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sbyte Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 04:59 PM
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Goodling Ordered by Judge to Testify Under Immunity (Update2)
Source: Bloomberg

May 11 (Bloomberg) -- A U.S. judge ordered former Justice Department aide Monica Goodling to testify before Congress about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys under a limited grant of immunity from prosecution.

`snip`


``We look forward to hearing her testimony as promptly as possible,'' Representative John Conyers Jr., the Michigan Democrat who chairs the committee, said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aATsV4paHWpw&refer=home
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Truthseeker013 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 05:26 PM
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1. Goodling Ordered by Judge to Testify Under Immunity (Update2)
Good luck with that, Mister/Missus AGA Who Catches This Case. That strain of amnseia that's been running around D.C. is *miiiiiiiiighty* powerful...
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:07 PM
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4. Must be sometihng in the water... n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 07:18 PM
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10. If she messes around with her testimony, she stands a good chance
of going to jail for perjury. I think Conyers et al know what they're doing. I'd not mind seeing her go free if her testimony helps net some bigger fish.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 05:58 PM
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2. Yeah.

``We look forward to hearing her testimony as promptly as possible,'' Representative John Conyers Jr., the Michigan Democrat who chairs the committee, said in a statement.

Maybe before she takes any little airplane trips.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:39 PM
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6. She is the safest person on the planet
BushCo. have the perfect stooge. She'll prove she is a loyal Bushie, they know that so she's perfectly safe.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:02 PM
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3. Oh That Lovely Judge Hogan
Many may remember that he is the judge that allowed Fitzgerald to compel Miller to testify.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:19 PM
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5. Oh I am looking forward to that... I wish she could be kept away
from the Rover boys until the testimony. They will reach into her head and take away the memories like that "Hero" Haitian...

I suggest that she spend all her intervening time in heartfelt prayer.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 07:00 PM
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8. I wonder if will be open session??
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:47 PM
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7. You Got To Wonder How Monica Is Going To Square It With Her God
Which God, you ask? Well, that's the dilemma, isn't it? The Annointed One (W), or Jaweh?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 07:15 PM
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9. It's OK to lie, cheat, kill & steal if you're doing it to advance
God's purposes. That's not satire. It's doctrine among some evangelical types.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 07:31 PM
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11. Again, consider: WHICH God?
I think perhaps W and Christ are no longer considered the same thing, in Monica's mind.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 08:46 PM
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12. Sing, Monica, sing!
Give her a microphone and karaoke machine if she wants one!

:popcorn:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 08:22 AM
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13. If it proves to be necessary (ie, if she's a little recalcitrant in some testimony)
I think it would be a good idea to waterboard her. I believe she's part of the cabal that sees waterboarding as a perfectly acceptable means of interrogation, so I shouldn't think she should have any problem with it, and it might be a useful way to get information that would not otherwise be forthcoming.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 10:51 AM
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14. Hopefully her immunity is based upon full disclosure
If she were to fail to be completely open and honest while on the stand her immunity should be instantly revoked. At least that's the way it works on all the cop shows...

:shrug:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 08:44 PM
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15. Has anyone heard an explanation from Conyers why he didn't put Gonzo under oath?
--in the recent hearing? I'm a little worried about how all this is being handled. Granted, there are closed hearings going on, and maybe he didn't need to catch Gonzo in any more lies, but that (failure to put him under oath, the 2nd time around) and the often lame Dem questioning (and giving the Pukes too much obstruction/distraction time) make me concerned.

I hesitate to say this. Cuz we don't have many in Congress that we can trust. And Conyers has seemed like one of the good guys. Also, very smart and very competent, and VERY experienced. (Really, I was surprised at that sloppy hearing.) I had a little twinge against him during the Ohio '04 hearings, and in their report, because--while electronic voting run on "trade secret," proprietary programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, wasn't the biggest issue in Ohio election fraud (because Ohio hadn't been fully Diebolded--the issue there was more the massive overt, visible vote suppression), it WAS the biggest issue everywhere else. These riggable machines had been fast-tracked all over the country. And there was even then strong evidence that they used this new vote stealing capability to keep Bush in power. Now, my read on Conyers is that he would have pursued the larger fraud, if it had been up to him, but he bowed to the will of the McAuliffe DNC and other corrupt Democratic leaders, who had been "black-holing" the story of the fraudulent voting SYSTEMS and their funny numbers. Conyers kept the focus narrowly on Ohio. That was wrong. The biggest fascist coup in human history thus escaped attention, and is known only by a few today--although the voters themselves are increasingly distrustful of the machines (as evidenced by the huge increase in Absentee Ballot voting in '06, up to 50% in some places; they may not have all the facts, and they may not understand that AB voting isn't safe from electronic fraud either, but they sense that something is wrong, and their good sense tells them that secret vote counting is unreliable; they want a handcounted paper ballot).

