Anti-war activists take Pelosi to task (SF Town Hall Meeting on Sat)

[fed-up]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/15/PELOSI.TMP

SAN FRANCISCO
Anti-war activists take Pelosi to task
Minority leader negotiates with lawmakers to her right
Erin McCormick, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, January 15, 2006

Her opposition to the Iraq war may have earned her a reputation as a radical lefty in Washington.

But when Democratic minority leader Nancy Pelosi came home to hold a town hall meeting in San Francisco on Saturday, she was greeted like a pro-establishment warmonger.

Dozens of heckling, sign-toting anti-war protesters tried to take center stage at the congresswomen's town hall forum on national security -- calling for an immediate de-funding of the Iraq war and impeachment proceedings against President George Bush....

...Yet, as she explained that she doesn't want to immediately cut funding for those troops already in Iraq, about 40 protesters marched to the front of the stage. They faced the crowd, waving peace signs and a pink banner saying "Nancy, stop funding the war."...

[Tom Joad]

1. I was there.

Her support for Murtha's plan was a pleasant surprise for us when she came out in support for it. Previously she had refused to support other anti-war resolutions, even at times voting to oppose them.

Still, her persistence in supporting funding for the war is disturbing, and not in tune with San Francisco, the people she represents. Also, she wants troops stationed "over the horizon" in the Middle East (Murtha's position as well) which, though better than having them occupy Iraq, still is a recipe for more animosity towards the US. She insists US troops need to stay there, in part, she says, to protect "US allies." (That was her reason

We don't need a modification of US policy in the Middle East, we need a complete change, 100%.
After decades of supporting occupation in parts of the middle east, war and brutal sanctions against Iraq, saber-rattling against other regimes, we need fundamental change. Another course leads us ever closer to real catastrophe.

[IndianaGreen]

2. What did she say about impeaching Bush?

People are dying in Iraq while Bush is violating our civil liberties. It is time to end this war and to terminate Bush's Presidency!

[Tom Joad]

16. She said "just wait until elections". 2008? Nope, not acceptable.

[Andromeda]

44. Sorry, but you're just going to have to wait until 2008.

Nothing is going to happen until then.

[Lasher]

47. I would hope she meant the 2006 elections.

Impeachment will never get off the ground with the repuke lapdogs in control. Don't you think she might have been talking about the possibility of Democrats taking control of Congress?

[maryallen]

53. To which "lapdogs" were you referring?

Republicans or Democrats?

[Lasher]

71. Check it out, I said, "repuke lapdogs"

I don't think Democrats are Dubya's lapdogs, they're just outnumbered. Consider the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, for example. Chairman Pat Roberts, as the most perfect example of a Bush lapdog that comes to mind right now, has whitewashed the administration's actions for these 5 long years. He's blocked all oversight of the administration's role in the runup to the invasion for Iraq, even though he had promised an investigation would occur after the 2004 election.

This is what the Senate shutdown was all about. As a result of that, repukes promised the investigation would move forward. But I've not noticed any significant progress at all so far.

I assure you, if we manage to regain control of the Senate this year, the current Vice-Chairman of the intelligence committee, Jay Rockefeller (D-of course), will move ahead aggressively.

This example is representative of the climate in Congress today. Dubya could attack the Pope in Times Square on national TV with a chain saw and the repukes would still not support impeachment. Their subservience has been a major factor in allowing this power-hungry cartel to take our nation to the sorry state we are in.

Congressional Democrats are not BFEE lapdogs. We just need to give them a chance by helping get out the vote this year to restore control of Congress to them.

[maryallen]

76. You obviously haven't been following Holy Joe's career ...

Or DiFi's: No filibuster for her. No sirree bobtail ...
Or Hillary's: Let those credit card holders "eat cake."
Or John Kerry: He, who would vote for the Iraq War again, and again, and again ...
And supports Dubya in warning the Iranians ...
And Rockefeller: Who sat on the NSA spying for a year.
Oh wait, he wrote a letter and sealed it away.
Now, I feel better (sarcasm).

With an "Opposition" Party like this, who needs two parties?

