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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:01 PM
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Bush's Approval Ratings Stay Low (CBS/NYT 42% Approval)
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 07:13 PM by Pirate Smile
Bush's Approval Ratings Stay Low
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NEW YORK, June 16, 2005

Bad Poll Numbers For Bush

The President fares worst when it comes to opinion of his handling of Social Security. Despite Bush's months-long promotion of his plan for Social Security, only one in four Americans approves of the way he is handling the issue.

(CBS) President George W. Bush's job approval rating is now just 42 percent, and most Americans think he does not share their priorities.

Iraq and the economy -- not the President's signature issue of Social Security -- are most important to Americans, and Americans' assessments of both remain mixed, with support for the decision to send troops to Iraq matching its lowest percent ever.

Regarding Social Security, months of campaigning have not brought public acceptance of the personal accounts the President desires, nor resulted in increased confidence in his ability to make the right decisions about that program. In fact, many Americans claim they like Bush's plan less the more they hear about it.

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
President Bush's job approval rating has dropped this month to just 42 percent, while 51 percent disapprove. His current approval rating is near the low reached in May 2004, after news and photos from the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal were made public.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/16/opinion/polls/main702487.shtml

Bush shares your priorities for the country?

Yes 35 (34)
No 61 (61)

Congress shares your priorities for the country?

Yes 19 (20)
No 71 (68)

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:05 PM
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1. They were always low they just lied to us

Now they are probably in the 30's and they realize he is a sinking ship.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:54 PM
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23. I don't think they lied. The pre-election polls matched the exit polls
perfectly. There were just THAT many stupid people who fell right into their trap, and only now are realizing what they did.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:34 PM
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28. both of which showed Kerry significantly ahead.
The pre-election polls matched the exit polls

both of which showed Kerry significantly ahead.

Unfortunately, the Diebolded and ES&Sified polls gave it to ** again.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:14 PM
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31. I'm not disputing that the election was invalid. Just that the polls were
absolutely correct. I think that (aside from the one or two strictly neocon operated polilng firms) they are for the most part inherently scientific and accurate. They all come to within a couple percentage points of each other. So, unless it's a grand conspiracy of a 'Gotham' proportions or something, they're probably right.

(I had to throw the Gotham thing in there... saw Batman Begins last night... in IMAX. Damn that was fantastic. Did anyone else notice the subtle similarities?)
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:17 PM
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32. Merwin, then how in the holy hell did bush win? nt
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:19 PM
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34. I just said it! The polls were right. The election was fixed. Every
poll that was taken, aside from the insanely skewed final poll from Mitsofsky, was right on the money. TIA has done a lot of analysis that comes to the conclusion that the polling was correct, and that the exit polls match the pre-election polls as well.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:07 PM
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2. AHhahahahhahahahahaa!!!!!!!
Let's hope they continue to sink even lower than that!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:09 PM
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4. I'm waiting for them to hit the 30's.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:29 PM
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15. It'll never happen.
They'll have to break out everyone's favorite color-coded terror alert chart before that happens.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:08 PM
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3. This means low 30's. fox is claiming 50%.
Around my house it's zero or less.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:25 PM
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12. When they hit the 30's - Faux will claim huge leap 60%
InSanity Hannity will do a jig on his anchor desk-hysterical blindness goes bezerk
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:22 AM
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56. when * hits the 30's with the Corporate Media...watch out
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:11 PM
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5. I wonder if some of the folks with Chimp n' Cheney stickers
are not considering taking them off their SUVs. Suddenly there werern't as nigh as many as there were a while ago. I see a Chimp sticker on a car and believe the driver is an addled nitwit. I will feel vindicted when his support is officiallly in the 30s

Not all the American Sheeple can be counted on to stay brainwashed.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:15 PM
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7. An "addled nitwit" or far worse!
*
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:25 PM
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11. i'm saying far FAR worse.
In that case a Chimp'n'Cheney sticker is a warning label that the driver/owner of this vehicle is best avoided.

