Europeans Outraged at Schwarzenegger

[Judi Lynn]

Europeans Outraged at Schwarzenegger

By VANESSA GERA
Associated Press Writer

December 13, 2005, 9:54 AM EST

VIENNA, Austria -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity."

Capital punishment is illegal throughout the European Union, and many Europeans consider state-sponsored executions to be barbaric. Those feelings were amplified in the case of Williams, due to the apparent remorse they believe the Crips gang co-founder showed by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs and violence.
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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-europe-williams-execution,0,4309893.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

[UrbScotty]

1. Thanks to us, they're not alone (nt)

[ET Awful]

2. Good. They SHOULD remove his name.

He should be ostracized.

[shantipriya]

5. Terminator

We should remove his name from the California Governorship!!!! by resoundly defeating him at the polls next election.It amazes me that he was elected in one of the most liberal states in the country!!!

[tularetom]

3. Well some Catholics were ready to

deny Communion to Kerry for being pro choice. In light of the Vatican's position are they prepared to do the same to Ahnuld?

[calico1]

4. Good. I hope they do remove his name. n/t

[Kiteflyer]

6. Williams didn't write those children's books...

...his co-author wrote them. They simply put his picture and name on the books to sell them.
The world is a better place without that murdering Williams!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Good grief. Seek help.

[Name removed]

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[Sequoia]

16. Oh really, and how is the WORLD SAFER?

Bush said the world was safer since he's been our lame duck president and we all know what a lie that is. But Tookie? Those LA cops are the best framers in the world. I know because I lived there and saw it everyday. Let me tell you, when we had the riots after the Rodney King verdit they were there on Florence in their "To protect and to serve" cars and just left. They wanted it to happen and the Chief, Daryl "All causual drug users should be taken out and shot" Gates was nowhere to be found. We all know you're a troller here anyway.

[fujiyama]

26. As far as

Tookie was in prison and would have remained there, probably for life (and he likely deserved it).

The problem though is, it's LIKELY...It's not absolutely known for certain and while I personally oppose the DP because of its capricous and arbitrary nature, it's absolutely unjustified without DNA evidence.

Note, that I don't say thaht should be the burden to lock someone up, but the only thing that really applies is that you can't reverse death.

[DerBeppo]

33. I guess that didn't work out too well

considering how very, very few actually sold.

[CountAllVotes]

7. Give the Church a break on this one please

My local parish issued a statement about 2 weeks ago and they said that Schwarzenegger "lacked the courage" to stop the executions. There is another one coming up soon, that of a Choctaw indian that is blind, old and on death row.

The Church asked the parishioners to write to Schwarzenegger and tell him to stop the executions and that killing someone is wrong, no matter what the crime might be.

It made me proud of my local parish for a change. I will say that much, although I rarely go anywhere near the place these days being I am so very disgusted by the horrific acts committed by some priests/monsignors (hopefully defrocked or soon to be defrocked) against our young people. There is no defense for the acts of these evil men. :(

:kick:

[Kiteflyer]

8. Why doesn't your church.....

.....speak out against the war in Iraq? They can create a fuss about abortion, and yet they remain silent about a war and hide and cover-up for molesting priests.

[CountAllVotes]

10. well they heard me

I'll have you know ...

At the end of the Mass when they say their prayers, the priest said to "Keep our troops safe". The following is normally said, "Lord hear our prayer." I yelled out "U.S. OUT OF IRAQ!!!!".

I got a few looks but no one said a word to me.

As far as the war, this particular parish has backed way down on the support of the Iraq war after the late Pope John Paul II's statement regarding "You go to Iraq you go without God!". The Catholic church is anti-war FYI whether they care to face that fact or not. I remind them and I irritate the hell out of them.

As I stated above, I am not really into the Catholic Church. I went for one reason - All Souls Day - the day to remember and pray for the dead in our families. That is the only reason I was there, believe me. Otherwise, I am for the most part quite distanced from the Church.

:kick:

[wordpix]

12. CountAll, I love it you shouted out, Get Out of Iraq! in church, thanks!

You have major balls (or fallopian tubes, as the case may be).

[CountAllVotes]

13. well I have neither balls nor fallopian tubes

due to health problems, but I am one hell of a damn fighter and the Church makes me very angry. I come for a long lineage of Catholic priests, monsignors, nuns, etc. and I am very pissed off at the present Church as we know it for allowing what has been going on and THEY KNOW IT and they also know who I am and what my relationship to the Church is.