[Lasher]

84. I might know more about Lieberman's voting record than you do

maryallen,

Do you think Lieberman votes with the repukes more than any other Democrat? He doesn't, not by a long shot. Joe supports the war in Iraq, however, and I suppose his jewish ancestry must be the reason for that. IMO, if he is compelled to vote for American soldiers fighting Israel's wars for them, he should at least try to keep his mouth shut about it, out of respect for fellow Democrats. But this doesn't make him a lapdog. Check his lifetime voting record, and you will see what I say is true.

About Rockefeller's behavior as Vice Chairman of the Senate intelligence committee: He was furnished classified information that he could not share with anyone else. If he would have, he would have been prosecuted. At least he sent Darth Cheney a letter of protest, and used that more recently to expose Bush administration lies on the subject.

http://modernamerica.blogspot.com/2005/12/jay-exposes-administration-lies-about.html

Apparently you think this was not enough. In Jay's place, how would you have handled the NSA spying case differently?

When we enter into an alliance with others, we should realize that we're not going to always agree with everything our comrades do. But if your overall values are promoted by the relationship more than they would otherwise be, then the pact is a good one. This is how I view my lifelong support for the Democratic party.

You seem to be implying that things would not be different if Democrats were in control of Congress. If so, I don't think you really mean that.

[IndianaGreen]

52. Bush is a fledging dictator now, by 2008...

he will be President for Life.

[gulfcoastliberal]

60. Etiher that or they install John Ellis Bush, practically the same thing.

Then Neil, Marvin, Billy, etc

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

82. From the San Jose Mercury...

Posted on Sun, Jan. 15, 2006
Pelosi faces rowdy protest
By the Associated Press

Swarmed by anti-war protesters, Rep. Nancy Pelosi on Saturday called the invasion of Iraq ``a grotesque mistake'' but rejected calls for President Bush's impeachment.

Shouting to be heard above the boos and catcalls at a rowdy community forum in San Francisco, Pelosi -- the leader of Democrats in the House -- urged her constituents to instead channel their anger and energies into the 2006 midterm elections, when control of Congress will be at stake. ``I think we should solve this electorally,'' she said.

The two-hour town hall meeting illustrated the precarious position that Pelosi faces as representative of one of the country's most left-leaning cities and, at the same time, House leader of a party trying to bolster its image on defense and national security.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/13632364.htm

..so what I took away from this is "solve the problems in the 2006 elections, not by calling for Bush's impeachment."

Just my interpretation after reading the Mercury piece.

[jsamuel]

93. are you sure she didn't mean the 2006 elections?

[cantstandbush]

51. I'll say it again. The Dems and the "in-denial-Repubs" are misreading

the will and feelings of the public. They listen to too many TV talking heads, the MSM, and the polls.

The real people out here are fed up with this administration and they will back those who take courageous action against them. If the Dems will lead, they will be surprised at who will follow.

[maryallen]

54. You don't get it, do you?

The Congress doesn't care about the "will of the people."

It is the will of the corporations and the very rich that is of concern to them.

[cantstandbush]

80. Sorry, I was overtaken by a moment of passion. I do get it. n/t

[wordpix2]

81. staying on periphery to "protect US allies:" protect cheap oil supplies

is more like it

[ECH1969]

3. If the party gets rid of the DINOs pretending to be dems

we will be alot better off in the next election.

[neuvocat]

4. Agreed.

The Democratic Party had not been more effective until the DINO's and "moderates" were thrown out. The GOP gained more seats of course but at least the country got its opposition party back.

[arikara]

8. You're right...

an opposition party should actually oppose bad policy and decisions instead of enabling and keeping silent. Its always a treat whenever one of them breaks ranks and says or does something. They would get a "heckuva" lot more respect and votes if they actually opposed!

[shanti]

14. i hope she listens to that message too!

overall, i like nancy, but i wish she was more like barbara boxer, who is TERRIFIC.

[Jade Fox]

5. Great. The circular firing squad at work.....

Okay, Pelosi is far from perfect, BUT COULD WE DIRECT OUR ANGER AT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THEY DESTROY OUR COUNTRY???

