Reply #173: I would like to believe that

[DonCoquixote]

But for all of Obama's faults, the truth is, we would NOT have been there, we would be doing exactly what we are now, trying to argue amongst ourselves while we try to dismantle our own piece of the pie for ourselves. The Popular mandate was a lie, because the victory was won sadly by the so called "independents" aka the reagan democrats, aka the cancer of the left that keeps it weak. And sadly, the "left" would have been a part of that too, as you would have people say "hey, why no full out Revolution like Comrade trotsky promised!"