There are times I get really disappointed in my fellow liberals...

[vaberella]

And this is about Democrats/Liberals in general. This is in reference to an idea propagated on this site and many others in regards to Obama being primaried.

We have a GOP that is ridiculously and utterly fractured. They are bombarded by the extreme right, by Tea Partiers, moderate Republicans, and old school Republicans who look more moderate than they did before. The Tea Partiers are rejecting the Republicans since they are really made up of maybe some Dems, a good number of Independents who are swayed by clowns, and a good number of oldie Repubs, and some whatevers. Then you have the Extreme Right Republicans who hold the Tea Party mantle but promote some crazy ideas that scare everyone.

We have all the GOP "potential" candidates as a waste of air. Literally none of them have a single quality that is worthwhile as a contender AGAINST Obama---against any other Dem we might put in place they have a far better chance of winning. This is known. I've ran through all the names and they fail on almost all levels. It's 3 months into the two year mark---and not one person has come forth to say I'm running for President. Most of them are skipping around the topic or looking into the well, but nothing definitive. They all know they would lose massively to Obama. I think this might be the first election in history where the sitting President has absolutely not one contender to fight against---I think his only hopeful will actually be Mickey Mouse.

Yet, what do I see on this board and people talking about in other places. We have supposed Dems on television---pundit commentators and we have people ranging from mocking the current President to requesting a primary. So while this marks a perfect time to take advantage of an opportunity that is handed to us on a silver platter. It's an absolutely genius time to take over the national discourse, and support a Democratic control of the United States on all levels from the State to National level and rally behind the President to get it done; we instead want to display how fractured WE are. By doing so...the Republicans gain the leverage they need to basically hold a good number of places and possibly wipe us out, again.

Don't underestimate these fools. They are worse than cockroaches. Every time I think----"Yes, they're done." They manage to come back on air. We finally got rid of Palin, relatively. Meaning, after the "blood libel" comment she sort of went mum. It took a series of hits one after the other ending with the "bl" statement to finally lose a good number of political leverage. The Governor of Wisconsin, Walker, who I thought would have been done when the tape was released----didn't miss a beat and kept on preaching what he plans to do and still has much of the Republican backing and still holds 35%+ of the State as some back up. People may scoff at that number but I could have sworn that when the telephone recording came out Wisconsin people would see that this man is not looking out for their best interest and it would have plummeted to the teens. No, it did not. And he and his fellow Republicans are doing all they can to ensure the destruction of Wisconsin and Unions.

You'd think, you'd really think---we as the other side would see what's going on and come together. We may disagree on points, but would recognize this as a prime opportunity to give Obama the utterly progressive caucus that we can use to pressure him into doing the things we want (this is for those of us who are not pretty happy with him now). Or for those of us who like what he's doing now to give him the base he needs to push even more of those progressive agendas.

Instead I see false meme after false meme after false meme. I'm tired of hearing about Gitmo. Geez. Majority of the issues people have, have to do with things Congress did not do and we instead blame the Pres as though he can twist the hands of Congress. People in Texas, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi, and so on get yourselves some Progressive Dems (not the DLC clowns) but Dems who have a progressive tilt to be put in Congress and we can get shit done. You want unwatered down and serious agendas?! Really? Then get the house full of them and give the Senate the 60-65 Progressive Dems we would need to push this legislation. Obviously, the right in country will NEVER support Obama. So give him that and we can get some shit done---your way. Why is no one talking or thinking this way but think the President has all the power? Anything he does by executive order is shot down by the Republican candidate. You want some of these measures put into law so that no Republican freaky President can change it without some serious effort and a Republican base.

We didn't give Obama the right backbone to begin with. We thought because they were a Dem majority, we would get things done. Then we have Lincoln, along with her ConservaDems fucking us up in Congress and really causing the issues Obama had in getting really profound legislations ultimately watered down a bit. Thank God some good things were still in it, but I can see where we lost key provisions and it was because we had people like her who joined forces with the GOP. When you have Dems who are more worried about if they will have a job in the following term, you don't have a good Rep.


However, rather than a single person, or more people really talking about that and seeing this as an opportunity for US. Not the President. But really, for US to organize and get behind our local people to give the President the best legislative backbone he could have; instead we are suggesting let's primary him. Yes, because that's the best way to get things like that done. :eyes: None of the Repubs in 2004 primaried except for like a bunch of no-names.

Instead we have pundits to regular people professing this. I mean come on guys. Really?! He's a good president. If someone goes through this track record here (or search on DU): http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

He's done a great deal of good and that's only monitoring his promises. He's done even more than this on our side. Yes, I can understand that there are some who are upset over certain things. But they are very small in number. I do agree he needs to address those, but lets get ourselves the Reps who will keep him straight, if that's what you want. I want a set who are all about progressive ideals (I don't care if they're Dem, Repub, or Indie). But we should be talking about organizing, in particular for our local candidates or at least some of us need to become one.