Just asking.

[unapologetic.liberal]

7. The biggest obstacle we have to taking on Bush is the leadership

or should I say the lack of leadership in our own party. With the odd exception we are represented by corporate whores just like the Republicans. Can you think of anything they have opposed that Bush has done. Even Pelosi lines up with them and against us.

[mike_c]

11. welcome to DU, unapologetic.liberal....

:toast: I couldn't have said it better myself!

[EC]

13. I believe the Dems have opposed almost everything ** has wrought

but they have no power to make a difference and the press just Boo-hoos it as whining, so no one is paying attention including many Dems evidently.

[unapologetic.liberal]

15. Really I can't think of anything they have opposed.

[EC]

21. Medicare, Social Security, Tax Cuts, Bankruptcy law,

renewal of the Patriot Act, and on and on. Just because most of these things passed - don't mean they voted for them...watch C-Span, they are on night after night, on the floor of the house making sure their objections are a matter of record...that's about all they can do now...they fight and try to get some Republicans to break away and sometimes do. What is it you were looking for them to do?

On edit: Forgot, about Election Fraud with Conyers, not excepting the Ohio results, shutting down the Senate ...they can only do so much.

[maryallen]

56. You mean the Bankruptcy law that Hillary Clinton voted for?

And the original "Patriot" Act that so many Dems voted for?

Yeah, they've represented the hell out of the little people, haven't they?

It's broken. Our government is broken.

[EC]

83. She's DLC

I don't consider them Dems...so were the others that voted for it.

[Jade Fox]

18. The Republicans have learned the power of unity....

Sure, it's falling apart on them now, but it got them in power.

I agree with what you say about the lack of Democratic leadership. I just don't see how some half-assed protest of Pelosi is accomplishing that. We need to demand that the Democrats come up with an innovative and comprehensive agenda of their own, not beat them up for past acquiescence to the Bush administration. And no, simply calling for the withdrawal of the troops from Iraq does not qualify as a Democratic agenda (even Bush knows he's got to start ending this mess, but a response to the Republican one.

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[Jade Fox]

23. Lieberman and Pelosi: Not exactly the same.

Lieberman is doing his best to be the next Zell Miller, and I predict he'll lose in 2006. He's a moot point.

Your view is one of complete hopelessness. The Democrats are what we have, and we have to work with them or give up.

[unapologetic.liberal]

25. Given what we have for leadership in the Demo Party

and what they are going to try and foist on us, Clinton, hopelessness is a good way to put it.

[Jade Fox]

29. Adios, then.

[unapologetic.liberal]

31. Adios.

[donsu]

64. you've got to be tougher then our Dems in congress to post at DU

don't let posters drive you away. cause they will if you let them.

[unapologetic.liberal]

74. My policy with respect to the DLC is the same as their's is

toward people like me, zero tolerance.

[FlemingsGhost]

30. Welcome to DU, unapologetic.liberal

No need for you to go anywhere.

[Andromeda]

43. No, the biggest obstacle we have is...

numbers. We are outnumbered in both the House and the Senate. The Republicans control the agenda in the Congress. The Democrats control nothing.

The Democrats have no power and who are you talking about when you say Pelosi lines up against "us." Nancy Pelosi is doing her job the best she can under the circumstances.

Republicans are not going to impeach Bush. Period. That is your obstacle.

Direct your energies trying to get Democrats elected in the Senate and House this fall.

Maybe we can gain some more seats, thus, more power. Without more Democrats we'll have more of the same.

[zanne]

58. How to get people energized enough to actually vote?

I think that if the Dems stay quiet or speak up only when they feel it's "safe", they won't get people energized. True, the media likes to pounce on Dems who speak up, but they also criticize Dems who keep quiet and go along with Republicans. People like STRONG LEADERS. We need strong, outspoken Democrats to inspire the millions of people out there who are so discouraged about American politics they don't even bother to vote. We elected these leaders; let's hold them accountable.

