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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:08 PM
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Unqualified US medics carried out amputations at Abu Ghraib: report
Unqualified US medics carried out amputations at Abu Ghraib: report
02-06-2005, 19h28


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Unqualified US military medics stationed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison carried out amputations, recycled used chest tubes and lacked medical supplies to treat the overcrowded jail's inmates after the fall of Baghdad, according to a report.

The Time magazine report, to hit newsstands Monday, also said that a medic was ordered, by one account, to cover up a homicide inside the jail.

Although the prison just outside Baghdad was jammed with as many as 7,000 detainees -- some of whom displayed serious mental illnesses -- no US doctor was in residence for most of 2003 following the US-led invasion of Iraq.

The report said "with straitjackets unavailable, tethers -- like the leash held by Private Lynndie England -- were put to use at Abu Ghraib to control unruly or mentally disturbed detainees, sometimes with the concurrence of a doctor."
(snip/...)

http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=050206192803.zu401wp0.xml

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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:14 PM
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2. Welcome to the New Dark Ages. n/t
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:18 PM
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3. Interesting that the foreign press is presenting the Time story more than
any of the domestic outlets.

Kinda gets in the way of the "everything's groovy" spin of Bushco et. al.

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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:29 PM
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4. This just makes me ill.
And they keep calling this a "war". bush* just attacked them and starting killing people. He's been killing them for two years and I'm sick of it. Freedom and liberty, my ass.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 10:21 PM
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12. it wasn't a WAR- no one shooting back-but after the U.S showed what it was
about then notice the "insurging" started against the actual insurgents(the invaders)-
Wasn't a WAR. no Declaration of war was ever made.
Invasion, occupation, looting, murder, rape torture.
Call that a war?
When you massacre over 200 thousand civiliians and imprison tens of thousands, many whom are tortured and killed
and maybe DISMEMBERED through AMPUTATIONS????
Would you put it past them to start whacking off limbs for non cooperation?
Those responsible would probably think nothing of it at all.

What if this were exposed as a common practice?
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 05:33 PM
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5. this is absolute barbarism
it is sickening, absolutely sickening.

First we bomb civilians, innocent children, babies, women and old men to the point of death, or dismemberment of body parts by the tens of thousands, then we take them all off to a prision where they are tortured,legally of course since Bonzales the butcher and torturer of Bagdhad had anything to say, and those who are in need of medical attention, get amateur butchers to tend to them and chop off a leg or a foot or an arm or two, then--incredibly, we let them go byt the hundreds.

How can anyone condone this? How can anyone blindly support the mad, bloody killer, the AWOL Commander in Chief, George Bush when they are informed about this?

And they party at an inaugural, with wine flowing, with gowns that cost thousands of dollars, and support the lies, the murders, the killings, the chaos, the mayhem with their thousands upon thousands of dollar contributions to make sure more of the same continues.

George Bush is out of control as has been his habit all of his life. This country and it's corporate doners, are out of control.
Evil has taken over the conscience of more than half the country when it comes to knowing the right thing to do and abject greed rules.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 06:45 PM
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6. Kick ass rant, Malva Z
Just what I am feeling too. :( :(







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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 06:49 PM
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7. thanks for the photo
I needed that.

caught part of the pre game shit -100% recruitement recital.

damn them.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 06:50 PM
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8. Thanks a freakin' lot, neoCONspirators for givin' ObL a good name!!!
This neoCONspirator leadership has DELIVERED the world every reason to HATE US!!!

Thanks a LOT,...you arrogant, greedy, blood-spending, war-mongering profitteers.

I hope nothing BUT your well-earned INFAMY is tagged to the rest of your miserable lives!!! :mad:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 08:52 PM
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9. Time link
The Abu Ghraib Scandal You Don't Know

Medical care was at times so scarce and shabby that it became another kind of abuse.
An inside look
By ADAM ZAGORIN

<snip> In most cases, U.S. frontline troops in Iraq have received top-quality medical care, producing the lowest death rate of any military conflict in history. But the care at Abu Ghraib has often been at the other end of the scale of humane treatment, at least until recently. Although the prison was at times crowded with as many as 7,000 detainees, no U.S. doctor was in residence for most of 2003. Military officials say a few Iraqi doctors saw to minor illnesses but not major traumas. In a statement obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union, an Army medic based at Abu Ghraib spoke of examining from 800 to 900 detainees daily as they were admitted. If he worked a 12-hour day, that gave him less than a minute for each exam. Ken Davis, an MP who served at Abu Ghraib in late 2003, told TIME that he once escorted a prisoner who had broken his foot the day before and had still not received treatment. "He was in terrible pain," Davis recalled. "There was no doctor and really nothing we could do." <snip>

