World media: Bush inaugural a jolt

[ckramer]

Perhaps, the most telling phrase by Bush was: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands."

[Fleshdancer]

1. I certainly hope it gave them a jolt

The next few days are going to be interesting...reading the reactions from the foreign press. Right now they all seem to be in shock mode.

[Boswells_Johnson]

2. I liked the CBC headline: Bush pledges 4 years of spreading 'freedom'

I love quotation marks:)

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/01/20/bush-new050120.html

[Xipe Totec]

6. Yea, it reminds me of Futurama's 'A Taste of Freedom'

Zoidberg (singing): Freedom freedom freedom, oy! Freedom freedom freedom, oy!

Fry: There's no denying it. The future's crazy! Oh well, don't wanna stand out!



Fry and Zoidberg (singing): Freedom freedom freedom, oy! Freedom freedom freedom, oy!

Zoidberg: There's nothing crazy about it. It's just Freedom Day!



http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/futurama/futurama504.htm

[sniffa]

9. is that Like

spreading santorum?

[ronnykmarshall]

3. The world press gets it right.

They know a warmonger when they see one and aren't scared to call it.

The more and more I read about Monkey Boy's speech, the more I am convinced that this country is on the verge of collapse.

That asshole is wants war. Period. He's going to bankrupt the nation and divide us even further.


To which I say:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

49. Sing! "Springtime for Hitler...Look out Europe, we're going on tour...."

The temperature in this pot of frogs just went up a few more degrees.

They might have killed Abbie Hoffman or not, but we need to learn from the 1960s and get moving on spreading the resistance far and wide to stay out of the net.

Understand that we at this website are probably all in their COINTELPRO-type database and we are being closely monitored to see WHEN they should open up the camps waiting in the desert for resistance leaders.

The internet makes it easier to organize AND be controlled by the fascists now that being disappeared, tortured, and executed is 'legal.'

Every time I come home I wonder if a 'sneak and peak' visit has been made to look at my bookshelves and go through my closets.

I leave my dirty underwear out for Agent Mike to enjoy.

We better get smart and decentralize the resistance into our communities FAST, people!

[jdj]

4. they need to show the picture of the hooded man

witht the jumper cables hooked to him next to this headline.

Jolt indeed.

[PassingFair]

47. I listened to his "speech" and in my mind's eye

imagined it as a voice-over for scenes I've seen from Iraq, including the devastation of Fallujah.
Spreading freedom my ASS.

:puke:

Sorry, must've picked up a virus or something. Can't seem to get rid of the nausea since listening to the oaf of office.

[tridim]

5. I hope this jolt, jolts other governments into the realization

that we need their help. Our leaders are out of control, tyrannical and clearly insane. More than anything, the 'fires of freedom' thing has me seriously freaked out. I hope this will be the catalyst that brings us all together with a common goal.

[toymachines]

8. but who is going to challenge, please tell me who

you think there will be some sort of alliance of countries which will attack us? I know sitting here we are like, "well its really mostly the leaders who are screwing everything up, we didnt do it" and we may think we are innocent, even victims. but i dont think the international community cares anymore. our general apathy and ignorance has lead us to this point. i fear outright war, i fear for my life like i havent before. being 19 i see a very real chance of an attempt to draft me. jah help us

[Benhurst]

13. The United States is a musclebound giant. Sure, we can

bomb the hell out of anybody; but look to Iraq to see how even a poor, essentially unarmed country can resist an American invasion.

Bush and his equally evil cronies thought they were going to have Iraq's oil at their disposal.

They'd better think again.

And if the American people like what's going on in Iraq, they're going to love what an invasion of Iran would entail.

It's so sad what the Bush Crime Family is doing to this country -- to say nothing of Iraq and the rest of the world.

[DBoon]

15. Those muscles come from steroids

US is like a body-builder on steroids - looks strong, but the liver is rotting out from inside.

We are incredibly economically dependent on the countries our government despises. This gives them incredible leverage over us.