[EC]

9. I agree

and I don't see Pelosi as a DINO. She came out in support of Murtha a long time ago and she did send around E-Mails calling for looking into impeachment the same as Boxer...

[mike_c]

10. can we start demanding that the opposition party OPPOSE the bastards...

...instead of enabling them? Jusk asking. :grr:

[Jade Fox]

19. How exactly does publicly protesting one of the....

most liberal Democrats equal opposing the Republicans?

[mike_c]

33. if Pelosi's war position is "one of the most liberal" among...

...the democrats, then we've got a LONG way to go before we're out of this mess. Unfortunately, I fear you might be correct, so I'll just keep demanding more.

[sandnsea]

37. reality check

You haven't got jack shit yet. Demanding more of zero is still zero. Maybe it would be a good idea to sign on to phase one. Start pulling significant troops numbers out NOW. The 20,000 that were sent over for the elections would be a good start. 90% of the Democratic Party and a goodly portion of Republicans would go for that.

[mike_c]

39. and then we could all feel better about having "accomplished something..."

...while the murder and pillage goes on unabated. Gee, that sounds a bit, well-- hollow, and kind of like business as usual. Agreeing to continue the war of aggression against Iraq with 20,000 fewer troops isn't opposition to the war. It's compromise in pursuit of achieving a shared goal-- the rape and murder of Iraq, and good public relations at home. Thank you, but no-- I'll have no part of that.

[sandnsea]

40. Because accomplishing something,

like giving the Iraqis a signal that we're giving them their country back, might diffuse the situation somewhat, and god knows ideological principles are more important than actually accomplishing anything.

[mike_c]

42. we've got to stop meeting like this....

Why don't we just agree to put one another on ignore? I'll go first. :hi:

[EFerrari]

66. mike, Cf with Maxine Waters here in CA who has been

hosting end the war rallies all over southern Cal.

:)

[mike_c]

68. maxine waters is a treasure....

eom

[VegasWolf]

70. Well said Mike, conscience matters to me also. It is time to stop

killing young children for Oil.

[guruoo]

12. This is exactly what the freepers want to see n/t

[EFerrari]

24. F#ck the freeps.

This is exactly what town hall meetings are for, communication. Not those fake scripted PR events in Bushworld.

We tried to tell Nancy about evoting.

We've been asking her to stop enabling this illegal war.

We're not waiting until the next stolen election in 2008.

[bliss_eternal]

36. Way to go San Francisco!

:yourock:

[gardenista]

17. No, I don't think we could, not in San Francisco.

Though I do wish that were the case.

This really pisses me off.

Disrupting a town hall meeting with one of the most liberal members of Congress is not the ANSWER.

[Tom Joad]

26. Pelosi has supported some very right wing initiatives.

She also opposed early house votes against the war.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/05/iraq-050526-clw01.htm

When Bush opposed (in his own quiet way, ineffective way) some Israeli policies that hurt the peace process, Nancy joined with Tom Delay (yeah, that Tom) to take him to task.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/14/MN109701.DTL

See this article by S. Zunes on Nancy not being the progressive dreamboat people think.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1110-02.htm

On edit: I will add that the townhall went on relatively smoothly. The one person mentioned that spoke on the Katrina victims was the most "disruptive", and she was not part of any group. The Women in Pink were clear about their views, but allowed nancy to speak. I do think Nancy's support of Murtha's resolution, is due in part to their organizing.

[gardenista]

28. If you think that's the ANSWER, then by all means, knock yourself out

I think it's a waste of time, and gets us nowhere.

Fortunately, Pelosi seems to have taken it all in good spirits.

[gardenista]

32. Do you really think she changed her position on Murtha's resolution

because Code Pink showed up in force at a town hall meeting?

I know that politics is all showmanship, anyway, but I sincerely doubt that those theatrics led to any change in her stance.

I'm glad she is supporting Murtha, and is being more vocal about it now, but I frankly don't go for the drama. I'm glad that we have Pelosi, and I support her.

I simply would rather have all that energy directed at the true perpetrators of our current situation.

