Stay away from Israeli women, foreign workers told

[Tinoire]

Stay away from Israeli women, foreign workers told
FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS

JERUSALEM — An Israeli company has required thousands of Chinese workers to sign a contract promising not to have sex with Israelis or try to convert them, a police spokesperson said today.

According to the document, male workers cannot come into contact with Israeli women — including prostitutes — become their lovers or marry them, spokesperson Rafi Yaffe said. He said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and no investigation had been opened against the company.

<snip>

About 260,000 foreigners work in Israel, having replaced Palestinian labourers during three years of fighting. When the government first began to allow the entrance of the foreign workers in the late 1990s, ministers warned of a "social time bomb" caused by workers assimilating with Israelis.

<snip>

Israeli advocates of foreign workers — who come also from Thailand, the Philippines and Romania — say they are held by employers in nearly slave-like conditions and their bosses frequently take their passports and refuse to pay them.

A spokesperson for the Labour and Social Affairs Ministry did not return calls requesting comment.
<snip>

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1072178838039&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968705899037

[Loonman]

1. Selective breeding in Israel?

Nooooo! Ya don't say!

Fascists.......

[SlavesandBulldozers]

2. huh?

"sign a contract promising not to have sex with Israelis or try to convert them"

Convert them to what? Being a Chinese person? My my my how Israel has learned from the Nazis.

[noonwitch]

13. Convert them to communism, perhaps?

Or Buddism, or falun gong?

The subtext is interesting, too. Instead of hiring native Palestineans, the Israelis are shipping their labor from the most repressive nation on earth, thus further feeding the resentment of the Palestineans toward the Israelis. I'm sure this is devastating to the economy of the Palestinean territories, and to the people living in them. As their economy gets worse, it will feed the anger and frustration of those people, and ultimately, both sides will suffer.

[Jacobin]

3. Reminds me of the Old South

Don't want the slaves diddling the magnolias, now do we?

[loudnclear]

35. And we all know what happened in the "old south" (think Strom)

Can it get any worse in Israel?

[denverbill]

4. This doesn't remind me of Nazi Germany at all. Nope, not at all.

I don't recall Nazi Germany passing laws banning intermarriage of 'Aryans' with Jews or banning sexual relations between them. I don't recall that at all.

[rman]

26. Nor does it remind me of appartheid

of course stuff like housing assignment based on which kind of jew you are doesn't remind me of appartheid either.

[davidinalameda]

31. you need to check your history books

Germans and Jews weren't allowed to marry

http://www.meredith.edu/stones/interfai.htm

In 1939, the Nuremberg Laws prohibited any further intermarriage, but left the present marriages as they were. The number of people living in intermarriages, according to Stoltzfus, in the German Reich and its Czech protectorate at the beginning of 1943 had dropped to 27,744 from about 30,000 in 1939. By September of 1944 12,987 of the 13,217 Jews in Germany lived in intermarriages (Stoltzfus xxvii). However, the German Jews whose non-Jewish spouses had either died or divorced were exterminated like the others (Stoltzfus 3).

[cprise]

32. He was being sarcastic

.

[davidinalameda]

40. he should have said so then

:-)

[Come Together]

36. Thank you.

Sometimes the stench of hate is found in a forum I would least expect!

I appreciate your post.

[0007]

59. You mean the history books that weren't burnt, LOL!!

[ParticipatoryDem]

5. How do the Muslims handle people handling their women?

I heard it quite harsh on the woman involved and the death penalty is often the outcome. What say you?

[Jacobin]

7. I don't think they distinguish between Muslims and non-muslims

The woman gets stoned to death.

What say you?

[oneighty]

9. I spent some time in

a North Africa Muslim country. Domestic women were readily available, regardless of race and religion.

US Navy Port of Call.

180

[The Stranger]

29. Regardless, Muslim fundies don't claim to be "the only democracy

in the Middle East" and collect billions in U.S. tax dollars every year.

[Come Together]

37. You believe that

Fundamentalist Islamists are a country?

You want us to fund them through more than the back-channels their charities have been doing for years?

BTW, Egypt is 2nd only to Israel in aid (2.2 bil to 1.9 bil)...but we don't get from Egypt the back-up we do from Israel.

