Reply #57: Condescension is all over DU,

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and attempts at honest, thoughtful discussion about Obama and his mistakes often sink fast with zero recs. There are many frequent posters who really do seek to defend Obama no matter what. But there are also many who are open to honest, thoughtful discussion. I've had many useful discussions about policy issues with both Obama critics and Obama defenders, and I've learned a lot from posters who disagree with me. Generally, my posts are critical of Obama, and sometimes I get very angry at him. But it is obvious to me that Obama receives a lot of undeserved blame at this site (as well as a lot of undeserved praise). On the other hand, I do find it amazing that some people really do think that Obama's critics are mostly stupid or ill-informed or PUMAs or liberal racists or people who don't realize that Obama is not King. Some of Obama's supporters lap up bullshit theories about why many liberals are disappointed with Obama. (I'm sorry, but if you think Melissa Harris-Perry provided serious evidence of subtle racism lurking behind white liberal disappointment with Obama, or even serious evidence that Obama is held to a higher standard than Clinton, then you are going to lose credibility with me.) I also find it amazing that some people believe that most defenders of Obama are stupid or ill-informed or hero worshipers or DINOs or don't realize that Obama is human. (I'm sorry, but if you think Naomi Wolf provided serious evidence that Obama and Congress authorized the DHS to get violent with OWS protesters, then you are going to lose credibility with me.)

Anyway, here's to honest, thoughtful discussion. Cheers.