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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:18 AM
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American Catholics Approve of Pope Benedict XVI
No Catholic I know feels this way. They asked only 284 "self-described Catholics"? All in Florida near where Jeb Bush let Terry Schiavo die, I imagine.
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An overwhelming majority of American Catholics approve of the selection of Pope Benedict XVI and predicts that he will defend the traditional policies and beliefs of a church that many members say is out of touch with their views, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The survey found that more than eight in 10 Catholics broadly supported the selection of former German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to replace Pope John Paul II.

Nearly as many, 73 percent, said they were "enthusiastic" about the new pontiff, though only one in four said they were strongly enthusiastic about the choice.

snip...

A total of 284 self-described Catholics were interviewed April 20-24 for this survey. Margin of sampling error for the results is plus or minus 6 percentage points.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042500202.html
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:26 AM
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1. A better title would be "American Catholics Don't Want To Trash
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 08:26 AM by Plaid Adder
The New Pope In Front Of Outsiders"

Here's a conversation between two American Catholics (myself and my partner) that took place soon after I learned that Ratzinger had been selected:

(Liza walks back into the office after taking a deposition all day.)
ME: RATZINGER!
LIZA: No way.
ME: Yes!
LIZA: NO. WAY.
ME: They announced it, it was all over the internet. He's Pope Benedict the XVI now.
LIZA: But I don't WANT to become an Episcopalian!

I guess for every 2 of us, there are 8 American Catholics out there buying beer with Ratzinger's face on it. I personally can't get over how much he looks like Chucky.

Ah well,

The Plaid Adder
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:45 AM
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4. That would be closer to the survey, too
"Half say they want the church to adhere to traditional values and policies, while almost exactly the same proportion believe the church must change its policies to reflect modern lifestyles and beliefs.

The Post-ABC poll found somewhat greater consensus among Catholics over whether the church currently is in step with their views. Slightly more than half, 52 percent, believe the Catholic Church is out of touch with American Catholics, while 44 percent disagree."

Headline what fulfills the stereotype you want presented, not the messy reality...
:eyes:
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:50 AM
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5. Or, "No sense complaining about a done deal, time to hope for the best".
Since he's there until he's dead, no sense complaining about anything before he does it.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:31 AM
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2. not any Catholics i know
n/t
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:39 AM
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3. This Catholic is appalled.
But, shockingly enough, I have come across DUers who defend this guy to the death- hell, one even still defends cardinal law. :shrug:

I love the traditions of my church, but I am sadly disappointed in the direction the hierarchy has chosen to lead it in.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:51 AM
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6. Unfortunately...
"God's Rottweiler" has given the most intolerant in the Church a shot of hubris; read these LTE's in today's Cincinnati Enquirer:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050424/EDIT03/504240340/1023
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:57 AM
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7. "An overwhelming majority" -- so misleading
Since when is 284 an "overwhelming majority" of American opinion on anything?
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:11 AM
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8. Damn liberal media...
They're always giving pretend mandates to the neocons.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272015
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:14 AM
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9. John Cornwell, eminent Vatican expert, on Papa Ratzi:
April 24, 2005
Sunday Times

Take Latin lessons and learn to live with a fundamentalist
The new pope chooses to speak the language of the pre-Vatican II church. Nervous liberals see it as a sign of things to come, says John Cornwell

SNIP:
The transition from progressive to conservative can be precisely dated. In 1968 he wrote in progressive vein: “Above the pope as an expression of the binding claim of church authority stands one’s own conscience, which has to be obeyed first of all, if need be, against the demands of church authority.” But a profound alteration took place in 1969 when student demonstrators in the theology department of Tübingen University accused the Catholic church and traditional theology of propping up capitalism.

“I knew what was at stake,” remembers Ratzinger. “Anyone who wanted to remain a progressive in this context had to give up his integrity.”

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Through the 1980s and 1990s, Ratzinger exercised his authority far and wide. He publicly disciplined Charles Curran, an American moral theologian who dissented from Catholic teaching on contraception. He took away the teaching licence of Matthew Fox, a Californian Dominican priest known for his work on creation spirituality. He disciplined Ivone Gebara, a Brazilian who advocated a blending of liberation theology with environmental issues.

He excommunicated Tissa Balasuriya, a Sri Lankan interested in how Christianity can be expressed through eastern concepts. He hounded Jacques Dupuis, a Jesuit professor working on Christianity’s connections with other religions.

He halted the activities of Raymond Hunthausen, Archbishop of Seattle, for his work with homosexuals and progressive political causes. He lambasted Bishop Dom Pedro Casaldaliga of Brazil for political activities.

He interfered with bishops’ conferences around the world, insisting on conformity to Vatican “norms”. He expanded the scope of infallibility to include the ban on female ordination. He confirmed the invalidity of ordinations in the Anglican church: meaning it was not a proper church. In 2000 he produced a document, ratified by John Paul II, which declared other religions “defective”.

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In 1995, Ratzinger forbade discussion of the possibility of female ordination since the issue had already been “set forth infallibly” by the Pope. Nicholas Lash, a world-class Catholic professor of theology, described this as a “quite scandalous abuse of power”.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1582117,0...

John Cornwell is the author of The Pope in Winter: The Dark Face of John Paul II’s Papacy, Penguin £7.99
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