Reply #133: I am about as Liberal as it gets and I agree with bluestate10. My critique of what

[patrice]

goes on amongst some Liberals and others on this board isn't about Liberalism. It's about how to get from point A to point B most effectively/powerfully, the objective being not to lose on as many of our issues as possible. And people who push 3rd party stuff right now, at the national level, are whistling passed the graveyard. Yeah, they can put some numbers together, yeah they can primary some people, but IF they end up electing Republicans or Libertarians, their issues are going to fail, because that's just the way it is. I want us to stick together so that OUR NUMBERS mean something. We should also be more clear about accountability amongst ourselves. Issue advocates should NOT be shy about stating their quid pro quos for/with other issue advocates. That's the sort of thing that will help save us from the corruption of the 2-party system.