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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:05 AM
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Venezuela keeps regional rights seat in blow to U.S.
Source: Reuters

Venezuela keeps regional rights seat in blow to U.S.

By Brian Harris
1 hour, 23 minutes ago

PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Venezuela held onto its seat on a
Pan-American human rights commission on Tuesday in a blow
to U.S. diplomacy a day after the countries traded barbs
over media freedom and the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay.

Member countries of the Organization of American States,
or OAS, voted at a meeting of the hemispheric body in
Panama to give Venezuelan Luz Patricia Mejia one of four
seats opening up on its seven-member regional human
rights commission.

The United States and its foe Venezuela both hold seats
but the Venezuelan-held position is one of four due to
change hands by December. Washington, which is at
loggerheads with leftist President Hugo Chavez, had
pushed for Bolivia to fill the seat.

-snip-

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070606/pl_nm/venezuela_us_oas_dc_1
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:14 AM
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1. Score another victory for The People. K & R.
Ya just gotta love how the rest of the hemisphere keeps sticking it to us. I just wish we could find some way to dissociate ourselves from our government.
:kick:

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:21 AM
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2. Good.
:thumbsup:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:27 AM
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3. Viva la Huelga!
K&R
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:05 AM
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4. I hope the United States is kicked out.
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:06 AM by Tom Joad
My own nation is one of the most violent and repeat offenders of human rights in the world.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:06 AM
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5. Viva la Luz! n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:29 AM
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6. Shocked to hear Bush was rooting for BOLIVIA to get the seat.
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 03:33 AM by Judi Lynn
This must mean he thinks he's got Evo Morales in a headlock. He must think he has found a way to force Morales into submission, but that really doesn't seem possible.

It wasn't all that long ago that Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld were BOTH threatening the people of Bolivia with what the holy hell would happen to them if they DARED to P.O. Bush by electing Morales as their pResident. They threatened funds to Bolivia would be cut, including money to the military, which would have steamed the hardcore military men who had been there during the regime of dictator Hugo Banzer (who privatized their water and gave it to the Bechtel connected company which raised everyone's rates far beyond their ability to afford, and charged them for the rain they tried to collect in barrels), which would have made them resentful of Evo Morales as soon as he was sworn in.

You may well recall Rumsfeld's Defense Department persuaded some of these officers in the days BEFORE the election to destroy some missiles in Bolivia's control. Flat out DESTROYED them, so they could not be used, ever, presumably leaving Bolivia less protected.

Bush's hatred for someone he can't control has led him to back another person he hates, both of them Native American descended.
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:31 AM
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7. Why
Do we applaud everything bad that happens to us regarding Venezuela?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:20 AM
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9. this is something "bad" "happening to us"?
whatever . . . :wtf:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:05 AM
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11. I don't agree with your premise, but I think that many people applaud when...
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 05:07 AM by I Have A Dream
Venezuela doesn't just roll over for Bush as many countries do. It took a stand against him. (I don't think that Venezuela has a problem with the US itself but rather with Bush and his policies.)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:18 AM
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12. To paraphrase the old Lone Ranger/Tonto joke--
--whatchu mean WE, white man? Bush and the Pioneer Club elite he whores for are not "us".
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:51 AM
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13. I applaud Venezuela for not towing the Bush line on human rights
The bush administration would like all countries to over look Guantanamo Bay in the name of War on Terrorism. The government of Venezuela sees through this sham, and calls bush on it.
I like it.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:39 AM
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14. Why applaud? Wrestling. This word says a lot. South Americans are trying to
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 06:41 AM by higher class
wrestle their countries back from the IMF and World Bank which, for policy and conniving, is all U.S. and Europe. Additionally, the CIA, corporations (a long list of them), State Dept, Europe all conspire to own and dictate to the continent. Most of the people have been subservient and didn't know they had to protect their own country, but started waking up. Now, they are starting to protect their own people and their earth resources. What is wrong with wrestling with the U.S. to keep your own from being dropped live into the ocean or lined up, shot, and buried raw. Why one more Haiti. Too poor to fight the thugs paid by the U.S. to gather at the border and descend in a massacre to quell the people after we plucked their duly elected President out of their Govt House and flew him around for awhile before dropping him off in Africa. (New meaning in "why don't they just go back to Africa". This while we brought in executives to run things with the wild criminals we sided with and paid.

Paraguay is still listening to us - letting Rev Moon purchase millions of acres adjacent to one of the richest sources of water in the world. They let us bring in military bases to attack Bolivia.