[The Stranger]

51. Exactly my point.

Muslim fundamentalists -- whomever and whatever they are -- have no place in the debate over this insidious and racist policy. It should be condoned by none, yet here it is, in a country that receives billions in U.S. aid. Why continue to deny this? It is an embarassing policy and should be condoned by no one.

[mbperrin]

62. Check your figures - out of a total of $24 billion in foreign aid to ALL

countries, Israel gets $12 billion (and wants more!)

[Come Together]

63. You claim Israel

gets $12 per year.


Link please. It just isn't true! ;-)

[durutti]

57. Here's how it works...

If you're a a man, you can take wives who are "people of the Book" -- Christians, Jews, and some other, minor sects. If you're a woman, you can only marry other Muslims.

[Terwilliger]

78. I say, why are you asking?

this thread has nothing to do with muslims

[Come Together]

6. I believe the operative words here are

"An Israeli company"...corporate is corporate...comparing a country to Nazis or fascists for a corporate policy is treading on thin ice, IMHO.

[thebigidea]

12. besides, this is perfectly acceptable and beyond reproach

it is important for Little Israel to maintain Big Purity!

[Come Together]

15. What?

Do you think this doesn't go on in other countries?

This was "one company"...please get a grip.

[rman]

23. Do you let your boss tell you who you can't have sex with?

If he'd try he would be violating your civil liberties.
Maybe you think that's ok, most people don't.

Then again, maybe Israel doesn't have laws regarding civil liberties.

[cprise]

33. Not necessarily true. Its done in the US all the time

...where there are no gay/lesbian antidiscrimination laws.

[Come Together]

38. What is absolutely amazing about this thread

is how no one will condemn the article or recall it referred to one company's policy. Is the hatred of Israel that palpable on DU?

This much is too much...this hatred may just cost us the election.

[oldcoot]

56. Yes, this is just one company.

However, the article makes it clear that this company's policies are perfectly legal and acceptable in Israel. The article quotes police spokesperson Rafi Yaffe as stating that there is "nothing illegal about the requirement" and "no investigation had been opened against the company." Later in the article, the author (or authors) describe how ministers warned that foreign "workers assimilating with Israelis" might cause a "social time bomb" in the 1990s.

Assuming that the article is accurate, it is clear that the Israeli government is willing to tolerate racist and discriminatory practices against immigrants. Now if a company did this in the United States, we would all be screaming our heads off and condemning the government for allowing this to happen. We would probably hold Bush accountable. Considering that most of us frown on racism, it would be hypocritical for us not to criticize Israel for tolerating such policies.

[0007]

66. With much respect why do you bring up the thingy about elections?

I hear this from the likes when one doesn't agree with the argument!

[TahitiNut]

18. A 'corporation' is conceived by capital in the womb of public law.

To pretend that a 'corporation' is independent of the protective legislation in which it is conceived and nurtured is to grant it some existential autonomy that it does not deserve, imho.

When we see the phrase "Congress shall make no law ..." we should be reminded that laws and regulations proffering privilege and power to artificial capital entities whose very core is most often founded on the "love of money" is often the externalization of the power to infringe on civil liberties and human rights prohibited to government itself. When we see similar acts within differing constitutional contexts, similar wariness is prudent.

[rman]

25. "conceived in iniquity, born in sin, they own the Earth"

oops, that's about Banking.
well, close enough.
(quote from Sir Josiah Stamp, President of The Bank of England, 1920)

[Come Together]

39. Well, I surely do hope I don't get a reprisal

from taking issue with a moderator, but my principles urge me on.

I am not pretending anything about a corporation.

Any capitalist state protects corporations...this had a lot to do with my voting for Nader a couple of times!

Your second paragraph reads very nicely, but unfortunately it is theoretical.

Surely, you cannot be these naive about capitalism...

[maxsolomon]

21. wrong: corporatism is fascism

look it up in the dictionary.

[Come Together]

41. You miss my point.

My point is why does DU have such a negative fixation with Israel?

Much worse governments exist and they do much worse things to their people, as well as to other peoples.

Yet, I keep running across this sort of oddly right-wing attitude of hatred for Israel.

Is DU an anti-Israel site, but just doesn't publish it?

