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lady raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:35 PM
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Bush Escalates Bitter Iraq War Debate
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 10:36 PM by HereKittyKitty
ELMENDORF AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska - President Bush escalated the bitter debate over the Iraq war on Monday, hurling back at Democratic critics the worries they once expressed that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat to the world.

"They spoke the truth then and they're speaking politics now," Bush charged.

Bush went on the attack after Democrats accused the president of manipulating and withholding some pre-war intelligence and misleading Americans about the rationale for war.

"Some Democrats who voted to authorize the use of force are now rewriting the past," Bush said. "They're playing politics with this issue and they are sending mixed signals to our troops and the enemy. That is irresponsible." <...>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051115/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_asia_29;_ylt=AvvJ9tY.ivGQ3uIT0kzgXG1qP0AC;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:36 PM
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1. He is SUCH a slimeball - I can't wait till he's impeached. n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:36 PM
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2. The more he keeps beeeoatchin about it the more it is in the news.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:38 PM
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42. Exactly, xultar!
:rofl:

Whoever came up with this idea should have his or her head examined.

:rofl:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:37 PM
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3. guess he feels safe with the continent between him and DC these days--
cannot wait to hear what the little coward has to say when he is in china (do we think the earthquake in japan was, perhaps, a gentle hint that Mother Nature is PO'd?)
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:38 PM
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4. Nope, he's on the defensive here.
Note that this new rhetoric of "rewriting the past" comes only after about 3 BAD months for Commander Clusterfuck.

As for: "They spoke the truth then and they're speaking politics now." This is coming from a man who lied then and is still lying today.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:24 AM
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37. Exactly!
"I lied, and you believed me. This is all your fault!"

What an imbecile. This is only putting the whole debacle front and center, exactly what he doesn't want.

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lady raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:39 PM
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5. Sorry about the link. I tried several different pastes.
What I want to know is who is going to call him on this shit? We are sitting by and letting him get away with this mudslinging.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 06:30 AM
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28. it works
it just does not look pretty. All you need to do is delete the crap after the ;_ in the tag line to clean it up.

I regard to the LIAR in chief's remarks? I certainly hope the Democrats he disparaged show up on the Senate steps for a press conference today and call him on this bullshit!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:40 PM
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6. this is why dems who voted for the IWR cut their own throats....
They all made statements and mailed letters to their consitutents justifying what they'd done by parroting the Bush admin lies. Bush is right. They joined in the chorus of lies to cover their own asses. History will remember them for that.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:43 PM
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8. Yep, this is the problem. To varying degrees, they're all

covered in shit.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:48 PM
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11. agreed. why didn't the dems see what so many of us saw from the beginning
we sniffed through the bs and knew this war was a lie. so, they too, must be held partly accountable. I want to elect strong dems who are willing to stand for the people, not shift with the wind.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:11 PM
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16. some did see through it-- don't forget all the dems that voted AGAINST...
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 11:11 PM by mike_c
...the IWR. They tend to be lost in this debate, which I think is a real shame-- not just because they did the right thing while their colleagues were licking Bush's jackboots, but because their actions give the lie to the lame justifications put forth by those now trying to parse history and cover their tracks.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:48 PM
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44. dontcha know...
it wasn't really a war resolution...

It was a resolution to protect America, and to support baseball, mom and apple pie...

It was in no way an authorization to use force at all...

:eyes:

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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:51 PM
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13. We told them not to trust them one bit....Dems didn't listen...
How many times over and over, we wrote here that the democrats should not trust bush/cheney/rove for one minute. They have the power of turning whatever they do wrong on others. Democrats did not listen.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:18 AM
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26. These quislings have cut our national throat, too.
By failing to think critically and act courageously, they condemned us to squander our future on a futile, costly war.

These quislings are every bit as much to blame as Bush. And because they were to have been the putative opposition, they rate even lower: collaborators.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:46 AM
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39. they digusted me then and they still disgust me
:puke:
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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:41 PM
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7. i can't believe we have 3 more years of this crap
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:44 AM
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31. And some people think the best we have to offer in 2008 is JK or Hillary?
If so, we really are doomed.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:46 PM
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what a dummy! why would you pick a fight about this when you're to blame?
once again goes to show his hubris, arrogance, and sheer ignorance. Iraq, as I've always predicted, will sink him and cause him to be remembered as the worst president ever.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:46 PM
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9. Aint my problem, buck doesn't stop with me....
Blame those stupid democrats, they gave me the power for war. Mr. little bush, you are a man with lots of power but no leadership, that's why you blame like the small child that you are.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:58 PM
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15. You're right. Even though I fault the Dems who supported

his lie-based bloodbath, it is the height of arrogance to blame them for the mess he created - how used they must feel - how used they SHOULD feel.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:47 PM
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10. ROVE is back and coming out blasting..........Thank you Fitz!!!
Pisses me off royally!!!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:02 AM
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34. Yeah...Fitz is doing exactly what you say just to....
...personally piss YOU off. Didn't you get the memo?

Some of you folks have absolutely no patience...why is that? This case is bigger than Watergate, why shouldn't it take longer for Fitz to do due diligence than it did for the Watergate proceedings to conclude?