I find them to be for the most part a very arrogant, greedy group of people. They do not honor the sick nor help those in need very much. There are far too many contributions that go to the Archdiocese. I never contribute to any of this.

I just stay ON THEIR ASSES because the Catholic Church seems to have forgotten what the religion is based on. It is a money based hierarchy IMO and I don't respect it one bit.

Still the same, I will continue to irritate the hell out of them for the rest of my life as a way of paying respect to my dead ancestors that were Catholics that honorably served the Church for many years.

As for myself, I believe in many ways and in many things. Some fit with the Church's philosophy, others do not. I don't particularly care as I know where God is and one need not look far to find God for God is in all living things and the Church teaches this! The Church angers me horribly, hence the reason I tend to stay away from them now. Sad really, but the molestations of the young people and all of the other crimes committed by their clergy are difficult if not impossible to forgive much less overlook.

So yes, I yelled out U.S. OUT OF IRAQ!!! as that was my prayer to God our Father, and I was ready to take what heat I might get for saying it. However, no one dared say a word to me. Had they said anything to me, they would have gotten an ear full, believe me on that one. :grr:

:kick:

[Sequoia]

17. Good for you!

[Bridget Burke]

15. The Church spoke out against the invasion of Iraq.

www.americancatholic.org/News/JustWar/Iraq/

The Church is also against Capital Punishment. www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Jan2002/Feature3.asp

And here's a statement on Social Justice. www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0300.asp

I support Choice, but the Church's Pro-Life policy is at least consistent in that it goes beyond abortion.

Child molestation is always wrong. And consensual relationships between adults and post-pubescents under the age of consent are also illegal. But the problem exists outside the Catholic Church.

www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

Let us hope that any parents whose child may have been molested will contact the secular authorities. That is the only way in which criminals can be taken off the street.

[hyphenate]

9. Good!

The more outrage at this around the world, the better. Just as Bush is despised anywhere outside of the US (and perhaps Saudi Arabia), Ahnold needs the same treatment. The more the world sees the US as a place of barbarians, the more we might get respite once we get rid of these assholes.

[flamingyouth]

18. kick

[Clara T]

19. Europeans Outraged at Schwarzenegger

Europeans Outraged at Schwarzenegger
AP - Tue Dec 13, 9:54 AM ET
VIENNA, Austria - California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown. At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity. "We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity."

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/death_penalty

[PDittie]

20. Americans Apathetic

Did the article mention that?

[melody]

21. Were you in California yesterday?

No one was apathetic.

[tocqueville]

22. what can you expect from the "terminator"

[Amonester]

23. x Termin Nation - eom

[roguevalley]

24. don't expect box office in OLD EUROPE, boy-o, when you crawl

back to what's left of your tawdry career.

[Oversea Visitor]

25. Da Boss say

KILL

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Funny story about Austria.

I was in Austria recently. Salzburg to be exact, doing the touristy thing. We ended up in this bar/club which appeared to be populated exclusively by 18 year old Austrians and lost tourists (us.)

Anyway, the DJ is playing awful American pop music. The theme from "The OC" comes on (this is actually a popular song in Europe at the moment.) Imagine this, at the point when the singer starts belting out "Californiaaaaaaa!" and the music swells: Two hundred drunken Austrian teenagers jumping up and down, screaming "KAHLEFORNIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH!! KAAAAAAAAHHHHLEEEEEFOOOOOOOOOOORRRNNAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!" at the top of their lungs.

We left after that.

[zwielicht]

32. that should teach those anti-americanism-theorists ;)

lol i live in austria and i can so imagine this situation.. i'm sorry that you chose the wrong place, you should have come to vienna! i don't think this could happen here so easily, i hope you didn't judge all of us based on that ;)

[pinniped]

28. The sad part is, even if Herr Gropenator wanted to grant clemency,...

he couldn't because his POS base would be in an uproar. No way in hell would his animal handlers let that happen.

This is at least the second time the Gropenator was faced with such a decision. Austria had already denounced him in the past.

[nofurylike]

29. "he couldn't"? poor coward, they mighta yelled at him, ah. eom

[nofurylike]

30. thank you for posting this, Judi Lynn. sorry i missed it then.

peace

[nofurylike]

31. they voted and his name is being removed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1992293

excerpt:
Graz deputy mayor Walter Ferk said:'It is not exactly admirable for us to be connected with the death penalty. Therefore, I am in favour of renaming the stadium.'


peace