[Darranar]

55. Because the media focuses on Israel.

[Come Together]

58. Oh, someone I recognize!

:hi: , Darranar.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Please!

They can't stop people from having sex!

[soleft]

10. I love the juxtapostion of your post with your sig line pic

;-)

[BiggJawn]

14. Why not?

Happens every day.
Corporations try to govern other facets of their employee's lives.
No smoking.
No drinking.
We don't hire fat people. They're unhealthy and cost us money.
"Make up your mind. You wanna be a Vice-President or a Mommy?"

Why the hell not stop people from screwing? you don't even have to make a policy, just bully them till they're too despondent to screw.

[drewb]

11. How is this breaking news...

The Israelis, privately and publicly implementing racist policies is not news to me....

[mmm]

16. How silly

People are gonna pair up and they're gonna have sex and there
ain't nothing wrong with that. The Ministry
of Purity can play make believe all they want.

[mbperrin]

17. Then it's OK for male workers to have sex with Israeli men?

And try to convert them?

Hey, they write it, I just read what it says!

[noonwitch]

34. I like the way you think

I would have never looked at it that way.

[SOS]

19. Workers of the World Unite

against ALL oppressors who abuse, enslave, rob and cheat their workers. Whether in Israel, the US, Asia, Africa or Latin America, how do these dirtbag slavemasters sleep at night?

[Come Together]

42. Finally!

Hey, Wobbly: :yourock:

[pinto]

43. kick...n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

20. Muslim fundamentalism tends to be worse...

...but this is QUITE bad. Tribalism sucks, in any way, shape, or form.

[The Stranger]

28. Yeah, but Muslim fundamentalists don't claim to be "the only democracy

in the Middle East" and collect billions of U.S. tax dollars every year.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

30. You raise an interesting point

Random philosophical thought that's been dancing inside my head for some time:

Evil = (inclination to do evil) x (ability to do evil)

You can have a smaller first factor and a larger second factor.

[Come Together]

44. I hate to break it to you.

Israel is a democracy as is the US, Canada and so on.

Again, Israel receives 2.2 bil; Egypt 1.9 bil; Israel, however, has been a staunch ally and provides us with more than enough reason to receive its loan guarantees.

And, again, this odd, right-wing hatred of Israel rears its head. Amazing.

[The Stranger]

52. Not even close. Israel is currently as much a democracy as

South Africa was during Apartheid.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

54. Maybe not THAT bad but...

...they DO have laws that favor practicioners of one particular religion over others, don't they?

[Come Together]

60. That's just silly.

An apt comparison is that Israel is currently as much a democracy as the USA. ;-)

[The Stranger]

72. Maybe the U.S. back when African-Americans could not vote,

and were subjugated by law, but even that may be a stretch for Israel. Israel shares so much in common with Apartheid South Africa, it is today's version.

[Terwilliger]

79. once again...who said anything about muslims?

is this a diversionary tactic?

[donsu]

22. Interesting how Israeli men are marking the rules for Israeli women....

does this mean Israeli women do whatever the men tell them to?

men are so arrogant in assuming they are in charge of women.

[ThomC]

24. Interesting how you paint all Israeli men by the actions of one company

Arrogance is using the actions of one company to smear all Israeli men.

[Come Together]

46. I must recognize you.

The majority on this thread are truly frightening in their ignorance and hatred of Israel.

Thank you very much for your post.

[Come Together]

45. Right!

Tell that one to Golda Meir and all the female members of the professions (including government)! LOL

[Maximus Darius]

27. We believe in a "Worker's Paradise", but without sex, I can tell you

it's no paradise!

[tabasco]

47. Israeli women are hot.

This is a bogus rule.

[Come Together]

48. Well, all right!

:hi: :loveya: :pals: :yourock:

[tom_paine]

49. So sad. One wonders if people ever learn anything...

Being savagely oppressed for 1500 years has seemingly done little to teach we Jews about the wrongness of such "miscegenation" laws.

If this is true, it is pathetic.

[Tinoire]

65. It's just some people Tom

Bad people everywhere and in every group. Think of the laws the US had on the books until very recently. Think of how gay people are going to be constitutionally discriminated against soon.