Its a natural warning like fire coral, or a rattlesnake rattle.

Where would the brown recluse be without its fiddle or the black widow be without its hour glass ? No slur meant to honest hard-working honest arachnids.

There can't be ignominy enough for Chimpy and his pals.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:29 PM
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16. Much more effective then even them wearing a sandwich sign declaring
"look out, half-wit asshole approaching!"
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:33 PM
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19. I'd settle for a sheet of paper taped to the back of his suit jacket
saying IMPEACH ME !! ,
Would love to see Chimpy go down and have to resign.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:27 PM
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13. cheney won't leave WH-he will cheney himself to his desk
in the Oval Office.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:29 PM
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14. Thats OK
lets just brick up the oval room with him inside. leave a slot for a food tray.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:41 PM
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29. I saw a blue-haired couple with one on their Cadillac
this week in Indy...first one I've seen in weeks.
Probably too feeble to remember it's there.



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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:11 PM
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6. Too bad it isn't eight months ago...
we're already stuck with him. :puke:
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:16 PM
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8. And what were Gov Davis' in California when they forced a recall?
:rofl: GOP idjiots.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:30 PM
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17. They were somewhere around 42% - 45%.
And Arnold's approval ratings are somewhere in that area right now.

REVOLUCION!!!!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:20 PM
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9. 40's, 30's who knows ...
how low they would be if the media and Gallup types weren't practically on the White House staff?

Personally, I think he's at mid-30's right now, but a sudden Terra Attack could shake things up. Ya think?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:24 PM
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10. Finally, some TRUTH IN THE #'S!!!
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:31 PM
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18. Congressional Repubs spinning out of control
Their numbers are sinking faster than Bush's. If only it were a year from now.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:45 PM
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20. Oooh, Breaking Through That 43% Floor!
Very serious bad news for Chimpy, especially w/ the Dems going full court press.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:46 PM
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21. Only a Major Sex Scandal Can Save Him Now
...
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:53 PM
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22. "The President's Problems--" This accompanies the poll numbers...
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 07:54 PM by deadparrot
(CBS) After his election victory, President Bush said he had earned political capital and he planned to spend it. But six months into his second term, that capital appears to be all but gone.

In a CBS News/New York Times poll out Thursday, more than half the public disapproves of the job he's doing. And it gets worse from there:

# Only 39 percent approve of his handling of the economy.
# Only 39 percent approve of his handling of foreign policy.
# Only 37 percent approve of his handling of the war in Iraq.
# Only 25 percent approve of his handling of Social Security.
# Only the campaign against terrorism gets the approval of more than half those questioned.

The biggest drop off is among Americans aged 30 to 44. In just the past month, his approval rating in that group has fallen 14 points.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/16/eveningnews/main702480.shtml
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togiak Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:07 PM
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24. I won't drop below mid-30's
because the core Republican base will support him no matter what. They would give him high approval marks even if there was video of him performing abortions all around the country.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:32 PM
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27. That's correct. They lack the moral courage to admit a mistake.
Just like their glorious leader.

Bush is a messiah to them. Just wrap your mind around that. I can't help but think we are screwed as a Nation because of these millions of fools.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:20 PM
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25. Boo Ya
At this rate he'll be in the 30's by the end of the year.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:24 PM
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26. Me thinks they're Going to Get a Whole Lot Lower after today!
Buck Fush!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:43 PM
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30. Those Polls are Brutal!!!
I think people in the Military are rebelling and taking their Mothers fathers Aunts Uncles cousins everybody with them

the voluntary army is dead!!!
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:19 PM
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33. Bee-atch!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:11 PM
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35. Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll (NYT)

and the headlines get more lovier :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/politics/17poll.html?hp&ex=1118980800&en=55e86c2c76bc4f4f&ei=5094&partner=homepage

June 17, 2005

Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll

By ROBIN TONER and MARJORIE CONNELLY

Increasingly pessimistic about Iraq and skeptical about President Bush's plan for Social Security, Americans are in a season of political discontent, giving Mr. Bush one of the lowest approval ratings of his presidency and even lower marks to Congress, according to the New York Times/CBS News Poll.