"Rove is back"? Right...and using every bit of that rope Fitz gave Rove to hang himself.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:49 PM
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12. War President Looking for a Fight-Attack his own people
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:57 PM
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14. Heh. Rove figures Bush has nothing to lose so it's macho man time
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 10:57 PM by yellowcanine
again. But he can still lose another 5-10 points of approval rating. He probably can't go below 25% unless he gets drunk, gropes Condi in public and passes out on the White House lawn.
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:15 PM
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17. 1984!!!
Oh no... oh no... They are really going to try it.

They're really going to try it!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:15 PM
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18. Did those bad Democrats force Bush to go to war?
He doesn't seem as keen on the mantle of war president as he used to be.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:18 PM
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20. I wonder if the Dems who
voted for the IWR could in their wildest dreams imagine bush blaming them for a War Gone BAD?
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maddogesq Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:33 PM
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21. But wait, Apollo 13 was Clinton's fault.
That's sarcasm, but it's what we have been invaded by over the last 20 years. When America wakes the fark up and realizes that all the GOOPER mouth machine has is the blame game, then America will truly drop this idiot's poll numbers into the porcelain recepticle and give him the big impeachment flush.

As for Dems voting for IWR, it really doesn't matter now. Not that I condone it or anthing. I am just saying that these folks know tha crap rolls down hill from the butt crack that produced it.


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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:14 AM
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22. It doesn't surprise me
I wasn't happy that the congress voted for the IWR either. Still, Bush used to be proud of his little war, and how he was the mighty war president. Now he seems reluctant to own up to it.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 06:31 AM
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29. he is the "democrats made me go to war" prezdent
:puke:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:18 PM
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19. He's digging his own hole every time he opens his piehole
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:19 AM
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23. We must be getting closer to the truth , Thats why the outburst. (nt)
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:23 AM
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24. Elmendorf Air Force Base...could he speak anywhere that the audience
was not either under orders to behave or hand picked by his staff?
Is Bushie afraid of America?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:28 AM
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25. It's so....Hitlerian!!!!!
Ranting and screaming in front of a rounded-up audience, forced to applaud on cue, or NO LIBERTY.

He's losing it. Let's hope the poor slob carrying the football left the briefcase key at home!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:48 AM
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32. No kidding.
How about a speech in front of, oh, *non-uniformed* folks for once?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:05 AM
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35. Most dictators are afraid of the people they "govern". Their paranoid....
...personalities require larger security systems/personnel, and the ability to speak publicly at protected locations.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:27 AM
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38. No, and yes.
I really do think he is afraid of what this country really thinks of him. That's why he doesn't want to step outside of his bubble.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 06:23 AM
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27. Idiot - he is just keeping the "debate" in the news
and the longer it is there - more folks, who really do have some memory of events (such as the "reasons" for the war vote (to force inspections, etc.), will peel away from his teetering support as believing in his "credibility" becomes harder and harder - even as they try to hold on to the 'believing.'

Keep speaking, W, it only hurts your cause, and will grow the discontent - not only with you and your "we do not torture... but cheney is lobbying to allow the cia to keep torturing"... admin, but discontent with your whole mouth-piece party.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 06:38 AM
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30. My answer to Bush
We don't want to rewrite history we just want to set it straight. We are not sending mixed signals to our troops we owe our troops the truth.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:55 AM
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33. He could get away with that intimidating crap when he had....
...strong support. Besides, everyone currently understands the tactics he uses to divide his opponents with carefully nuanced words and phrases.

He should say as little as possible under the current conditions, because his best days of illegally squatting in the White House are over.
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:18 AM
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36. There is nothing new
with *. He just recycles the same shit over and over. Mixed signals blah blah blah.... Are the idiot masses still buying it?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:14 AM
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40. Psssst...
I happen to have the TRUTH right here at my site http://www.takebackthemedia.com - a 2 DVD set Film with 150 minutes of RED MEAT - the entire Chronology of the Plame Outing and many parts of it are in THEIR OWN WORDS and ACTIONS..

No REWRITTING HERE, just the Plain old Truth. IT'S called "Rove's War" and it's all there, When, where, who why and HOW..

Got a pal in the Congress working to get this TOOL into the hands of Congress folks right now, where I have offered the film FREE to any COngressman or woman so they have the facts to THROW in Bush's face..

They fold up like a lawn chair when the truth hits them.

Tell your friends, the more people that have all the Facts, the better.

Screw Bush, with the TRUTH!
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:36 PM
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41. "I fed Democrats bullshit and they parroted it. So they're responsible too
Lesson for Democrats: FILIBUSTER everything the asshole proposes.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:15 PM
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43. "They spoke the truth then and they're speaking politics now,"
The 2002 National Intelligence Estimate was delivered to the Congress shortly before the IWR vote.

Almost all of it was whited out:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/

What was left, a few pages, was clearly the work of Cheney and the OSP:

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html

The Democrats did not have "the same intelligence". They got a few pages of PNAC propaganda. Yet this farcical document was presented as the sum total of all US intelligence gathering organizations. Complete with little airplanes to deliver anthrax to the US and nuclear missiles ready to fire "within months".
The Congress got an NIE full of lies, old news and distortions.


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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:56 PM
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45. The more arrogantly defensive he appears,
the more the press will cover the whole situation.

Keep it up, Chimp!
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