[Tom Joad]

35. Didn't say that.

She announced her position long before today. However, if you check the links, you will see that she has indeed opposed other anti-war resolutions, and before Murtha never called for setting the date, merely asked bush for some "strategy for success" (as if imperialism should be successful). There has been organizing regarding Pelosi for months, and her lukewarm opposition to the war.

Yep, bush is certainly a bad guy and we should direct our energy toward removing him from power, however the responsibility does not end there.

I think it matters that Clinton continued sanctions on Iraq (and bombed Iraq) and as a result tens of thousands died.

I do not want Bush's successor to think he/she can get away with such behavior, i want real change in US policy, that will not only be plain here, but everywhere on the planet.

[mike_c]

41. minor correction because this is a statistic that really means something..

I think it matters that Clinton continued sanctions on Iraq (and bombed Iraq) and as a result tens of thousands died.

Actually, an estimated ONE MILLION IRAQI CIVILIANS died under the embargo that Clinton maintained, even though Iraq was disarmed during his entire time in office. UNICEF estimated that 500,000 children under 5 years old were among the dead.

[donsu]

63. they had good cause to demonstrate - they care about our troops

Nancy needs to see and hear it all

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. I am a member of an anti-war email group

and they are planning protests like this for every Senator and Congress Critter who doesn't oppose the war.

[donsu]

62. but, surely, it would help if the Dems in Congress fought back

if the Dems won't step up to the plate they deserve our criticism.

and rigged voting won't get us anything.

[FlemingsGhost]

6. The Dem. "leadership" is in denial ...

There are deep chasms in the Party and I'm not sure the DLC is prepared for the significant exodus (or inactivity) by the liberal/progressive bloc.

Pity Pelosi is stuck in the middle, but such is life in a dysfunctional family.

[EFerrari]

22. 'Way to go, San Francisco!

:kick:

[f-bush]

27. She needs to be challanged...

light a fire under her ass. As the quote in scripture so aptly put it: If ye be neither hot, nor cold, I shall spew you out of my mouth" Now is not the time to be sitting on a friggin fence!!!!!

[killbotfactory]

34. Whatever happened to the carrot and the stick method?

She's been pretty good on a lot of issues, why the heckling?

Oh well, it's their representative. They can do what they want. At least she doesn't run away from them like Bush.

[guruoo]

38. We just gots to make z noise!

Everybody knows that raising hell is more
glamorous and exciting than doing the real
work from the trenches that it takes to win elections.
Get more chicks at protests, too!
:rofl:

[EFerrari]

67. Were you there? Then you don't know how much work

it entailed, do you?

And good luck winning elections on Republican machines.

Sheesh.

[guruoo]

75. Lobby allies, protest opposition.

Otherwise, you risk lending aid and comfort
to your idelogical enemies.
In worst case you could end up sending your
~former~ ally packing to the dark side.

[Andromeda]

45. That's just great!

Heckle and shout down one of the most effective and liberal Congresspeople in the House. That's really going to get you what you want. If you just wanted attention, you got it, but not the kind that you hoped to get.

Oh--I get it! She's just not liberal enought for some of you. She's not idealogically pure enough to suit you so you put lables on her like, DINO and (horrors) moderate!

I've got news for you. There is only one Barbara Boxer. Just not enough Boxer clones to fill the space you think ought to be filled with people exactly like her!

If we get rid of all of our "dinos" and centrists we're going to be left with: (1) nothing (2) nothing (3) nothing (pick one). There will never be enough Democrats with the kind of credentials you desire. There will never be a Democrat good enough to suit you.

Some of you will n.e.v.e.r. be happy.

[EFerrari]

69. I have news for you, Andromeda.

Nancy Pelosi is not a progressive. She may qualify as a liberal moderate.

More, she is my elected representative. And I am well within my rights to let her know how badly she is misrepresenting me on the Iraq war.

If Nancy scews left, it will be because of me and others who help push her in that direction.

Purity has nothing to do with this. Effectiveness does. At some point I hope it occurs to you that the Beltway Class does not take progressive positions without considerable encouragement back home.