We should be talking about the candidates that we hope to see running on a state level that we can put on the national forefront. I should be seeing posts by people who have heard of this really great candidate on the local level in Arkansas (or whatever state) that we can rally behind to get into office to back up our President. Instead, people are mocking the President as though he can control a bunch of nut cases. Congress, mainly the House of Rep is a nut house, seriously. We have Virginia Foxx, Bachmann, DeMint, Boehner, Ryan and so on and so forth. I never knew people could control nut cases---they were voted into power and want to fuck up the government. We are giving them all the measure and rope they need to stay that way. I don't want Obama to have another 4 years with those freaks. But I definitely want him to have another 4 years.

Rather than focusing my energy on getting him primaried. Why don't people suggest---well let's focus our energy on getting our House of Reps revamped into a Progressive division (as I said, it's irrelevant to me if they are Dems, Indies, or Republicans---(YES REPUBLICANS can be PROGRESSIVES!))?! Why?! We're going after the fellow Dem who has done many progressive things and compromised due to either the DLC clowns fucking us over or because of Republicans----but not because of his own initiatives. And instead, we're talking about getting him primaried?! How does that work? Where are the people in the state of New Jersey saying we need to get Christy out?! How are they planning on doing that? Do they have another candidate? Do you guys need volunteers from New York to come in and help. We're not that keen on New Jersey----we might come in if you give us back the Statue of Liberty. :rofl: :headbang: I'm trying to ingest a bit of humor. I love my NJ people, well some of you. This is what I'm talking abou

How about getting Feingold back in office? How, is that going? WI people do you need some Chicago people to be deployed? Who in Chicago can help? How about the state of Wyoming? The no.1 most Republican state in the bloody nation. Where the hell are the DUers or leftist bloggers who can name a few strong candidates or contenders we can push on a nation level so they can win on the state level and can back up the President and our progressive initiatives.

What's my point of this post or rant or whatever?! I think our priorities are skewed. I seriously do. I think we, general sense, are not looking at this rationally. There seems to be an unhealthy focus on vengeance. I remember when the 2010 voting started, many people said they would not vote Dem or they would not vote period. Others stated to get back at Obama ---because he in some way rejected his base. Or he was no different than Bush. I saw this on this site and others. I'm sure many others did too. Some are deleted, thanks mods. We have Ed Schultz going on television and promoting this same idea and measure. How is that supportive? If people think Celebrities are influential---then we'd have to admit that some tv personalities are the same. Some people are influenced by Stewart, Maddow, Olbermann (when he was on), and I'm sure a good number are influenced by Schultz. How is that promoting support of the Dem party?

We are so focused on seeing the President as a single entity and wrecking vengeance on him trough the voting booth or primary; that we're not realizing his legislative power lies, really, in the hands of Congress. We want seriously progressive policies?! Get the House to support progressive measures, most of which were introduced by him? How do we get that done? You give him the Dems who would support or write such policies.

When a proposal is put forth to allow Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire and it fails TWICE. The fault does not lie with Obama here....it lies with the bloody Congress. Where was the House to back it up? These are Dems who voted against it---so it failed. Dems joined forces with the Republican minority, at the time to make it fail. However, majority accused the President, when he did the best he could to make sure the non-mutually exclusive measure protects the poor and middle class. We need to fix the Dem party and make it stronger, less polarized and and more inline with the progressive agenda even if it might make them a one-time Rep.

Now all I see is posts or blogs to get him out or keep him legit---I don't really get how that would keep him legit, primary him. No, we need to get our people in and keep them in. I don't hear that. It's missing in the discussion on GDP or anywhere in the net or in the media. I don't see a movement to get Dems into office. I hear people mocking the President and supporting the meme he's weak or using other meme's to marginalize or lie about his record. I hear people upset, or frustrated by Dems. I hear people pushing for him to go and I see how crappy the GOP is...that we think showing a polarized Dem party makes for good headway. Ugh...it just doesn't make bloody sense.

If we're serious about getting things done then we should know that Congress is our key to do it. We want DOMA repealed fastest---get a good 230 (just in case someone has a cold) progressive candidates in the House and Senate and we got it done. You want a measure allowing states to choose their form of healthcare---get the progressives in the house and senate. You want the war to end, get it in the house and senate to support Kucinich's bill. If the President dares to even think of vetoing them---then you go after his record. But when we're not even giving him the Progressives Legislative body, we can' expect much progressive initiatives to be successful. Sadly, this time around we've given him a bunch of racist, corporatist nut bags, who love the rich like bitches in heat.

Once again as I said. I think our priorities are skewed and we need to get back on track or figure out where it should be. I think it should be on revamping the house. On really organizing ourselves for that. I'm just not seeing or hearing it though.