Americans growing weary of Iraq war...

[Imagevision]

WASHINGTON, April 26: An opinion poll published on Tuesday shows a gradual decline in support for President George Bush, while the majority also believes that the United States has got bogged down in Iraq. The joint survey by the Washington Post and ABC News registered drops in key performance ratings for President Bush, growing pessimism about the economy and a precipitous decline in support for Mr Bush’s Social Security plan.

The survey also endorsed the views of some analysts and opinion makers who had predicted a decline in public support for the US involvement in Iraq.

Just over four in 10 — 42 per cent — endorsed the way President Bush is dealing with the situation in Iraq, a slight increase from the all-time low in March of 39 per cent. Almost six in 10 — 58 per cent — said the United States has gotten bogged down in Iraq, and 39 per cent said they are confident Iraq will have a stable, democratic government in a year.
http://www.dawn.com/2005/04/27/int7.htm

[bluestateguy]

1. Too late

They had their chance to do something about this in November and now the chickens are going to come home to roost in an awful way.

[bpilgrim]

2. if they could only imagine how our troops and the iraqis must feel

http://images.globalfreepress.com

peace

[chlamor]

5. bpilgrim

:toast:

Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear.

– General Douglas MacArthur

[yorkiemommie1]

8. thank you for that quote.

i am going to remember that.

peace.

[Hissyspit]

9. When did MacArthur say that? n/t

[chlamor]

14. May 15, 1951

I won't lionize MacArthur


"It is part of the general pattern of misguided
policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which
was bred in an artificually induced psychosis of war hysteria and
nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear."
-General Douglas MacArthur, Speech, May 15, 1951 -

"War paralyzes your courage and deadens the spirit of true manhood.
It degrades and stupefies with the sense that you are not responsible,
that 'tis not yours to think and reason why, but to do and die,'
like the hundred thousand others doomed like yourself.
War means blind obedience, unthinking stupidity, brutish callousness,
wanton destruction, and irresponsible murder."
- Alexander Berkman

They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting
to die for one's country.
But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying.
You will die like a dog for no good reason.
- Ernest Hemmingway -
The pioneers of a warless world
are the youth that refuse military service.
-Albert Einstein -



Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

[0007]

39. One of my favorite songs. I listen to it a lot in these times of insanity

I like the way Judy Collins does it.

[TahitiNut]

16. April 1953

"It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy, that our country is now geared to an arms industry which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear."

General MacArthur (talk before the American Society of Newspaper Editors in April 1953)
http://www.scholarisland.com/againstwar.htm

Other sites merely attribute it to a "Speech" on May 15, 1951

[renaissanceguy]

12. Hopefully our next president will be another FDR

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself."


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272015

[daleo]

19. Chimp version:

I have nothing to fear, but lack of fear itself.

[bpilgrim]

44. we must guard against... the military-industrial complex - Eisenhower

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." Eisenhower Farewell Address to the Nation 1/17/61

source...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm

What Did Eisenhower Mean When He Warned of a Military Industrial Complex? Take a Look at the Carlyle Group.

A BUZZFLASH INTERVIEW

With Dan Briody, Author of "The Iron Triangle: Inside the Secret World of the Carlyle Group"

They are at the epicenter of the military-industrial-complex-Bush-Cheney-crony-capitalism administration. The Carlyle Group is the model example of the nearly seamless connection between the Bush administration, self-enrichment and companies who receive big government defense contracts.

more...
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/06/23_briody.html

[JetCityLiberal]

33. If I haven't mentioned this before to you

I find globalfreepress.com to be one of the best sites on the web.

Those photos are horrifying pictures of the reality of this slimebag's oily war. b*sh and his despicable supporters don't care how our troops and the Iraqi's feel. They are not human to them...


JetCityLiberal

[bpilgrim]

41. thank you JetCityLiberal

please feel free to use and pass around :hi:

peace

[leftchick]

37. right on bpilgrim

like the Iraq war even affects the stupid idiots with their yellow ribbons on their cars next to w04 stickers?!?! PULEASE! They are not fucking weary, they just want to believe in their super-stud** (with cod piece) pretzeldent and watch more AmeriKan Idol!

murkins don't know fucking weary...