Anyway, I see Conyers as having bent to pressure. He's honest, and a great man. And we all have our weak spots. Also, the Pukes were treating the "minority" party chairmen like dirt. They were denied all kinds of normal "minority" party rights. It was difficult to do anything at all, along the lines of good government, in that Congress. And he was heroic even to hold hearings on Ohio--and his hearings were a great blessing to the Ohio activists, who worked so hard to expose that election horror, and who went on the reclaim Ohio for democracy over the next 2 years. A noble work!

But, but, but...Diebold/ES&S are still with us, still doing massive, and possibly fatal, harm to our democracy, and are lurking for '08. And they may even have tempered the fraud a bit, in '06, once they saw that the people were going to outvote their machines in some cases, in order to protect their election theft capability (although they didn't do so in FL-13--where ES&S machines 'disappeared' 18,000 Democratic votes for Congress, in an election decided--for the Republican, naturally--by some 300-400 votes; a case that's still pending in Congress). I think it's possible they were selective--and shaped a Congress that could squawk about the Iraq War and do nothing to stop it (--packed with 40 or so "Blue Dog" Democrats, who want to cut everything except military spending).

That kind of damage. Potentially fatal damage---to our democracy, and, of course, fatal to actual people in military service in Iraq, and to Iraqis.

So, is Gonzogate going to the go where Plamegate seemed to go?: Into corporate news monopoly amnesia, with a few minor characters resigned or even indicted, but Rove and Diebold/ES&S still in charge? Is this what the Democratic leadership WANTS, for some reason? Lots of smoke and fire, but no consequences?

With Plamegate, many of us also hoped that Fitzgerald had a wealth of indictable knowledge, and other indictments in his back pocket, that he would use at the appropriate moment. Rove and Cheney seemed particularly indictable, just on the known facts. At the least, I expected a Grand Jury report naming "unindicted co-conspirators."

Nothin'. High treason--and the traitors are still running the country, and killing people in Iraq!

Could be that people like Conyers and Fitzgerald have hobbles around their ankles--that Bush/Cheney/Rove & Cartel are just too powerful and are such dirty players that they cannot be attacked head on. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Who knows what they might pull? War on Iran. A second 9/11. Martial law. Jailing of the opposition. Massive or selective blackmail (they're surely spying on everybody). Bumping people off (which they may have done already). And all anyone can do is hedge them round, curtail them, pick off some of their operatives, expose what can be exposed, and gradually restore order.

But I tend to keep coming back to Diebold/ES&S, and the mind-boggling silence of the entire Democratic Party leadership on the Bushite corporate takeover of vote "counting" which is now conducted under a veil of corporate secrecy. WTF?! IF they were working the edges, and trying gradually to restore order, wouldn't that be the first thing they would fix?

A requirement to disclose the "trade secret" code was just REMOVED from our Democratic leaders' election "reform" bill, by a specific person: Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat from Silicon Valley. Who did she act on behalf of, and why was this permitted? The bill was lame to begin with. It leaves Diebold/ES&S in place and lards more billions of taxpayer dollars upon them. It leaves the secret code in place, in all the machines and central tabulators. It requires a "paper trail" (no-brainer!*). And it requires a mere 2% audit (way, way inadequate)--if that's even still in the bill.

Why didn't they just say: a ballot for every vote, and count every goddamned one of them, in a way that everyone can see and understand? Why all this money? Why all this gobble-de-gook and secrecy? Why these bandaids? Corrupt officials can keep their corrupt machines, but they cannot use them for the initial count, which MUST BE VISIBLE!

Did they WANT Bush to be re-elected? Did they want a hobbled Congress? Is that the big secret?

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*How could these machines have been fast-tracked across the country with NO "paper trail"? Machines whose secret code is owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--big donors to Bush/Cheney, major players, and contributors to nutball fascist 'christian' causes? How could Democrats have voted for this in the first place? (--and most of them did). And now they put a bandaid on it? Something's not right. And good guys, like Conyers, seem to be caught in the middle--hobbled. And something is not smelling right about Attorneygate as well.)

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 08:44 PM
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16. Has anyone heard an explanation from Conyers why he didn't put Gonzo under oath?
--in the recent hearing? I'm a little worried about how all this is being handled. Granted, there are closed hearings going on, and maybe he didn't need to catch Gonzo in any more lies, but that (failure to put him under oath, the 2nd time around) and the often lame Dem questioning (and giving the Pukes too much obstruction/distraction time) make me concerned.