Parrson cited a dearth of catheters, correctly sized breathing tubes and orthopedic supplies, including casts used to treat bone fractures caused by shrapnel from high explosives. Items had to be reused with minimal sterilization or done without, he said. Glucose strips, used to measure blood sugar, were chronically in short supply, leading to haphazard insulin dosing for diabetics. On occasion, said Parrson, internists and he and other nonphysicians carried out amputations and other procedures usually performed by surgeons. "I took off an ankle and a lower leg," he recalls. "There was no one else, and if it was death or amputation, you just had to do it." <snip>

Auch says neither he nor any members of his medical staff were consulted about an Iraqi, later dubbed "Ice Man," when he was first brought to the prison for interrogation by military intelligence. "They didn't check the detainee medically when he came in," says Auch. That may have been a mistake. The man expired under questioning in the middle of the night in an episode that has been officially ruled a homicide. According to statements made during an Army inquiry, military personnel ordered the body put on ice and then spirited it away after medics attached a fake IV to the dead man's arm in an apparent attempt to create the impression that he was still alive. Auch, who says he has not been questioned in the Army investigation, told TIME a medic confided in him that he was ordered by a military-intelligence officer to participate in the ruse and never to talk about it. The Pentagon refuses to comment while it continues to investigate the abuses. <snip>

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1025139-1,00.html














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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:02 PM
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10. Outstanding. Thanks for posting the Time article.
Wouldn't it be nice if Bush had someone read it to him?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:08 PM
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11. You know that the real story has got to be bad when a rag like Time ...
... leaks out some grisly details like these ...
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Sivafae Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:38 AM
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13. Totally!
This really scares me.
**Turns on Doris Day movie**
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:55 AM
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14. amputations were likely part of the torture pogrom.....
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 01:32 AM by diamond14

it's quite common, in torture prisons, to cut off body parts...




The defendants' dock and members of the defense counsel during the Doctors' Trial. Nuremberg, Germany, December 9, 1946-August 20, 1947.
__________
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum


From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrueck concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability.




http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/index.html


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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:45 AM
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15. THE NUREMBERG CODE October 1946–April 1949
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 01:46 AM by NIGHT TRIPPER
THE NUREMBERG CODE from Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10. Nuremberg, October 1946–April 1949. Washington, D.C.: U.S. G.P.O, 1949–1953.




Permissible Medical Experiments
The great weight of the evidence before us is to the effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probably cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

Of the ten principles which have been enumerated our judicial concern, of course, is with those requirements which are purely legal in nature — or which at least are so clearly related to matters legal that they assist us in determining criminal culpability and punishment. To go beyond that point would lead us into a field that would be beyond our sphere of competence. However, the point need not be labored. We find from the evidence that in the medical experiments which have been proved, these ten principles were much more frequently honored in their breach than in their observance. Many of the concentration camp inmates who were the victims of these atrocities were citizens of countries other than the German Reich. They were non-German nationals, including Jews and "asocial persons", both prisoners of war and civilians, who had been imprisoned and forced to submit to these tortures and barbarities without so much as a semblance of trial. In every single instance appearing in the record, subjects were used who did not consent to the experiments; indeed, as to some of the experiments, it is not even contended by the defendants that the subjects occupied the status of volunteers. In no case was the experimental subject at liberty of his own free choice to withdraw from any experiment. In many cases experiments were performed by unqualified persons; were conducted at random for no adequate scientific reason, and under revolting physical conditions. All of the experiments were conducted with unnecessary suffering and injury and but very little, if any, precautions were taken to protect or safeguard the human subjects from the possibilities of injury, disability, or death. In every one of the experiments the subjects experienced extreme pain or torture, and in most of them they suffered permanent injury, mutilation, or death, either as a direct result of the experiments or because of lack of adequate follow-up care.

Obviously all of these experiments involving brutalities, tortures, disabling injury, and death were performed in complete disregard of international conventions, the laws and customs of war, the general principles of criminal law as derived from the criminal laws of all civilized nations, and Control Council Law No. 10. Manifestly human experiments under such conditions are contrary to "the principles of the law of nations as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity, and from the dictates of public conscience."

Whether any of the defendants in the dock are guilty of these atrocities is, of course, another question.