I am sure that this story, this government-sanctioned racism, must make many Israelis sick to their stomache. Just keep thinking of the Israeli Left and its Progressives... They are our hope like we are theirs.

[ThomC]

73. You must be joking

One company makes a rule and you call it "government-sanctioned racism"? These broad-brush attacks on Israel make me sick to my (sic) stomache.

[Blue_Tires]

50. i am disgusted to still see something like this

in the 21st century...There is no defending this policy...It was horribly racist in Nazi Germany, it was horribly racist in the deep south, and it's horribly racist now...

To openly have a LEGAL(!) contract preventing different races 'mingling' with their women is astonishing to me...Too bad they didn't name the company or what job they perform, because this is an instant permanent boycott as far as i'm concerned. I know for a fact that if whoever the CEO/chairman is got transferred to another country and HE had to sign a contract barring his race from local women, he'd raise holy hell to whoever would listen...

[Malva Zebrina]

53. Is there no reply from these immigrants?

I can think of several, very succinct and insulting replies that I , being an outspoken woman used to living in a democracy would say. But I will not post that because I would be deleted for bigotry or something.

These immigrant people need their money in order to eat and in order to supplyu their families with food and shelter--and here they are being insulted in this way by the "only country in the ME that is a democracy"

The human race, especially in this part of the world, has insisted it go backwards,in it's fear, believeing that things as "they once were" will solve all the problems. Sigh

[Come Together]

61. Well, this brings up another labor issue:

why import workers when there is unemployment?

It's like when I call my ISP and am talking to someone in India.

We need jobs in the US! I believe Israel also has a problem with unemployment.

What is with all this 'globablization'?

[mbperrin]

64. It is called "Starve the Palestinians so that they die or leave."

"Problem" solved either way!

Ask Sharon who owned the house he lives in before he did.

Also check on the criminal status of his sons.

Incidentally, nowhere in the article is this issue LIMITED to one company, it only describes one company.

So I guess we can quit bitchin' about WalMart requiring all those people to work for free off the clock. After all, it's just one company, and there's lots of countries who do worse things, right?

[Come Together]

67. What a shocking reply!

I'm not going to quit bitchin' about any and all labor issues!

Whew...bizarre conclusions in that post...certainly nothing to do with my point!

I haven't been able to go to a decent grocery store for ages and WON'T until the strike is settled. If it isn't, I'll plant a damn garden.

WalMart is a disgrace.

So, capitalist countries treat workers like shit.

Making this into another I/P issue is just transparent...and sad.

[mbperrin]

68. You're the one who insisted that this policy is no problem

because it's "just one company" - I just expanded it to include everyone else. Using the universal imperative is a quite standard test of moral fitness - what would the world be like if everyone did this?

Visit the area if you want to be shocked. This post is the mildest of all descriptions.

I'm not trying to be combative; I'm trying to get out a look at how things really are when you open your eyes and look - really!

[ThomC]

74. This has nothing to do with the palestinians

Nice strawman.

[mbperrin]

75. The question was - why import labor when there

are unemployed people?

The answer is that because of all the shutdowns and crossing closings that Palestinians, the main source of labor in Israel, are now unreliable. So import desirable workers from elsewhere - that is, ones who don't have any claim to the land you're sitting on.

Has all to do with it.

Nice try at deflection, though.

[Tinoire]

69. Some stuff found while googling that police spokesman

Rafi Yaffe, the Samaria and Judea district police spokesman I think that says quite a bit right there.

Was googling that Rafi Yaffe fellow (a very busy spokesman) and found this on the web-site of some of the good guys. Found some extremely disturbing things about Chinese workers in Israel. This is really shameful and I'm glad the Israeli Left is on this!



Migrant Workers
04/09/2003Activists march to end foreign worker deportations- by Matthew Gutman, Jerusalem Post; Sep. 4, 2003


They do our laundry, care for our parents, grow our tomatoes, and build our homes.

<snip>

About 150 people marched down Tel Aviv`s Rehov Naveh Sha`anan Wednesday evening, through the seedy hub of the foreign worker community, holding signs reading: ``No child is illegal.``

Some carried suitcases pasted with signs proclaiming the biblical maxim: ``We too were once foreigners.``

The demonstration was preceded by a full-page advertisement in the major Hebrew dailies Wednesday morning demanding an end to the deportations.

