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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:12 AM
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Top Democratic senator urges consideration of Iraq pullout
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The senior Democrat on the US Senate Armed Services Committee said the United States should put withdrawal from Iraq on its political agenda, if ethnic and religious factions in the country fail to reach a genuine political settlement before the end of the year.

"The administration should tell Iraqis that if they do not reach a political settlement by year's end, we will consider a timetable for our withdrawal," Senator Carl Levin wrote in an article published in The Washington Post.

"Making that clear to them will insert a healthy dose of mind-focusing reality that is their best hope for defeating the insurgents and becoming a nation," he added.

The comment represents a shift in the position of most mainstream Democrats on Iraq. Members of the party's congressional delegation have thus far accused President George W. Bush and his administration of failing to come up with a viable strategy to win the war in Iraq, but stopped short of calling for a pullout timetable.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:17 AM
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1. Rush Holt has gone on the record with anIraq pullout starting 10/16
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:17 AM
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2. WE WON THE FUCKING WAR!
George's agenda was "regime change". It has changed.
Job finished. Come Home.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:17 AM
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3. Carl needs a dose of "mind-focusing reality " himself!
the insurgents won't be defeated, the Iraqis won't recognize any patched up constitution, The US occupiers are causing the insurgency by being there, etc.

The Time to withdraw our troops is NOW. Today! No more waiting for bullshit reasons that will never happen.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:47 AM
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4. No more illusions...
No More Illusions

Americans used to dream of building a strong, unified, pluralistic Iraq. Now the possibilities are a very loose federation, or violent disintegration.

By Scott Johnson, Babak Dehghanpisheh and Michael Hastings
Newsweek


Oct. 10, 2005 issue - For more than a decade, Abu Sajad's small convenience store was a fixture in Doura, an industrial neighborhood in south Baghdad. Customers came for friendly service and the ease of buying rice, tea or cigarettes a few blocks from home. Abu Sajad, a 44-year-old with salt-and-pepper hair, would even let regulars—Sunnis, Shiites or Christians—run up a tab. But not long ago, Abu Sajad was found in a pool of his own blood. Sunni insurgents had shot him 11 times with an AK-47. Shortly afterward, his widow and four children left for Karbala, a Shiite town in the south. His brother, Abu Naseer, decided to move to Al Kurayat, a predominantly Shiite neighborhood in eastern Baghdad. The Doura shop was closed, another debris-strewn relic of an Iraq that may no longer exist. "I have no reason or explanation why he was killed except that he was Shiite," says his brother.

Across the country many Iraqis have begun to fear the worst: that their society is breaking apart from within. "The vast majority of the population is resisting calls to take up arms against other ethnic and religious groups," said a senior Bush administration official whose portfolio includes Iraq but who is not authorized to speak on the record. Yet he also said there "is a settling of accounts and a splitting apart of communities that did business together." Sunni insurgents, trying to prevent political dominance by the Shiite majority, are killing them in great numbers. Shiite militia and death squads are resisting. Now many ordinary citizens who are caught in the middle aren't waiting to become victims. They're moving to safer areas, creating trickles of internal refugees. "There is an undeclared civil war," Hussein Ali Kamal, head of intelligence at the Ministry of Interior, told NEWSWEEK.

The outcome of these conflicts—and Iraq's future as a unified state—may well be riding on a critical nationwide vote planned for next week. Iraqis will decide, in a U.S.-orchestrated referendum on Oct. 15, whether to accept a permanent constitution drafted by the transitional National Assembly. Yet many worry that even if the constitution passes as Washington hopes, it will only worsen the disintegration underway. Key provisions allow for separate regions to control water and new oil wells, dictate tax policy and oversee "internal security forces"—to become autonomous, in effect. A confidential United Nations report, dated Sept. 15 and obtained by NEWSWEEK, cautions that the new constitution is a "model for the territorial division of the State." And in congressional testimony last week, Gen. George Casey, commander of Coalition forces in Iraq, said the U.S. occupation may have to continue longer be—cause the draft constitution "didn't come out as the national compact that we thought it was going to be."

Others say Iraq can exist, even thrive, under such a loose federalist system. What is not in dispute is that at the most basic level—of neighborhoods and communities—the tissue of Iraqi society is already rupturing. It's not just Shia who are displacing themselves to be among their own kind, though they are the main victims of the Sunni-led insurgents. Many Sunnis, terrified of death squads and Shia-dominated police who look the other way, are fleeing Shia areas even if they don't support the insurgency. Dozens of Sunni families left Basra in the past year, fearing attacks from Shiite militias that dominate that southern city. "For a Sunni family like mine that was swimming in a lagoon of Shiites, it was almost impossible to continue living in Basra," said one refugee, Abu Mishal. Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish member of the National Assembly, concurs: "We never had this even under Saddam... This is very dangerous." ...>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9558294/site/newsweek/


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:43 AM
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6. past time to let them fight their own civil wars.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:50 PM
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7. I just don't understand this mindset.
Killing people because Mohammad had an uncle or didn't have an uncle.
I know religion is very important to some people. But if they can't allow someone else to have their own viewpoint, then what? Kill everyone who disagrees?

Is it really about RELIGION?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:54 AM
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5. setting timetables to set timetables....
too bad our elections aren't sooner...that seems
to focus our reps like nothing else.
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