Under the Anglo-Saxon system of jurisprudence every defendant in a criminal case is presumed to be innocent of an offense charged until the prosecution, by competent, credible proof, has shown his guilt to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. And this presumption abides with the defendant through each stage of his trial until such degree of proof has been adduced. A "reasonable doubt" as the name implies is one conformable to reason — a doubt which a reasonable man would entertain. Stated differently, it is that state of a case which, after a full and complete comparison and consideration of all the evidence, would leave an unbiased, unprejudiced, reflective person, charged with the responsibility for decision, in the state of mind that he could not say that he felt an abiding conviction amounting to a moral certainty of the truth of the charge.

If any of the defendants are to be found guilty under counts two or three of the indictment it must be because the evidence has shown beyond a reasonable doubt that such defendant, without regard to nationality or the capacity in which he acted, participated as a principal in, accessory to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, or was connected with plans or enterprises involving the commission of at least some of the medical experiments and other atrocities which are the subject matter of these counts. Under no other circumstances may he be convicted.

Before examining the evidence to which we must look in order to determine individual culpability, a brief statement concerning some of the official agencies of the German Government and Nazi Party which will be referred to in this judgment seems desirable.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:50 AM
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16. This is the face of US healthcare under the * administration....
...no need to waste valuable medical care resources on the lower caste, don't you know ?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:56 AM
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17. Let's make sure Smirk and Cheney gets this kind of medical attention.
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 02:00 AM by TahitiNut
If it's good enough for the people of a nation whose 'freedom' is so important to us, it's good enough for them.

By the way ... just where did the U.S. troops go for medical attention if there weren't any doctors there?? No doctors? BULLSHIT!!
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 03:01 AM
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18. and bush* sent the Navy Medical Ship back to the USA, about April 2003

it was just before bush* did his aircraft carrier PHOTO-OP....I was HORRIFIED that he would bring the big medical ship back here, when there were SO MANY IRAQIS badly in need of medical care....


that was also when bush* decided that Iraqis would NOT be treated by American Medical Personnel or at American Hospital Facilities in Iraq or elsewhere...and TWO separate and unequal medical care systems evolved...ONE with really great medical care for Americans, and another, that's horrifying, contaminated, underfunded, lacking-all-reasonable-equipment-and-medications for Iraqis....only a few cases of children (like Ali, whose arms were blown off and family killed) were taken out for PHOTO-OPS and to prove how 'compassionate' bush* is for the Main-Stream-Media....the reality of the Iraqi medical system is sheer horror...ghastly...and bush* has essentially failed to deliver any medications or equipment or supplies to the Iraqis...bush* is exterminating the Iraqis....


shocking in 2003, and continuing through to the present....war crimes...


hospital care for Iraqis...no life-saving equipment, minimal medications and supplies, NO infection control....horrifying, ghastly and bush* is responsible for this....
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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19. Kick
:kick:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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20. The Abu Ghraib Scandal You Don't Know
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1025139,00.html

Medical care was at times so scarce and shabby that it became another kind of abuse. An inside look

Monday, Feb. 14, 2005


American soldiers often have a tough time with Arabic names, so to guards, he was just "Gus.'' To the world outside Abu Ghraib prison, he became an iconic figure, a naked, prostrate Iraqi prisoner crawling on the end of a leash held by Private Lynndie England, the pixyish Army Reserve clerk who posed in several of the infamous photographs that made the name Abu Ghraib synonymous with torture. Now, it emerges, there may be another dimension to Gus' story and certainly to the horrors of Abu Ghraib. In what amounted to a perversion of the traditional doctor's creed of "first, do no harm," the medical system at the prison became an instrument of abuse, by design and by neglect. As uncovered by legal scholars M. Gregg Bloche and Jonathan Marks, who conducted an inquiry published by the New England Journal of Medicine, not only were some military doctors at Abu Ghraib enlisted to help inflict distress on the prisoners, but also the scarcity of basic medical care was at times so severe that it created another kind of torture.

Medical personnel and others who worked at the prison tell TIME that, with straitjackets unavailable, tethers--like the leash on Gus--were put to use at Abu Ghraib to control unruly or mentally disturbed detainees, sometimes with the concurrence of a doctor. That such a restraint-- which is supposed to be placed around legs, arms or torsos--ended up instead around a man's neck seems to be a case of a medically condoned practice degenerating into abuse. But there was also medical disarray at the prison: amputations performed by nondoctors, chest tubes recycled from the dead to the living, a medic ordered, by one account, to cover up a homicide. That in itself would have made Abu Ghraib a scandal even without the acts of torture inflicted on the inmates by their guards.

