Reply #2: we all know this is bogus

[pitohui]

rich/upper middle class dads may be more "involved" in their kid's lives if they feel like it but at the poor/lower income side of it then fathers have abandoned families

i don't know why any woman has a baby, because the odds are extremely high she is going to be doing it alone

as for grandma, guess what, grandma does not wanna raise your baby either, sheesh, this whole idea of "well let's dump baby on granny" is selfish beyond belief and assumes a woman's entire life is without value and only there to be a slave to baby

community, my ass, community exists in fantasy articles not reality

as for neighbors "sharing the work of family" you would have to be fucking crazy, as a younger person, i helped babysit but i NEVER do it today, not even for people i know very well -- the risk of a false accusation that ruins your whole life is too high, i have seen for myself that no innocent person can ever prove their innocence, you can't PROVE a negative -- if you can't raise your own child expect to pay big money to a licensed child care center, the day when you could call a neighbor and swap jobs is OVER for legal reasons

there were just way too many false accusations in my area, too many lives destroyed over nothing

when asked to babysit, supervise, etc. i flat out say "no," no discussion