Forty-two percent of the people responding to the poll said they approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling his job, a marked decline from his 51 percent rating after of the November election, when he embarked on an ambitious second term agenda led by the overhaul of Social Security. Sixteen months before the midterm elections, Congress fared even worse in the survey, with the approval of just 33 percent of the respondents, and 19 percent saying Congress shared their priorities.

Despite months of presidential effort, the nationwide poll found the public is not rallying toward Mr. Bush's vision of a new Social Security that would allow younger workers to put part of their payroll taxes into private investment accounts. Two-thirds said they were uneasy about Mr. Bush's ability to make sound decisions on Social Security. Only 25 percent said they approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling Social Security, down slightly from what the poll found in March.

Moreover, 45 percent said the more they heard about the Bush plan, the less they liked it. The survey also found the public shared the growing skepticism in Washington about Mr. Bush's prospects for success on Social Security, with most saying they did not think Mr. Bush would succeed...........
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:11 PM
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36. bush may resort to a tumbler full of booze when he reads this.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:11 PM
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37. Drip, drip, drip.
I think the Dems will do great in 2006 and 2008!

:bounce:
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Blue Hen Buckeye Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:11 PM
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38. Wanted to post as new thread by will have to put here..
The arrogance of these people.
17 minutes ago

A Halliburton Co. unit will build a new $30 million detention facility and security fence at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States is holding about 520 foreign terrorism suspects, the Defense Department announced on Thursday.

The announcement comes the same week that Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld defended the jail after U.S. lawmakers said it had created an image problem for the United States.

Critics have decried the indefinite detention of Guantanamo detainees, whom the United States has denied rights accorded under the Geneva Conventions to prisoners of war. The prison was called "the gulag of our times" in a recent Amnesty International report.

An air-conditioned two-story prison, known as Detention Camp #6, will be built at Guantanamo to house 220 men. It will include exercise areas, medical and dental spaces as well as a security control room, the contract announcement said.

The contract announcement did not specify whether the new prison would also hold foreign terror suspects.

Under the deal with the Norfolk, Virginia-based U.S. Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic, the work is to be wrapped up by July 2006. It is part of a larger contract that could be worth up to $500 million if all options are exercised, the Defense Department said.

The project is to be carried out by Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root Services of Arlington, Virginia. It includes site work, heating ventilation and air conditioning, plumbing and electrical work, the Pentagon said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...

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katamaran Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:19 PM
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39. Come onnnnn 39!
Keep dropping....let it hit below 40...
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:06 AM
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40. Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll
Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll

By ROBIN TONER and MARJORIE CONNELLY
Published: June 17, 2005
Increasingly pessimistic about Iraq and skeptical about President Bush's plan for Social Security, Americans are in a season of political discontent, giving Mr. Bush one of the lowest approval ratings of his presidency and even lower marks to Congress, according to the New York Times/CBS News Poll.

Skip

Stephen Crowley/The New York Times
Representatives Walter B. Jones, left, Dennis J. Kucinich and Ron Paul introduced a resolution Thursday asking for goals on leaving Iraq.



Complete Results: The New York Times Poll

The President's Marks Are Low and Congress Fares Even Worse

Views of the President and Congress


"How the Poll Was Conducted (June 17, 2005) Forty-two percent of the people responding to the poll said they approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling his job, a marked decline from his 51 percent rating after of the November election, when he embarked on an ambitious second term agenda led by the overhaul of Social Security. Sixteen months before the midterm elections, Congress fared even worse in the survey, with the approval of just 33 percent of the respondents, and 19 percent saying Congress shared their priorities.