I hesitate to say this. Cuz we don't have many in Congress that we can trust. And Conyers has seemed like one of the good guys. Also, very smart and very competent, and VERY experienced. (Really, I was surprised at that sloppy hearing.) I had a little twinge against him during the Ohio '04 hearings, and in their report, because--while electronic voting run on "trade secret," proprietary programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, wasn't the biggest issue in Ohio election fraud (because Ohio hadn't been fully Diebolded--the issue there was more the massive overt, visible vote suppression), it WAS the biggest issue everywhere else. These riggable machines had been fast-tracked all over the country. And there was even then strong evidence that they used this new vote stealing capability to keep Bush in power. Now, my read on Conyers is that he would have pursued the larger fraud, if it had been up to him, but he bowed to the will of the McAuliffe DNC and other corrupt Democratic leaders, who had been "black-holing" the story of the fraudulent voting SYSTEMS and their funny numbers. Conyers kept the focus narrowly on Ohio. That was wrong. The biggest fascist coup in human history thus escaped attention, and is known only by a few today--although the voters themselves are increasingly distrustful of the machines (as evidenced by the huge increase in Absentee Ballot voting in '06, up to 50% in some places; they may not have all the facts, and they may not understand that AB voting isn't safe from electronic fraud either, but they sense that something is wrong, and their good sense tells them that secret vote counting is unreliable; they want a handcounted paper ballot).

Anyway, I see Conyers as having bent to pressure. He's honest, and a great man. And we all have our weak spots. Also, the Pukes were treating the "minority" party chairmen like dirt. They were denied all kinds of normal "minority" party rights. It was difficult to do anything at all, along the lines of good government, in that Congress. And he was heroic even to hold hearings on Ohio--and his hearings were a great blessing to the Ohio activists, who worked so hard to expose that election horror, and who went on the reclaim Ohio for democracy over the next 2 years. A noble work!

But, but, but...Diebold/ES&S are still with us, still doing massive, and possibly fatal, harm to our democracy, and are lurking for '08. And they may even have tempered the fraud a bit, in '06, once they saw that the people were going to outvote their machines in some cases, in order to protect their election theft capability (although they didn't do so in FL-13--where ES&S machines 'disappeared' 18,000 Democratic votes for Congress, in an election decided--for the Republican, naturally--by some 300-400 votes; a case that's still pending in Congress). I think it's possible they were selective--and shaped a Congress that could squawk about the Iraq War and do nothing to stop it (--packed with 40 or so "Blue Dog" Democrats, who want to cut everything except military spending).

That kind of damage. Potentially fatal damage---to our democracy, and, of course, fatal to actual people in military service in Iraq, and to Iraqis.

So, is Gonzogate going to the go where Plamegate seemed to go?: Into corporate news monopoly amnesia, with a few minor characters resigned or even indicted, but Rove and Diebold/ES&S still in charge? Is this what the Democratic leadership WANTS, for some reason? Lots of smoke and fire, but no consequences?

With Plamegate, many of us also hoped that Fitzgerald had a wealth of indictable knowledge, and other indictments in his back pocket, that he would use at the appropriate moment. Rove and Cheney seemed particularly indictable, just on the known facts. At the least, I expected a Grand Jury report naming "unindicted co-conspirators."

Nothin'. High treason--and the traitors are still running the country, and killing people in Iraq!

Could be that people like Conyers and Fitzgerald have hobbles around their ankles--that Bush/Cheney/Rove & Cartel are just too powerful and are such dirty players that they cannot be attacked head on. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Who knows what they might pull? War on Iran. A second 9/11. Martial law. Jailing of the opposition. Massive or selective blackmail (they're surely spying on everybody). Bumping people off (which they may have done already). And all anyone can do is hedge them round, curtail them, pick off some of their operatives, expose what can be exposed, and gradually restore order.

But I tend to keep coming back to Diebold/ES&S, and the mind-boggling silence of the entire Democratic Party leadership on the Bushite corporate takeover of vote "counting" which is now conducted under a veil of corporate secrecy. WTF?! IF they were working the edges, and trying gradually to restore order, wouldn't that be the first thing they would fix?

A requirement to disclose the "trade secret" code was just REMOVED from our Democratic leaders' election "reform" bill, by a specific person: Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat from Silicon Valley. Who did she act on behalf of, and why was this permitted? The bill was lame to begin with. It leaves Diebold/ES&S in place and lards more billions of taxpayer dollars upon them. It leaves the secret code in place, in all the machines and central tabulators. It requires a "paper trail" (no-brainer!*). And it requires a mere 2% audit (way, way inadequate)--if that's even still in the bill.

Why didn't they just say: a ballot for every vote, and count every goddamned one of them, in a way that everyone can see and understand? Why all this money? Why all this gobble-de-gook and secrecy? Why these bandaids? Corrupt officials can keep their corrupt machines, but they cannot use them for the initial count, which MUST BE VISIBLE!

Did they WANT Bush to be re-elected? Did they want a hobbled Congress? Is that the big secret?

-----------------------

*How could these machines have been fast-tracked across the country with NO "paper trail"? Machines whose secret code is owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--big donors to Bush/Cheney, major players, and contributors to nutball fascist 'christian' causes? How could Democrats have voted for this in the first place? (--and most of them did). And now they put a bandaid on it? Something's not right. And good guys, like Conyers, seem to be caught in the middle--hobbled. And something is not smelling right about Attorneygate as well.)

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