MK Yossi Sarid (Meretz) made a surprise appearance and read from a letter he recently sent to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon calling the deportations ``unacceptable.``

<snip>
Both Israelis and foreign workers on the street applauded the demonstration. Three graying men sipping beer and playing backgammon stood up, clapped, then whistled as the procession moved past them in eerie quiet. The more apathetic locals watched and then tuned back to their TVs and their vodka.

The foreign workers are getting a little help from other friends. On Wednesday, a businessman published full-page advertisement with the headline: ``Enough with the shame!`` The advertisement slams what he claims is foul treatment of foreign workers, their forced expulsion, and the treatment of otherwise innocent men and women as criminals.

<reluctant snip about Chinese workers throwing themselves to their deaths when threatened with being kicked out and why >

http://www.phr.org.il/Phr/Pages/PhrArticle_Unit.asp?Cat=10%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09&art=609



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Being deported to their home countries is so frightening that some foreign workers will risk severe injury or even death to avoid it.
By Joseph Algazy

Liou, a 28-year-old Chinese laborer, had been working in construction in Israel for two years without a work permit. On September 15, at 4 A.M., the immigration police raided his building on Bar-Kochba Street in Herzliya. Liou, trying to escape, jumped from a second-story window, sustaining severe injuries to his feet.

<snip>

<snip>

At a recent meeting of the Knesset Foreign
Workers Committee, Ahuva Zalcberg, chair of the
Israel Bar Association's foreign workers
committee, spoke about the growing incidence of
foreign workers jumping from windows and
rooftops. She says that before they arrive in
Israel, workers from China pay the Chinese
companies who make deals with Israeli
contracting firms between $9,000 and $10,000.
They borrow this money on the gray market,
mortgaging everything they own. If they return
home before repaying their debts, a terrible
fate awaits the workers and their families.


"We're not just talking about living in
poverty," said Salzburg. "So the moment they
realize they will not be able to repay the
money they owe, they do everything they can to
stay in Israel. They will jump out of a window
when the immigration police knock because they
know that, in a sense, deportation is a death sentence."


Jonah Kridar, a senior official of the Ministry
of Industry and Commerce who supervises the
licensing of manpower agencies, confirmed at
the meeting that enormous sums of money are
indeed paid by these workers - anywhere from
$2,000 in Romania and Bulgaria, to $10,000 in China.


MK Ran Cohen, who heads the Knesset committee,
described the foreign workers this week as
"serfs" who are so heavily in debt they often
see suicide or causing themselves bodily injury
as the only way out. He lamented the fact that
the authorities are hunting down these people,
instead of the criminals who are responsible
for their plight. At the upcoming meeting of
the committee, he said, he would request a
report from the immigration authorities on
cases of foreign workers being hurt while
trying to escape, and would demand to know what
steps the police were taking against those who brought
them to this state.


http://www.bambili.com/bambili_news_en/katava_main.asp?news_id=1368&sivug_id=2

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A Mini-Pogrom in Tul Karm
By Gideon Levy, Ha'aretz
I hadn't seen anything like it in the territories for a long time: household utensils, telephones, a computer, furniture, electrical appliances, pictures and more all scattered across the floor and smashed to pieces. Among the wreckage was a defaced copy of the Koran. The air conditioner on the wall had been damaged, the clock smashed, potted plants upended, wardrobes wrecked, the electricity generator destroyed, doors ripped off their hinges and sacks of valuable seeds ripped apart and their contents spilled everywhere, turned into veritable seeds of destruction.It happened last Wednesday in the Kadan family's plant nursery, the largest of its kind on the West Bank, on the border separating Tul Karm and Shweia, opposite the milestone that demarcates the change from Area A to Area B. The members of this well-off family are considered to be "good Arabs": They trade a lot with Israel and have not a few friends in the country.

The forces arrived at dawn: At about 3:30 A.M., Basam Kadan was startled awake by the noise of the gates being torn down. Basam has six daughters and a 3-month-old son, and they too were awoken by the kicking on the doors. The soldiers and the police forcibly entered the area of the nursery and then Basam's house. The signs of the forced entry are apparent on every door.