Despite months of presidential effort, the nationwide poll found the public is not rallying toward Mr. Bush's vision of a new Social Security that would allow younger workers to put part of their payroll taxes into private investment accounts. Two-thirds said they were uneasy about Mr. Bush's ability to make sound decisions on Social Security. Only 25 percent said they approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling Social Security, down slightly from what the poll found in March.

Moreover, 45 percent said the more they heard about the Bush plan, the less they liked it. The survey also found the public shared the growing skepticism in Washington about Mr. Bush's prospects for success on Social Security, with most saying they did not think Mr. Bush would succeed."

-- Snip --

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/politics/17poll.html?hp&ex=1119067200&en=b35244a559fdfab9&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:06 AM
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41. Tumble hard, you baster!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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42. NYT:"Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/politics/17poll.html?hp&ex=1119067200&en=b35244a559fdfab9&ei=5094&partner=homepage

"Forty-two percent of the people responding to the poll said they approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling his job..."

"Only 25 percent said they approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling Social Security, down slightly from what the poll found in March.
...
Moreover, 45 percent said the more they heard about the Bush plan, the less they liked it."

"Moreover, only 37 percent said they approved of Mr. Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq..."

"The sharpest drop in Congressional approval in recent months occurred among Republicans...to 40 percent. Some analysts suggest that <Republicans in> Congress is paying the price for months of intense partisan struggle over judicial nominations and the decision to intervene in the right-to-die case of Terri Schiavo."


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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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43. They're just about down to their beloved "base."
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dissent1977 Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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44. And even that beloved base is shrinking
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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51. uh oh,
I sense a manufactured terra episode coming up.
Things look bad - gotta call on the fear factor soon to bolster support.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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45. Typical republicans - get all the unpopular issues out after being elected
Mark my prediction. They will bring out some divisive wedge issue out before election. Immigrants, gays, Hollywood, moral values, trial lawyers...they will demonize some enemy to get people's simple minds off the real issues.

And the lapdog media will fall into place. It sucks, but they do it every time.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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48. Let's just try not to hand it to them, OK?
We can change things AFTER we get into office.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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46. Excellent news.
The Bush administration can say that these polls don't matter all they want, but I think they're a hell of a lot more worried than they're letting on -- including the Republicans in Congress. Democrats must exploit this weakness to the max.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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49. Why do you think, he will be talk to American people next week!
He knows, he is sorry ass!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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47. Looks like, people are starting to wake up!
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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50. Assh*le didn't mention SS once while he was campaigning...
for re-election except in private to his fat-cat supporters. Remember about a month before the election he was quoted as saying he was going to privatize SS (and he used the "privatize" word...not "personal accounts",) then he denied so vehemently ever mentioning the topic when his quote was made public.

Now he wants to force it down the throats of the people who voted for him because he "made 'Murika safer." Well, looks like those people are finally telling him what I've been saying for five years now:

Fuck you Bush, you lying bastard!


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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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53. And Republicans ridiculed Kerry when he said they'd go after SS
right after the election.

Of course, as liars, they would say that.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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52. i hope this stings!
but as for some of the other comments -- there are democrats who will give out ss to privatization.

keeping ss as it is will have to be an ENORMOUS grass roots effort.
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RalphReedsWreckedEm Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:07 AM
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54. Like he's gonna freakin' care....
This guy doesn't care about nothin' except raiding the US Treasury. Half the country simply does not exist in this mongoloid's simian brain. His poll numbers could fall to an approval level of 2 and he'd keep on keepin' on. That what despots do. They seize power by illegitimate means and then foist an evil agenda upon an unwilling majority.

We are witnessing it.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:18 AM
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55. Bingo!
If this administration has proven anything, it's that it doesn't give a shit about what the public wants or thinks. As far as the neocons are concerned, we're all just sheep to be herded and, if we don't follow Karl Rove's script closely enough, well, you can always rig an election to give yourself a "mandate."
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