No bombs are going to make them buy our worthless securities.

[smirkymonkey]

31. Excellent analogy.

All the military might in the world isn't going to save us from ourselves.

[ckramer]

32. When using steroids, the size of dick shrinks

It's compensated by driving a huge SUV

[Red State Blues]

20. terrifying

"you think there will be some sort of alliance of countries which will attack us?"

This has always scared me since the original "axis of evil" speech, actually Cheney started it earlier.

I know that the purpose of the whole "axis" thing was to threaten these countries into straightening up before we "had" to deal with them, but I always wondered why no one seemed to see the obvious danger that we were telling them in advance of our plans and exactly who "they" needed to call for help.

If change can succeed, I don't see any help coming from the "axis" or that an attack on us could possibly bring about anything positive.

What we need is help from our old allies, cajoling us into better behavior or letting us know that with BushCo we are really alone.

[toymachines]

23. its like the leaders dont have the balls to tell bush to his face....

wait a second, maybe they do and the truth is he is an incompetent man unable to grasp reality. or maybe bush just doesnt want other peoples advice and doesnt talk to them, ya i think thats it.

[jokerman93]

44. it occurs to me now

It occurs to me now that we have no real way of knowing how much has already been said or threatened privately by various world leaders. We the people are being left out of the information loop intentionally so the marketing strategy of the Neocon gaspel can have a saturating effect on the American psyche.

Obviously, every single day of the year is filled with a dizzing drama of power politics playing out across the world. We're lucky we at least have the internet to keep track of the events that can be documented.

We may be farther along into the coming expansion of conflict than we know.

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[Casandra]

26. Retalliation

Perhaps there is another way for other countries to respond to this hubris. Isolate us! The U.N. could declare us a rogue nation, which would in turn prompt debtors to call in their debts.Our real status of being 'bankrupt' surfaces! NO further trade with anyone.. Dollar dives and our economy tanks big time! There are many other ways to
retalliate and bring us into 'line'..beyond attacking us. I don't see a military confrontation coming.

[Spazito]

30. Exactly!

It will be an 'economic' retaliation, not a military one. The number of countries that signing trade agreements, forming alliances that do NOT include the US is growing in leaps and bounds.

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[Spazito]

38. Ummm, no.....

If you do a google you will find many countries are finding other buyers for their products that the US now purchases so their economy will be safeguarded, you will find countries reducing the amount of US currency they are holding and exchanging them for euros, etc. When they are ready, watch the world currency change from US dollars to the Euro and then watch who survives and who doesn't, economically.

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[Spazito]

41. ROFL!

And, as you can also see, I show it proudly! I just can't figure out how your post furthers the debate on the economy at all, gosh, one almost think you are avoiding furthering your knowledge of the world, nah, couldn't be, could it, eh?

[SemperEadem]

33. I agree

if we acted like they did in the Ukraine after our election, then I'd say that challenges would be coming out of the woodwork. But mostly, we bitched and moaned here, were largely ignored by the msm and reached for the remote to switch the channel. it's easier to dog the remote than it is to get up, put on clothes and go out and protest fraudulent electronic voting machines stealing our votes.

As far as the world press is concerned, our apathy is part of the problem, too.

[DinahMoeHum]

22. Buscho doesn't understand - just because you're a "superpower"

doesn't mean that you have super powers.

Maybe we should coax China, Japan, India, etc. to call in their loans and demand $$$. The US debt to the rest of the world is the "kryptonite" that will bring down that little Superman wannabee.


:nuke:

[Old Mouse]

7. Bush declared war on the world in that speech

Capitulation or retaliation is all we can expect.

[jukes]

12. O/M

i think you called it very clearly; i also think the rest of the world sees how over-extended & materially bankrupt we are. i don't think they'll cow...

[Quakerfriend]

16. How right you are! And, they've already begun to

sideline us as much as they can. Ex: Venezuela sinching deal with China over oil pipeline and beginning to trade oil for euros instead of $$.

