and fee-per-service on the delivery end.

Using the "always afford it" argument isn't always the best approach to arrive at the most efficient model of delivery and payment. Hell, you can always afford subsidizing gross for-profit private insurance in a multi-payer system, but thats simply the foolish way to go in the long run (because the US will remain paying over 2X what everyone else will for health care).