[Peace Patriot]

46. The protesters represented the great majority of Americans, 58% of whom

have opposed this war from the beginning, before the invasion, back in Feb. '03. 58%! Across the board in all polls. A number that has hardly changed since then except to go up. This great progressive American majority--which opposes every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 70% range, and has for several years (read the issue polls, you will be amazed)--HAS ALMOST NO VOICE IN WASHINGTON DC IN ANYTHING APPROPRIATE TO ITS NUMBERS. Half the Democrats voted to give their war powers away to Bush. Most of the Democrats continually vote BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars to Bush and his and Cheney's war profiteering buds to prosecute this illegal, unconstitutional, immoral war.

Pelosi is the House Democratic leader. She has presided over the Democrats authorizing all this bloodshed and torture. Tens of thousands of innocent people slaughtered (over 100,000, according to the British doctors' report, from the initial bombing alone). Thousands more tortured. How can we forget this? How can Pelosi and Murtha say, "Oh, oops, we made a mistake, we have a failed POLICY, let's pull back to Kuwait or Qatar and wait for the Bush to trump up a war against Iran, too, and then do another failed POLICY"? The horror of Iraq requires a RADICAL change of direction, starting with impeachment. The Bush junta has imperiled all peoples of the Middle East, including Israel, with this mad, illegal, immoral war, and they have put the very planet--all of us--in peril of a nuclear exchange that could destroy all life on earth. (Read Carl Sagan, on the impacts to our atmosphere of even a limited nuclear exchange.) This is MADNESS!

WHY the great majority of Americans are not being heard, why we have representatives who are playing footsie with Bush fascists, why we have thousands of dead US soldiers and tens of thousands permanently wounded or poisoned, why our name is mud everywhere on earth, why we are looking at a TRILLION DOLLAR deficit and a ruined country, is the SECOND QUESTION that the Democrats have done nothing about, and are covering up: ELECTION FRAUD!

The election system that was put in place in this country in 2002-2004, with the $4 billion HAVA boondoggle, is inherently non-transparent and fraudulent. Rightwing Bushite corporations--mostly Diebold and ES&S--now control the tabulation of our votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls. How did this outrageous election system GET put into place with NO DEMOCRATIC PARTY OBJECTION?

It is INSANE. It guarantees fascist rule forevermore! Don't whine and say, "Please give us a paper trail, pretty please!" Ask yourself HOW Democrats could have tolerated an egregiously non-transparent election system controlled by Bushites! How could they have done this to us?!

Pelosi damn well deserved a protest. She deserves more than that. She deserves to be replaced by somebody with PRINCIPLES, somebody who believes in democracy, somebody who would never in a million years let the Bushites get away with 'TRADE SECRET' PROPRIETARY vote counting controlled by Bushites, somebody who would chain herself to her desk in the House until these sons of bitches are impeached!

I'm not saying she's BAD. She's NOT bad. She's just typical. I'm not saying we can't work with her. We CAN, and we MUST, because currently we have no other choice. But, by God, we shouldn't do it with closed eyes.

[5X]

48. Right on. n/t

[KoKo]

61. Well said! Your response speaks to so many of us who are just damned

sick and tired of our Dems not addressing issues that are losing us elections. Only the Black Caucus has helped us with voting issues...to the rest of our Dems it's "Conspiracy Theory." I'm sick of hearing whining from our House Dems that they just can't do anything because DeLay was too powerful.

There's always a way even if they had to walk out in unison and shut down the Congress. Their failed policy of sitting by and waiting for every new election where we lose again isn't working. And, a massive program of voter registration to get out and vote didn't seem to help in '04 when by then the Repugs (having taken advantage of all that time since 2000) had managed to "fine tune" their system of disenfranchising enough voters (by intimidation, faulty Voting Machines, lack of voting machines, etc.) in selected Counties in States all over the US.