:grr: :banghead:

[bpilgrim]

43. the M$MW are traitors by not informing the American people

they have NO excuse.

they are very good at coming up with excuse for there consistent piss-poor performance but suck at taking responsibility.

i expect that from the chimp and the neoCONs but the M$MW are supposed to be better.

thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs :bounce:

peace

[liberalmike27]

3. Really?

Is that still going on? All I heard today was MJ, and them talking about the bit on Rhodes. You'd never know it was falling into civil war would you.

[northstar]

4. Americans growing weary of their leadership.....

...leading to nowhere.

[deadparrot]

6. How much of the public originally supported it?

Something like 70%, right?

[LynnTheDem]

11. Without a UN mandate, the majority of US did NOT support invading Iraq

And ONLY WITH a UN mandate and world support did 60% of Americans support invading Iraq...the LOWEST EVER recorded "support" for a US war.

And that's just FACT. :)

[Voltaire99]

18. Americans OVERWHELMINGLY approved invading Iraq

I'm not very comforted by that number, Lynn.

Consider these numbers:

1) On March 20, 2003, the day of the invasion, ABC News reported that 67% said the U.S. had "tried enough diplomacy" and a slightly lower number, 62%, agreed it was "right to attack now".
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/iraq_poll030321.html

2) Right after the invasion, 75% said they supported the war.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/17/iraq.poll

We shouldn't make much of the idea of getting another security council resolution. That was a separate issue batted around mainly by the Democratic Party, which wanted its usual fig leaf for imperial U.S. military action. Even if the issue had some traction, it was far too late. Both parties had already foolishly given Bush a blank check for war in October 2002... In fact, the relative unimportance of a UN "mandate" was attested to during last year's presidential campaign, when John Kerry shamefully said he'd have authorized the invasion even knowing there were no WMDs.

I point this out as one who has opposed, marched and written against the war from the start. We need to appreciate how large the appetite was for invasion, and how much the Democratic Party has contributed to this mess, if we are going to win the peace.

[Erika]

20. Prior to the invasion the majority of citizens

said they did not approve of going into Iraq without world approval. Where are you getting your revisions from?

[LynnTheDem]

25. Getting it from the MSM propaganda-spun headlines

Instead of listing the percentages in proper order...

1.If UN keeps saying no, then ONLY A MINORITY would support an invasion

2. If UN says ok to the invasion, THEN A MAJORITY would support an invasion

...the US State media simply chose to headline "US Majority Support Invasion", and within the article way down at the bottom add that this "majority support" was only if bush went for a 2nd UN vote and only if the UN approved the 2nd vote for invasion...and some didn't even bother to include that.

When one looks at the poll INTERNALS, then one clearly sees the FACTS; the majority of Americans DID NOT SUPPORT the invasion of Iraq without UN and world approval and support.

Why do some people think we call the US State Media as having blood on their hands???

[LynnTheDem]

21. Not correct. That was MSM bullshit spin.

Read the actual backup figures; without UN support the majority of Americans OPPOSED invading Iraq.

For example, look at the headline of this report, a poll dated March 16, 2003, and then compare to what the report actually says...

Headline:

Poll: Most back war, but want U.N. support

But what the report actually says is most back war ONLY IF THE UN SUPPORTS THE INVASION.

If the UN didn't support the invasion then ONLY 47%, a MINORITY would support the invasion.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-16-poll-iraq_x.htm

But instead of saying "A MINORITY SUPPORT INVASION WITHOUT UN SUPPORT" as their headline, the MSM used the "most Americans support" and oh-so-conveniently left off the wee fatc that "most" was ONLY IF CERTAIN THINGS WERE TO HAPPEN...none of which did happen.

Old propaganda trick.

[Erika]

24. Absolutely true. n/t

[LynnTheDem]

28. Bunch of links; majority of Americans opposed invasion of Iraq w/out UN

Deception and Public Opinion Polling

...Because major polls before the invasion consistently showed at least two-thirds of Americans opposed to attacking Iraq without UN approval...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Deception_Polling.html

Before the war began polls showed that most Americans opposed the US going to war without the support of the UN.
http://www.teachablemoment.org/high/roadtowareasier.html

Didn’t a large majority of Americans support the war before it began?

Absolutely not!

