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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:28 AM
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U.S. jets drop (9) 500 lb bombs in Iraq operation
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_dc;_ylt=Ao.cBnrQCqzpWfGwicDkPlmaK8MA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGVna3NhBHNlYwNzc3JlbA--

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. F-16 fighter planes dropped a series of 500 lb (220 kg) bombs on insurgent targets in western Iraq overnight as the U.S. military launched a heavy offensive against rebels near the Syrian border.

Nine of the powerful bombs were dropped, the U.S. military said, two of them targeting suspected rebel safe houses near the town of Qaim, an insurgent stronghold on the Euphrates river about 20 km (12 miles) east of Iraq's border with Syria.

Four more were aimed at rebels as they fired mortars and assault rifles at U.S. ground forces near Qaim, and a further three were used to hit suspected weapons caches in the area.

The air power was in support of Operation Spear, the third major offensive U.S. forces have launched in western Iraq in the past six weeks with the aim of crushing insurgent activity in the Euphrates valley which stretches northwest to Syria.

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:30 AM
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1. This is what the Iraqi people want?
they want us to completely DESTROY their country?

sorry, i'm not buying it.. this is turning into Nazi Bush's Operation Genocide.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:30 AM
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2. And the civilians all left just before the bombing. Right?
It's amazing all the insurgents that get killed and not civilians. What a war.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:32 AM
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3. There's no such thing as 'civilians'
They're just 'collateral damage'

:cry:
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:49 AM
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12. CNN actually claimed that a city of 60,000 was taken over by them
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 08:49 AM by thebigidea
uh huh. And how do they tell? Do they have INSURGENT printed across their foreheads in large, brightly-colored letters?

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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:06 AM
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16. And how do we take them over.....
from 30,000 feet...we sure as hell don't have the ground troop capability
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:51 AM
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23. Exactly right. You don't win an infantry war with bombs.
It is sad and tragic that our military is dropping bombs to kill guerilla fighters. The bombs only create more hatred for the US and place our soldiers in even greater danger. Bombs kill a lot of innocent people and for every innocent killed, the resistance gains new recruits.

If someone dropped a bomb on my town and killed one of my family or friends, I would dedicate my life to extracting revenge.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:52 AM
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32. You can't bomb a guy who has a shovel
When I was in Qua Viet (northern S Vietnam) we would cover areas carpet-bombed by 52s. The devastation was total and the VC would be using the craters as COVER, for God's sake. I still, to this day, marvel at the resilience of people to arial attack.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:19 AM
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33. Welcome to DU Tom
:toast:


It is indeed sad to see History repeating in Iraq. :(
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:33 AM
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4. We need to send our criminal leaders to the hague for trial.
I don't know how we are going to do that, I don't know what it is going to take or what the cost will be, but it is going to have to be done.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:54 AM
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13. US announces operation White Fish
The US Military Command announced Operation White Fish. "We are going to safely f*ck the people of Iraq from now on." said Col. ButtNutz. "The air campaign will allow US forces to keep their bigass SUVs and HumVees safely inside the prophylactic shelter of the green zone while penetrating deep inside the fertile triangle of Iraq that is squirming with insurgency."

More to come.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:56 AM
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25. Har!
Good one...that would make a great radio bit.
:D:thumbsup:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:36 AM
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5. Major offensive?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/01/sprj.irq.bush.speech/index.html





excerpt:

Bush, addressing the nation not from the White House but from the dramatic setting of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, announced: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." (Transcript)

Standing on the giant flight deck, with a banner reading "Mission Accomplished" overhead on the bridge, the commander-in-chief saluted the men and women of the U.S. military.

"Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free," was his message. "America is grateful for a job well done."

...more...
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:37 AM
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6. But * said that major combat operations were over.
Did he lie to us?