[Old Mouse]

19. Bush didn't deploy missiles at the inauguration

to protect from terrorists.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

28. i thought the same when i heard it. there will be even lousier times ahead

[coreystone]

50. How long will it take for the American people to remove their heads...

from the sand and take a look. I can only hope that there will be, at minimum, SOME moments when the sources of information in this most powerful country may stand to expose this travesty for the deception that they have played along with for so long. I always refer everybody that I talk to a numerous number of "internet sites" to assist in whatever truth seeking missions which they may have time in their lives for. It is hard to find the the truth these days.

[Old Mouse]

51. Welcome to the information age!

Unfortunately recognition of the situation requires effort and cognitive skill.

[Just Me]

10. The neoCONimperialists are re-defining American nationalism,...

,...and one of the reporters pegged it:

,...being morally conceited and militarily aggressive are two major elements of American nationalism.

Fascism in our midst,...these neoCONimperialists are clearly of fascist flavor,...and our country has indeed taken a horrifying U-turn.

[suegeo]

11. When do we invade Poland? Annex Austria?

The Sudetenland (SP?) surely will be ours.

Tomorrow belongs to me.

[no_to_war_economy]

14. please let us all unite

with the world against ourself ! is that possible

[CoffeeCat]

24. YES!! We all need to discuss this more!!!

How can we unite with the world to defeat....ourselves????

The German people couldn't stop Hitler. It took the international community to say "enough is enough."

It will take an international effort to stop this fascist warmongering from the Bush Administration.

They're masters of deception, so they'll always have some supporters. They've hoodwinked religious conservatives onto their side, so a motivated base that votes in high numbers, will always aid their hidden PNACer agenda. When they don't have enough votes, they'll just simply steal the election. I doubt there's a way to win from the inside. Sad, but true.

Throwing out an SOS to the world--is an effort worth discussing.

(Wasn't that a Police song...sending out an SOS...sending out an SOS...sending out an SOS to the world...

[Old Mouse]

34. Remember where the German people who tried to stop Hitler ended up

Gitmo is set up for indefinite detention without charge. They have the power to revoke citizenship. Bush is several steps ahead of us.

[CoffeeCat]

39. Ok...I'm playing devil's advocate here...

...but how much damage can they do in four years?

Are they going to start rounding liberals/outspoken progressives up?

I would imagine that most of us here would be candidates for a Gitmo vacation.

I'm not doubting what you say at all. In fact, I agree.

I'm just wondering what people expect will happen.

Scary stuff.

[Old Mouse]

46. I don't know how fast it could happen

But everything has happened faster than expected. That's how they have been succeeding, by rushing things to avoid a careful debate.

They won't need all of us, just those who show leadership.

[bunny planet]

52. Great idea. I already sent out letters to the editor at several European

papers before the election, telling them that the American people (or at least 3/4's of us) were being held captive against our will by this administration. I also gave them the heads up that I was sure they would try and steal the election again. Don't know if my letters ever got printed, probably not, but a massive "HELP US" letter writing campaign now might not be a bad idea.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. buhumbug, anybody who has read PNAC

is not surprsied, but the CSM is not even telling us where this reaction is coming from.

Anybody care to send the CSM a link ot the PNAC papers?

[Quakerfriend]

18. That's a great idea!!

:bounce:

[Red State Blues]

21. yeah.

I'm sure the reason they don't report on it is because they aren't aware of it.

But it couldn't hurt.

[CoffeeCat]

25. That's sad isn't it??

If the MSM isn't aware of the PNAC docs--then that's just pathetic. They're journalists for crimeny sake!

If they know about the PNAC docs and haven't reported on it--well that's even more pathetic.

If a stay-at-home mom from Iowa can find the PNAC docs and figure out that these salivating warmonger thugs care only about world dominiation and dragging the US into war--then I think the big bad journalists should be able to as well!!