Prior to the March 19, 2003 start of the war only 45% of Central New Yorkers supported a war without United Nations approval, according to a Post-Standard poll (March 16, 2003). 39% opposed the war. The Post-Standard goes on to say that the local poll’s results were quite similar to national Zogby polls taken earlier in March.
http://www.peacecouncil.net/pnl/03/720/720_FAQ.htm

Poll: Majority of Americans oppose unilateral action against Iraq
http://www.lossless-audio.com/usa/index0.php?page=1500376154.htm

...polls show that the majority of Americans oppose a unilateral war without UN approval...
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/0313-NoWar.html

I wonder if this US State Media fraud will ever be fully exposed to the American public? Doubt it. But I sure as hell am trying! :D

[Hissyspit]

7. We've "gotten bogged down" in Iraq? Boots On the Ground = B.O.G.

Remember ALL the national debate we had before the war about how this would happen? You don't? That's because there was barely any at all. If you brought it up or even mentioned the possiblity of a Vietnam-like situation, you were shouted down, accused of sedition, or worse.

Journalist Thomas Powers two days before the war on public radio's "Fresh Air":

"...so I figure we're gonna have a month of war, and then we're gonna have a month of indecision, and then we're gonna have a couple of months where everything looks pretty good. And then after that, things are gonna start going downhill, and it's gonna be trouble, and it's gonna be money and it'll take a generation to resolve it."

Remember how much he got interviewed by and his comments were reported by the major media? You don't? That's because he was wasn't and they weren't.

Maybe the Dixie Chicks were on to something?

[yorkiemommie1]

10. i was shouted down by people to whom i no longer speak

n/t

[Erika]

22. I can also remember yelling at a co-worker prior to our attack

on Iraq, that there was no reason for us to atack them. He replied he didn't want their bombs on his head within 45 minutes of the time they chose. Condi and Rummi did a good scare job assisted by Powell who is probably totally ashamed as to the way he was used.

[yorkiemommie1]

42. i'm waiting for powell to apologize

what does your co-worker say nowadays?

[Nite Owl]

13. So the left was right

and the right was wrong. We get to say we told you so but it doesn't feel good. I truly would rather that everything had just turned out ok and all the blood that was shed never happened.

[rodeodance]

15. "the United States has got bogged down in Iraq"--language is remin-

inist of the last years of the Vietnam war. If the press starts using this language frequantly-maybe there is chance, just maybe that things will start going our way (getting out)!!

[lebkuchen]

17. Then Condi isn't doing her job in preparing hearts and minds

If Americans liked Iraq, they're gonna love Iran.

[Erika]

23. Condi's job?

Oh, please. She got an oil tanker named after her.

[Erika]

26. We need to check on Iraq and Afghanistan

because the conservative press won't. I check www.icasualties.org each day and they also have an Afghanistan page/link. Very few talked today about the woman Iraqi government lawmaker who opened the door today and who was shot and killed. It made a few news outlets but not your Bushie outlets such as Fox/Bushco News. They are like Babs Bush, they don't want their beautiful minds to have to deal with such ugliness.

[LynnTheDem]

29. For Afghanistan here's cpl other links that'll keep you in the real know;

Iraq & Afghanistan war report
http://www.comw.org/warreport/

And a good newsfeed, here's both the Iraq & Afghanistan feeds, they both search worldwide media at some 20,000 sources every 5 minutes;

NewsNow Iraq
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Iraq

NewsNow Afghanistan
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Afghanistan

And the ICCC has a blog;
http://www.lunaville.com/Blogging/

[LynnTheDem]

30. Dble post

Sorry! :)

[Rainscents]

27. Someday... God will punish all who done wrong to people and all the

Bush and the Co will be punish by God. There's Karma... What comes around will go around. I truly believe, God has something in mind for the punishment. Karma do really happen and I had witness to many bad Karma done to bad people.

[chlamor]

31. nominated-one more?

'40'

[Theres-a]

32. ok

[CWebster]

34. Too bad they absolutely have little or no voice

representing them in Washington.

[Chico Man]

35. I want what those 39% are smoking (nt)

[Psephos]

36. In other news, dog bites man. n/t

[tallahasseedem]

38. Grown weary?

Oh well! They had their chance to throw his ass out of office six months ago. But hey, gays cant marry!

[Inland]

40. "Americans, Iraqis Becoming Dead and Maimed in Iraq war"

Now THERE'S a headline.