Now, six years after Stolen Election 2000 the mighty REPUG HAVA ACT is creating chaos and what do Pelosi and her crew have to say about it. NOTHING! Whether they voted against it or not is irrelevant at this point because they haven't said a peep about the consequences for our future elections and have not spoken out about the fraud of the "Elections Commission" and the states being infiltrated by the Lobbyists and Repug Operatives who work for the "so-called No-Partisan" Elections Commission that's ramming their faulty machines down the throats of every
clueless overworked State County Election official all over the US....:grr:

[wovenpaint]

65. I wish that I could K&R this post!

You've described the situation we're in very well, IMHO.



:applause:

[yorkiemommie1]

73. thank you for saying it so well

n/t

[maryallen]

77. Great response!

Keep saying it ...

[guruoo]

78. Time to put up

So, who are you going to run against her?
So far all I'm hearing is 'can Pelosi'.
Let's see your candidate.
Let's see their funding.
Let's see their campaign support base.
Let's hear how your going to get the votes necessary to
offset the Diebold factor.

Show - me - the - money!

:shrug:

[greiner3]

49. Ya gotta love SF! n/t

[xchrom]

50. san francisco rocks!

[Surya Gayatri]

55. San Francisco rules!

Gotta love their activism and energy :yourock: SG

[Dunvegan]

59. Pelosi knows us...We're quite intimate, San Francisco and Nancy...

...it was a nice tea party, and business as usual in the City by the Bay:

Assembly and Free Speech...Constituents Requiring Direct Accountability...

...and Voting Citizens That Will Throw the Tea in the San Francisco Bay if There Isn't Representation for all that Bloody Taxation.

I think Nancy expected nothing less than to get her lumps with along with her nice warm cuppa here at home.

A lovely tea party; a good old-fashioned all-American patriotic freestyle tea time San Francisco treat.

[VegasWolf]

72. Yes! Go for it SF!!! nt

[oasis]

79. Great story of the whole event on the provided link. Thanks fed-up. (eom)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

85. Gee, that's just fucking great.

As if we didn't have enough problems, now we need to start eating our own? At this point we don't even deserve to win an election, if this is all the more together we can get.

[EFerrari]

87. Do you call sending a clear message to your

elected representative "cannabalism"?

I call it representative government.

[henslee]

86. Pelosi came off as a stammering ideiot. It was embarassing. I cold not

watch.

[LibDemAlways]

90. She sure as hell didn't know it was coming.

She's out of touch with her constituents, and, when confronted by the protestors, tried to talk over them and ignore them while breaking into a serious case of flop sweat - at least that was my impression based on what I saw. Better to have listened to them and heard them out. It wouldn't have been what she was expecting to do, but she needs to be more adaptable. That performance was pathetic.

[henslee]

91. Flop sweat. Great term. My heart sunk when I saw her flicking around the

tube last night. If she is who Dems have on point... we are fucked. She was totally disconnected flustered and she could not pull off a coherent sentence. And the rabble was not even that nasty... they were begging for a little guidance, a little acknowledgement. It never came. Though a bit tangential, I've been getting all sorts of first hand reports lately from NOLA... about how fucked up things are... and from a Wall Street buddy telling me how net stocks are heating up again... and I just have a hard time caring about anything anymore.

[Evergreen Emerald]

88. divide and conquer

Those who shouted her down and attempted to make her look like a "stammering idiot" may as well have been paid by the neo-cons. She and her beliefs are nothing like Bush. She has stood up against the all-powerful wall of corruption with dignity and honor. And how do we help her help us? Nice. I wonder if those people were paid by Bush. They may as well have been.

[FlaGranny]

89. Embarrassing as all hell.

If I had been sitting next to that loud mouth who kept yelling the entire time, I would have smacked her in the mouth or wrung her neck, I think.

[yostsghost]

92. Someone needs to wake these individuals up

Kudos to the man heckling Pelosi. More civil disobidience is the only way convey the message of the American people. Democratic poloticians must stoping worrying about their next election and concentrate on the issues at hand.

If the republinazis were handed all the scandal that the dems have, do you honestly think they would sit back and wait. They would step on the throat of liberalism and crush it.

The time for action is now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coldiggs]

94. We cant impeaditly cut funding. It would have to be a fased withdrawl.