:sarcasm:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:37 AM
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7. When do the B-52s arrive?
Might just as well Carpet Bomb while we're so busy trying to do that Viet Nam thing all over again. Jesus Harold Christ!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:42 AM
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8. good thing "things are winding down"...roses should be all over
our soldiers any day -- according to Cheney
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:45 AM
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9. The country of Iraq just may be obliterated by
the time Shrub is through with it.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:47 AM
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11. I think the people of Fallujah....
would agree with that assessment
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:47 AM
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10. What happened to Operation White Sheild?
Is this another one or did they rename it? There have been so many Operations and things are still one big clusterfuc*.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:58 AM
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15. Has to be "white" shield, doesn't it?
This goes right to the heart of a line I once heard from George Carlin "we love to bomb other countries, especially if your country has a lot of brown people"
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:15 AM
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18. I believe "White Shield" is happening south of Baghdad...
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:08 AM
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17. Operation "White Flag" is the one I most want to see...
Bring the troops home NOW. Bring them home ALIVE.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:26 AM
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21. hows about operation 'white behind"?
As in 'here you take over now, we'll be white behind you, over there by the helicopters in the green zone with all of our stuff on them'.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:57 AM
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14. gotta burn up as much ordinance as possible
before impeachment puts the brakes on the gravy train
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:16 AM
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19. The Iraqi people, to say nothing of some people on DU, just don't
understand.

We only bomb them because we LOVE them.

Bomb Love is our way of bringing democracy and freedom to little people all over the world.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:24 AM
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20. edit: little people => "little brown people"
or the occasional slavic person, but mostly little brown people.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:41 AM
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22. Well, the foking nuts dropped 4 /500 lb bombs on Yuma, AZ....
for Cryst sake....holly chit. Maybe they wanted to get rid of the dark Mexicans of Yuma. They could have wiped Yuma off the map. This chit is getting dangerous.

This week, famous Sheriff Alpaio will have his civilian posse flying helicopters over our properties, looking for people who do not clean their swimming pools. Glad my pool is clear and not of that pebble-tech that makes the pool look as dark as an alligator pit. All we need is one of those helicopters to mal-function and fall on an innocent family, killing a few kids. Every day we look more and more like hitler-ism.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:54 AM
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24. SUSPECTED targets???
They're just shooting in the dark now - everything is a suspected safe house, suspected weapons cache.... Whatever happened to confirming what you're target is?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:58 AM
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How many children were killed by the United States today?
This is a question we should all be asking ourselves.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:28 AM
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27. It's the same question I ask each time, too, David_77
How many innocents were wounded, maimed or killed? How many people are grieving, trying to find their family members, trying to find their homes, their lives? :cry: :mad: :cry:

From now on, let's have the people of Iraq included in voicing their opinions in the Bush performance polls.

I highly doubt any of the Iraqi people have even heard of one of the most evil people on the face of this earth, Karl Rove.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:45 AM
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31. That was my first thought, too.
I'm willing to guess that more than a few little babies, toddlers, and young children had their limbs or heads blown off with these bombs. Any lurking "culture of lifers" out there who will defend this? :puke:
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:37 PM
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41. My first thought too. (n/t)
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:28 PM
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48. Depleted Uranium
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 02:34 PM by sattahipdeep
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6232

Depleted uranium is a very, very, very effective biological
weapon. This is the primary purpose for using it. Marion Falk
(a retired chemical physicist who built nuclear bombs for more
than 20 years at Lawrence Livermore lab), who is the
Manhattan Project scientist I work with, taught me pretty
much everything about radiation and particles and DU. He
said the purpose of weapons used by the military is not only
to injure and kill the enemy soldiers, but the purpose is to kill,
maim, and disease the civilian population because it reduces
the productivity of a country and pretty soon a lot of their
resources are going to be used for taking care of sick people.
They will have fewer and fewer healthy workers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1532911&mesg_id=1532911
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:45 PM
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49. One 10 year old boy though the US is fuzzy on the specifics...
and it is "unfortunate". fuckers! :banghead:

~snip~
It also said a child was killed during an "escalation of force" incident between a vehicle and an Army foot patrol in western Baghdad at about 9 p.m. Thursday. Iraqi police Sgt. Najim Abdullah the victim was a 10-year-old boy.

"We are aggressively investigating this unfortunate incident," said Sgt. 1st Class David Abrams, a spokesman for Task Force Baghdad. He could not confirm if there was an exchange of gunfire.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq;_ylt=ApmdlFj9l3JJymBX4Kelcohn.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NTMzazIyBHNlYwMxNjk2

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malachi Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:58 AM
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26. Seriously bad Karma. We, collectively, as nation are going to pay
a heavy price for these criminal acts committed by the fuckin' chimp and his band of shit heads.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:30 AM
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28. Operation Futility
Problem:
Some Iraqis hate us: They are called insurgents.
Some Iraqis just desperately want to get on with their lives: They are called collateral damage.
(Curiously, there are no citizens in democratic Iraq)

Solution: Drop big, really smart bombs that kill insurgents, but also convert collateral damage into insurgents.