Armed with hammers, they smashed everything they could reach. A picture of the late head of the family, Badia Kadan, who was president of the Tul Karm Chamber of Commerce for 16 years and who died just a year ago, hangs smashed upon the wall. The family's Subaru that was parked in the yard has been wrecked beyond recognition: All four tires have been ripped with knives, its rear window and headlights smashed to smithereens. In the late father's bedroom in the elegant family wing of the house, drawers have been broken into: The brothers complain that $6,000 was hidden there by their mother, who had just returned from heart surgery in Jordan. The money disappeared during this nighttime visit. Basam complains that he was hit during the attack.

Who was responsible? Basam Kadan claims they were soldiers. The IDF spokesman was quick to point out that this was an action undertaken to find disassembly plants for stolen cars, and that the police were therefore responsible. There were only four or five soldiers attached to the force and they were not involved, explained the spokesman. The spokesman for the Samaria and Judea District Police, Rafi Yaffe, tried at first to deny the whole story: He had checked and found that the police had no information concerning any such incident. As was once the fashion, he tried to imply that perhaps the Palestinians themselves were involved. A few hours later, though, he changed his mind: The commander of the Kedum police station, Hai Yitzhak, visited the area and discovered, according to the spokesman, that "a certain amount of damage had been done to the nursery. We take this matter very seriously. We will undertake an inquiry and those responsible will be put on trial."

<snip>
http://www.mideastfacts.com/gideon_pogrom.html

===

British ultimatum turns back police mission from Israel

Another European boycott of Israel - this time in Great Britain. A group of spokesmen from Israel's police force was about to leave on a mission to Great Britain, to examine how the spokesmen in the British police deal with issues such as terror. However, an ultimatum from the British representatives, with whom the visit had been coordinated, demanded that the spokesman for the Samaria-Judea region, police superintendent Rafi Yaffe, be switched. Since the Israeli police force announced that it would not comply with the request, the British responded that they would not receive the mission - which was canceled.

http://www.jafi.org.il/agenda/2001/english/wk3-23/11.asp

==

<snip>

The police decided on the operation after amassing a large quantity of intelligence information on Israelis employing illegal housekeepers and caregivers, according to Superintendent Rafi Yaffe, spokesman for the Immigration Police. The operation covered houses from Omer and Be'er Sheva in the south to Haifa in the north, but the bulk of the activity was in the center of the country. Other cities hit by raids included Tel Aviv, Shoham, Rehovot, Yavneh, Herzliya, Hod Hasharon, Caesarea, Hadera and Jerusalem.

Yaffe said that many employers later came down to their local police stations to deliver their employees' belongings, pay their wages and say goodbye. ((Small thing but God bless those people for that final thoughfulness)). However, there were also uglier stories - such as that of one employer who had collected NIS 3,000 from her employee on the false pretext that she would use the money to arrange a legal work permit for her.

<snip>
The operation will continue over the coming days, accompanied by radio announcements warning Israelis not to employ illegal workers in their homes.

But even as the police were rounding up illegal Filipinas for deportation, the Association of Fruit Growers announced Monday that its members will be allowed to hire an additional 400 legal foreign workers next year. The addition is to cover work in the orchards between harvest seasons - a need that was not taken into account in this year's allocation.

<snip>
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/372606.html

[jem note]

70. Say, just out of curiousity,

what's the name of this unnamed company? What's the name of this unnamed AP reporter who amazingly forgot to include the name of the company in question in the story about it? And why hasn't this story been covered in any Israeli papers? Just wondering, y'know.

Ho ho ho, Chappy Chanukah!

[Come Together]

71. Read Hebrew?

Check out the papers that report in Hebrew only. Then, come back and share, okay?

[mbperrin]

80. Better yet, go there. Speak to people on all the sides (there are far more

than two).

Then come back and share. I have earlier in this string.

[ThomC]

76. Since when is credible reporting needed to smear Israel?

I've even seen electric intafada and aljezeera quoted to paint Israel in a dark light. The hatred of Israel displayed by some is out of control at times.

[oldcoot]

77. A similar article from a different source

The Guardian printed a similar article. The article still does not identify the company but it does provide additional information about immigration in Israel. You will notice that the author of this article is identified.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1112442,00.html