In most cases, U.S. frontline troops in Iraq have received top-quality medical care, producing the lowest death rate of any military conflict in history. But the care at Abu Ghraib has often been at the other end of the scale of humane treatment, at least until recently. Although the prison was at times crowded with as many as 7,000 detainees, no U.S. doctor was in residence for most of 2003. Military officials say a few Iraqi doctors saw to minor illnesses but not major traumas. In a statement obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union, an Army medic based at Abu Ghraib spoke of examining from 800 to 900 detainees daily as they were admitted. If he worked a 12-hour day, that gave him less than a minute for each exam. Ken Davis, an MP who served at Abu Ghraib in late 2003, told TIME that he once escorted a prisoner who had broken his foot the day before and had still not received treatment. "He was in terrible pain," Davis recalled. "There was no doctor and really nothing we could do."


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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1. How could America sink to a level below Christian dignity and rank?
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 08:53 AM by 0007



Is this the "Ice Man"


The "Ice Man," was first brought to the prison for interrogation by military intelligence. "They didn't check the detainee medically when he came in," says Auch. That may have been a mistake. The man expired under questioning in the middle of the night in an episode that has been officially ruled a homicide. According to statements made during an Army inquiry, military personnel ordered the body put on ice and then spirited it away after medics attached a fake IV to the dead man's arm in an apparent attempt to create the impression that he was still alive. Auch, who says he has not been questioned in the Army investigation, told TIME a medic confided in him that he was ordered by a military-intelligence officer to participate in the ruse and never to talk about it. The Pentagon refuses to comment while it continues to investigate the abuses.

The pentagon is like a thief investigating the thief.







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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:51 PM
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28. reTHUGlicans did this to OUR Country...with bush* as their leader


it's truly horrifying....and hardly anybody is STANDING UP to stop this....


guess they'll all WAIT to speak out, until the bushites come for them....and then, they'll be no one left to speak out....
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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21. Does anyone think that members of Congress..
didn't know about this?
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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24. Paging Senator/Dr. Frist.......... Come on down.
Hell yes they knew, or if they didn't, it was a three monkey scenario.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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22. one of the worst legacies of the Nazi era was the actions of doctors
in the concentration camps........I believe US govt guidelines for medical research were developed to prevent the kind of medical malpractice that the Nazi medical establishment pursued
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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23. From the last paragraph of the article.
"The number of detainees in U.S. custody is currently about 3,000. (The interim Iraqi government also houses prisoners there.) No date has been set, but the military would like to close the facility altogether, officially to avoid more insurgent attacks but, what's more, to wipe out the blot that is Abu Ghraib."


More likely to wipe out any evidence of the atrocities committed by our "hero's".
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 AM
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25. Jessica Lynch
snip>
But they all made a point of giving Lynch the best of everything, he added. Despite a scarcity of food, extra juice and cookie were scavenged for their American guest.

They also assigned to Lynch the hospital's most nurturing nurse, Khalida Shinah. At 43, Shinah has three daughters close to Lynch's age. She immediately embraced her foreign patient as one of her own.

"It was so scary for her," Shinah said through a translator. "Not only was she badly hurt, but she was in a strange country. I felt more like a mother than a nurse. I told her again and again, Allah would watch over her. And many nights I sang her to sleep."
...
"At first, Jessica was very frightened. Everybody was poking their head in the room to see her and she said `Do they want to hurt me?' I told her, `Of course not. They're just curious. They've never seen anyone like you before.'

"But after a few days, she began to relax. And she really bonded with Khalida. She told me, `I'm going to take her back to America with me."

Three days before the U.S. raid, Lynch had regained enough strength that the team was ready to proceed with orthopaedic surgery on her left leg. The procedure involved cutting through muscle to install a platinum plate to both ends of the compound fracture. "We only had three platinum plates left in our supply and at least 100 Iraqis were in need," Raazk said. "But we gave one to Jessica."

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/may2003/jessica_lynch.htm

The US commanders of Abu Ghraib should be in the Hague, according to these "quaint" documents...

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5?OpenDocument

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68?OpenDocument

It's almost like the Iraqis knew about the third Geneva Convention, Part 3, Article 16 and treated Jessica like a civilian...

Art. 16. The wounded and sick, as well as the infirm, and expectant mothers, shall be the object of particular protection and respect.
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:24 AM
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26. Topic nominated for homepage. n/t
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