Car Bomb Kills Two U.S. Soldiers in Iraq (#1561 & #1562)

[bluestateguy]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An attack by a suicide car bomber near an American patrol in southern Baghdad killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded four, an official said Wednesday.

The explosion occurred in the Al-Amil area of the capital on Tuesday night, said Lt. Col. Clifford Kent, a spokesman for America's 3rd Infantry Division in Baghdad. Seven Iraqi civilians also were rushed to Al-Yarmouk Hospital with injuries, an official there said.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_car_bomb&cid=540&ncid=1480

[HardElection]

1. ...They died protecting the cause of freedom...

and some other bullshit the media spews out.

But seriously god bless these brave souls out there dying for an unknown reason I just wish they hadnt died in vain :patriot:

[Erika]

2. There is a war going on?

See www.icasualties.org The GOP pay no attention to the war and our military. They want them swept under the GOP rug.

[NYC]

3. Are you sure the number isn't higher than that?

?

[leftchick]

4. shhhh

of course it is higher than that. This is the pre-approved official Pentagon number. And we know they would never LIE! There have been numerous reports out of Germany and from Walter Reed here in the States that Centcom is being less than forthcoming about US losses. Surprised? I am not. :(

[saigon68]

6. "BRING EM ON" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE

"Hey Cheney, Hide those body bags"! he continued.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Numerous reports by you and your friends

THat is, by nobody in a position to know, and by a bunch of rumor-mongers.

You've suggested a lot, and proven absolutely nothing, ever, on this matter.

[stanwyck]

12. Try reading

The Pentagon Papers. Get an education. The numbers during Viet Nam were deliberately misleading. You should know this.
And you can't believe this would happen?

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. I've read the Pentagon Papers

And I wrote my senior thesis in history on the Vietnam War. The numbers provided to the media we're consistent and accurate throughout the war. Are you claiming that some number larger than 58,000+ Americans were killed during the Vietnam War? Cuz that's what the nightly and weekly casualty figures, as reported by the major networks, added up to. There was, of course, deliberate obfuscation relating to "enemy" and "civilian" casualties, but there was forthright assessment of US casualties throughout the war, and I challenge you to find anything in the Pentagon Papers that says otherwise.

Please feel free to cite directly from the document, since you're the expert.

Also, feel free to offer any actual evidence concerning this particular war that we're currently in. Y'know, evidence? It's useful.

[stanwyck]

15. I certainly will check

the stats on what the Pentagon reported and what Ellsberg found and released.
It's curious to me why you have such deep faith that the administration would accurately report our casualties. From where does that deep abiding allegiance spring? The accuracy of the hundreds of pages of sites of WMD? How many different commissions have to tell you "we were almost all wrong" before you realize this administration lies?
This is a serious matter to those of us who have family in Iraq. My son is a Marine on his second tour in Iraq. The chickenhawk blather of the rightwing zealots who couldn't be bothered to serve themselves, yet smugly strut like warriors, is beyond loathsome.
And the naivete who believe their every word like gospel is dangerous.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Please do check

And let me be very clear that I have absolutely no allegiance whatsoever to the pack of scoundrels who have designed this war based on lies, treachery, and deceipt. None. Zero. The Bush administration and its gaggle of cowardly chickenhawks are indeed loathsome as you say, and I'm glad you wouldn't suggest that I'm in league with them.

That said, I have seen no evidence that the adminsitration or the military is hiding the number of servicepeople killed in Iraq, or through their action in Iraq, dying in germany or stateside. None. These numbers are reported, and I have no reason to believe that they are higher than the reports state. has the number of wounded been under-reported (not in numbers of wounded, but in number and frequency of reports)? Yes. But as for wholesale fraud about the number of dead? I find that implausible. It would cost the adminsitation much more than it would benefit them.

[daleo]

18. A related item about reporting of deaths in wars.

Recently, the Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper, as they say) has been doing a retrospective of the last months of WWII, particularly as it was experienced by Canadians. This includes reports lifted directly from the newspaper archives. A couple weeks ago, the entry for mid-March 1945 mentioned something like 32,000 Canadian military deaths at that point. The actual figure for the war was about 48,000. So, somehow 16,000 soldiers died in the last month of the war. There was of course nowhere near that many deaths, even though the collapsing German army was putting up a pretty stiff resistance on the front where they faced the Canadians.

So, either the deaths were being downplayed by the government (and hence the media) or reporting/collating was extremely slow in catching up to events. It was probably a bit of both in this case. I imagine governments routinely downplay deaths in a variety of ways, and the U.S. government's reporting of deaths in this Iraq war is probably no exception.

[WillyT]

17. That's The Number They Give Us, But...

who the hell knows?



Link: http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html

:shrug:

[hadrons]

5. Charlie ('Devil Went Down To Georgia') Daniels says its going great ...

in Iraq and its just the 'liberul' media reporting otherwise at a NRA hootenanny

[DeaconBlues]

7. Nobody cares

I'm willing to bet not one televised news source will spend more than 7 seconds on this news. Instead, they will keep us wonderfully informed on why white smoke did or did not drift out of the Vatican. Got to love our corporate media!

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. The meat grinder keeps on grinding

Absolutely heartbreaking.

[expatriot]

10. The school I am subbing at just lost one a couple days ago.

He graduated in 2002, I tell you if every high school lost a recent grad we'd be out of their so fast. Americans think this war is senseless enough when its not personal, but when it becomes personal it becomes repulsive.

[dArKeR]

11. How do you know it was a "Suicide Bomber"? AP give no info, no witnesses

AP completely lies about many situations in Asia, this I know. Could this really have been an attack? A RPG. A parked vehicle with a trigger? I wonder if the lying whores, Bushies and Media are trying to make the rebels look like psychotic nuts and not an organized army fighting for the freedom of their country? When the truth might be somewhere in the middle.

I just can saw that there were reports of RPG attacks of about 50 a day for almost a year then for the last 4 months I haven't seen hardly any reports of RPGs. Everything now is a suicide bomber.

[Roland99]

13. "We have led, many have joined, and America and the world are safer."

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[RussBLib]

19. Attacks with no casualties go unreported

Saw this headline earlier today, and it makes sense. Now I can't find it. So much information out there.

On the topic of war dead/wounded, it would not be hard, in my opinion, since the dead/wounded are trickling out and returning home in small batches, that the official number could be far less than reality. How would we really know? Are all the military families in touch with each other to double-check and keep on top of all the fatalities and injuries as their loved ones return home? Is anyone in the media keeping a close eye on all the soldiers, the reports of attacks, the exact number of wounded and killed, and matching them up to the actual names?

We learned a long time ago that these bastards can't be trusted any further than you can spit.