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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:07 AM
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WP: Suspect's Death Evokes Hussein Era (Read: Same-old, Same-old)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38394-2005Apr8.html

TIKRIT, Iraq -- After the arrival of the Americans and the fall of Saddam Hussein, Hameed Rasheed Sultan and his family thought they had seen the last of the techniques favored by Iraq's old justice system: torture, disappearances and death-in-custody.

But in January Hameed's younger brother, Zawba, was arrested by Iraqi police officers at the family's home, and two days later he turned up dead at a local hospital. Pictures show he had been brutally beaten.

A senior Tikrit police official, Col. Jasim Hussein Jbara, said in an interview that Zawba died of low blood pressure shortly after he confessed to blowing up a car outside a shopping mall. There will be no investigation of his death, Jbara said. <snip>

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:11 AM
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1. past time to get our troops out of there!! --
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:37 AM
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2. Hussein era, Abu Ghraib era, whatever.
"...Hameed said his brother "was completely healthy" before his arrest. He said U.S. Army Capt. Michael Gruber, a liaison officer with the U.S.-Iraqi Army Joint Coordination Center in Tikrit, investigated the death and had an aide read Zawba's death report to him.

"It said there were signs of beating on the skull and torture by electricity," Hameed said. "There were also signs of beating in the chest and abdomen areas and internal damage to the kidney." ..."


Bad people who aren't discouraged from doing bad things are the same the world over. So we'll eventually leave this place, and nothing will have changed. Except hundreds of thousands of people will be dead, and for what? What a waste.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:45 AM
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3. this is being done on behalf of us. each of us. we are the people they
will blame. remember that. if we don't take action that has real results, bushco will continue to invade and invade and invade, and spread so much hatred for us that we won't be welcome anywhere in the world.

either we do something about it, by standing up and taking action, being heard, not shutting up until we get press, not shutting up until we see their poll numbers drop into the single digits, or we accept that this is the American way.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:39 AM
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8. Jesus would be happy
We are finally getting rid of the Towel Heads </sarcasm>
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:47 AM
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4. This is just going to be a never ending fiasco. The families of the dead
and imprisoned are never going to forget what happened. They won't forget the attacks, they won't forget the way we allowed their museums be looted while we guarded the oil ministry, they won't forget the way we damaged or destroys their mosques, they won't forget the way we destroyed their entire infrastructure i.e. water purification plants, electrical plants, whatever. They will never forget any of this. And they will harbor a grudge and yearn for vengence for generations.

Why do I think this? BECAUSE I WOULD!

These people have a history thousands of years older than ours. They've dealt with conquerors and occupation before. It didn't last then, it won't last now.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:13 AM
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5. words of der fuhrer
March 17, 2003

President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours
Remarks by the President in Address to the Nation


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html

excerpt:

Many Iraqis can hear me tonight in a translated radio broadcast, and I have a message for them. If we must begin a military campaign, it will be directed against the lawless men who rule your country and not against you. As our coalition takes away their power, we will deliver the food and medicine you need. We will tear down the apparatus of terror and we will help you to build a new Iraq that is prosperous and free. In a free Iraq, there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms. The tyrant will soon be gone. The day of your liberation is near.

<snip>

And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning. In any conflict, your fate will depend on your action. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted. War criminals will be punished. And it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders."

...more...

Bush Addresses Nation on Saddam Hussein Capture
"It marks the end of the road for him..."
The White House, Dec. 14, 2003

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/waronterror/a/bushonsaddam.htm

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Yesterday, December the 13th, at around 8:30 p.m. Baghdad time, United States military forces captured Saddam Hussein alive. He was found near a farmhouse outside the city of Tikrit, in a swift raid conducted without casualties. And now the former dictator of Iraq will face the justice he denied to millions.

The capture of this man was crucial to the rise of a free Iraq. It marks the end of the road for him, and for all who bullied and killed in his name. For the Baathist holdouts largely responsible for the current violence, there will be no return to the corrupt power and privilege they once held. For the vast majority of Iraqi citizens who wish to live as free men and women, this event brings further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever.

...more...

Bush Applauds Death of Hussein Brothers

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92714,00.html

excerpt:

"Yesterday in the city of Mosul, the careers of two to the regime's chief henchman came to an end. Saddam Hussein's sons were responsible for the torture, maiming and murder of countless Iraqis. Now more than ever, all Iraqis can know the former regime is gone and will not be coming back," Bush said in a Rose Garden speech. He was flanked by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Richard Myers and the U.S. administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer (search).

...more...

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:21 AM
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7. Thanks for refreshing our memories.
Bush and company are world class liars and hypocrites. They leave a trail of lies wherever they go, like slugs leaving a trail of slime.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:18 AM
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6. Democracy? nt
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