So to win, you must kill insurgents at a rate faster than you create them. Clear-thinking pentagon planners will be working on this.

I still can't help but think this is a success from the neoCon junta's point of view. They got what they wanted: the forward bases, the contracts, the oil, total control domestically. If the transition to democracy had gone well, if the occupation had been short, none of these achievements would have been possible, so all of this "failure" was necessary.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:32 AM
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29. "... air strikes killed about 40 rebels near there on June 11."
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 10:33 AM by Whoa_Nelly
(Subject line from the article)

Wait a minute! I know I read an article, (which was ni doubt NOT MSM), stating that those air strikes killed many children and other innocents. If I recall correctly, the people in those neighborhoods that were bombed we very angry; Their homes, lives and families had been decimated without warning.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:41 PM
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43. I remember it too
It was like Falluja on a slightly smaller scale. Death and destruction all around.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:39 AM
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30. Suspected? How big a bomb do you drop when you KNOW they're there?
So, a "suspected" safe house gets clobbered with a 500 lb. bomb. What do you use on a house that you just sorta think might be one? A 250? What if you REALLY KNOW the baddies are there? Do you nuke 'em?

Lest we forget, this is right near Syria, too, the next revenge target.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:34 PM
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40. That's what bothers me the most.
It's right on the border.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:16 PM
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47. It is also believed to be the main hideout of Abu Musab al Zarqawi nt
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:30 PM
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34. U.S. jets drop 500 lb bombs in Iraq operation ("Operation Spear")
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. F-16 fighter planes dropped a series of 500 lb (220 kg) bombs on insurgent targets in western Iraq overnight as the U.S. military launched a heavy offensive against rebels near the Syrian border.

Nine of the powerful bombs were dropped, the U.S. military said, two of them targeting suspected rebel safe houses near the town of Qaim, an insurgent stronghold on the Euphrates river about 20 km (12 miles) east of Iraq's border with Syria.

Four more were aimed at rebels as they fired mortars and assault rifles at U.S. ground forces near Qaim, and a further three were used to hit suspected weapons caches in the area.

The air power was in support of Operation Spear, the third major offensive U.S. forces have launched in western Iraq in the past six weeks with the aim of crushing insurgent activity in the Euphrates valley which stretches northwest to Syria.


More at link:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8823316
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:30 PM
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35. Wasn't there another
offensive in that area? Maybe one even closer to the Syrian border?

This is high-stakes chicken going on here folks....
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:30 PM
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37. YES IT IS. And yes there was--around June 11?
I believe it's the same area. Apparently this one began this morning and is quite intense.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:04 PM
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44. "Matador"--note the name...
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:30 PM
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36. I'm sure glad the insurgents are in their 'last throws'...
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:30 PM
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38. That whole article is bold faced (literally) lie!
Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

See? It's all lies!:eyes:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:30 PM
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39. No wonder the boy king is doing an Iraq War PR tour...
touting democracy in Iraq "and elsewhere"...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:39 PM
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42. "suspected rebel safe houses"
Do they even give any background about their suspicions anymore? What evidence do they have? Aerial surveillance, informers, electronic signals? Or is it just based on gossip? Perhaps someone just throws a dart at a map.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:05 PM
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45. Most people don't even know this operation is going on.
It's major, but the "news" is so diluted...
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:07 PM
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46. Since late April, more than 1,000 Iraqis and 120 U.S. troops have died
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 02:08 PM by sattahipdeep
A CBS/New York Times poll released on Thursday said 60 percent of
Americans thought things were going badly for the United States in
Iraq. Fifty-one percent now think Washington should have stayed
out of Iraq.

The chief doctor at Qaim hospital, Hamdi al-Alusi, said six bodies
had been brought to the morgue on Friday, including one of a woman.
The identities of the five men were unclear.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/i_latestdetail.asp?id=28655



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