[Just Me]

29. Oh, don't doubt for a moment that they know about PNAC.

They choose to avoid that proof of imperialistic endeavors.

Why? :shrug:

Money? :shrug:

[Old Mouse]

37. Lack of long term imagination

The people in media are just that: people. Life has gotten too complex to take it all in and analyze it without bias.

Most people believe deep down that It Can't Happen Here even though it obviously IS happening. A criminal, fascist takeover of the entire government.

[Just Me]

45. Yes. I am sure that is part of it.

Some have underlying motives, some haven't a clue, some are simply distracted, some are as manipulated by government-sponsored propaganda as are the public-at-large, and some are simply incapable of processing the big picture.

[genieroze]

27. Another words, watch your backs. eom

[coreystone]

35. Bush's Inaugural Address was all about the "BUZZ" words and PNAC!

'Perhaps, the most telling phrase by Bush was: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." '

"Liberty" and "freedom" are not words which I would hope any of us would connote a negative attribute, but, when they are used so extensively in the inaugural address given by Bush yesterday, one might question the propagandizing effect of these words, as spoken to the American people and the world community.

I agree that the phrase quoted by "ckramer" exposes a great concern by the world community as well as the citizens of our country. I would also care to assert that this phrase correlates well with the interests of those associated with "The Project For A New American Century". Link: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

"So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." It seems that the "Bush Doctrine" of "No Nation Building" as promised to the American people in the election of 2000 has been amended. Was it changed by 9/11?? I think not! The following is from the Bush 2001 inaugural address:

"We will confront weapons of mass destruction, so that a new century is spared new horrors.

The enemies of liberty and our country should make no mistake: America remains engaged in the world by history and by choice, shaping a balance of power that favors freedom. We will defend our allies and our interests. We will show purpose without arrogance. We will meet aggression and bad faith with resolve and strength. And to all nations, we will speak for the values that gave our nation birth."

Link: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Bush+2001++Inaugural+speech&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D5033a887553a1a71%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3DBush%2B2001%2B%2BInaugural%2Bspeech%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.whitehouse.gov%252Fnews%252Finaugural-address.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fnews%2Finaugural-address.html

I see a progressive posture upon the part of Bush, from the 2001 address through the 2005 address, to utilize the blind "patriotism" of the American people, and, victimize their vulnerability to support the words "freedom" and "liberty" in the behavioral propagandizing of the goals of the PNAC. How odd it is that the "buzz" word - "patriotism" was not used once in the 2005 speech! At least, I didn't hear it!

For any who would care to investigate further, there is another site named "The Project for the Old American Century" (POAC)- Link: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/

And, have a great day!

:-)

[superconnected]

42. good read.. thank you for this

[arikara]

43. There are certain words now that have really creepy connotiations

Its been coming on for the past few years but escalating by the chimpistas, for example the words freedom, democracy, and values.

When I hear them say the word "freedom", now I picture bombs falling and tanks rolling over towns. Kids crying and bleeding. All that freedom means to them is the freedom for their corporations to grow obscenely richer at the expense of the rest of the world. And when I hear them say the word "values" I see fundy nuts holding crosses and pictures of fetuses, threatening women going in to clinics and picking on gay people in the name of their cruel god... and growing foodlines with hungry children and adults and no jobs. Values to them means control over the masses; not living by the words of Jesus.

When I hear them say the word "democracy", I see the hooded man with wires attached, naked pyramids and dogs menacing terrified prisoners. I believe that democracy will be a failed experiment and will fall the same way that communism and fascism did. I believe that it is inevitable that the anger over the mistreatment of the world by these maniacs will reach a critical mass and boil over. Once that happens, they cannot win any more than Hitler could have. The chimp can smirk and spout his stilted lies all he wants, I believe that he will go down in history alongside Hitler as one of the worlds most corrupt and evil leaders.

[ckramer]

48. Totally agree. USA is upside down now under Bush

[Moderator]

53. duplicate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1169278&mesg_id=1169278