Yes, wrestling for - earth resources. That's what's up. I know what I want - it was ingrained in me when I was growing up in the United States of the Americas - all men are created equal.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:18 AM
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22. Nothing bad happened to us regarding Venezuela.
It just so happens that Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez is a big pain in the ass of Americas Corporate elite and American foreign policy that despises Democracy, especially in resource rich and militarily weak countries, as evident in Americas long history of financing and supporting terrorist and death squads, also known as freedom fighters, who will over through and assassinate any democratically elected person who would stand in the way of the elites right to loot and plunder, also known as free trade…
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:28 AM
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23. Because we all hate America
:eyes:
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:09 PM
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24. what do you mean?
are you saying that our imperialism is a God-given right to impose on whomever we wish to control and that when that is twarted, somehow that's "bad" for the US?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:49 AM
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8. You know the Bushites are in trouble when their OTHER choice is Bolivia!
Bolivia is now headed by socialist Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of Bolivia (and possibly in the hemisphere)--and a good friend of Hugo Chavez's. The Bolivarian revolution--started in Venezuela, and of which Chavez is the most well-known spokesman--is, of course, connected to Bolivia, which was named after Simon Bolivar, the great South American revolutionary hero, who led the revolt against the European colonialists and freed the slaves. He also dreamt of a "United States of South America", which the U.S. has militated against in every way, often brutally--trying to keep South Americans divided and subservient. Chavez has changed all that--and the second country it happened in was its neighbor Bolivia, a peaceful, democratic revolution sparked in part by the peoples' revolt against Bechtel Corpo. (--which had privatized the water in one Bolivian city, then jacked up the prices to the poor--even charging poor peasants for collecting rainwater!). The tenets of the modern Bolivarian revolution are self-determination, regional cooperation and social justice. Morales strongly shares these principles with Chavez. Argentina was going into economic meltdown from ruinous World Bank loans and IMF policy around the same time that Chavez and Morales were arising as leaders. Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina created the Bank of the South, to replace the World Bank with socially responsible financing. Ecuador joined the Bolivarian revolution with the election last fall of the U.S.-educated, leftist economist, Rafael Correa.

One of the things the Bushites have been trying to do is "divide and conquer" this Andean democratic axis (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina). They have been very unsuccessful. When the Bushites issued the dictate that South American countries must "isolate" Chavez, Argentina's Nestor Kirchner replied, "But he is my brother!" There are strong bonds among these four leaders--Chavez, Morales, Correa and Kirchner. None of them are likely to go along with any kind of Bushite games--such as pitting Bolivia against Venezuela for the human rights commission seat--unlike Brazil and Chile, also with leftist governments, but which have, in some limited ways, tried to use the Bushites' "divide and conquer" tactic to gain benefit to their own countries, in not very good ways--such as Lulu of Brazil negotiating a biofuel deal with Bush--something Chavez opposes (both "deals" with Bush, and biofuel production which is harmful to the Amazon and to peasant farmers). It's ironical--Chavez, because he is so vocal and such an effective anti-Bush and anti-corporate leader, gives leverage to the more moderate socialist countries, which they in turn use somewhat "selfishly."

But I strongly doubt that we will see such double-dealing on the part of Bolivia, Ecuador or Argentina. This is why I almost laughed when I saw that Bolivia was the diabolical Bush State Department's OTHER choice (to unseat Venezuela). I wonder if they even consulted Evo Morales and Bolivia about it (--and, if they did, I would like to have heard Morales' reply. This is a man who campaigned for president with a wreath of coca leaves around his neck--sacred plant of the Andes Indians--to illustrate his opposition to the murderous U.S. "war on drugs" (i.e., war on peasnts, leftists and union organizers)). It's always possible that U.S./Bushite/corporate power could poison leftist (majorityist) countries in Latin American in different ways. These countries are vulnerable, after decades of exploitation and fasicst thievery, and they all have fascist elites with violent paramilitary elements. But the ties among the Andean democracies are quite strong, and they are all greatly benefitting from regional cooperation.

One other thing that this seating of Venezuela on the OAS human rights commission shows is that the RCTV controversy is likely seen much differently by the majority of South Americans than it is seen by our war profiteering corporate news monopolies and Bush's State Dept. Most South Americans see it more as we SHOULD BE seeing it--as an assertion of people power over corporations, as well as a well-deserved loss of license, by RCTV, for their part in the 2002 military coup attempt. The government of Venezuela had a perfect right to do what it did, and the result will be more diverse programming, and much fairer and more representative political coverage. We tend to forget that we have this right, too--we have been so bludgeoned and oppressed by our corporate-controlled media.

And just a bit of perspective here: Human rights have NEVER been better in Venezuela, and throughout the Andean democracies, than now, with Chavez and the Bolivarian revolution. Free speech has NEVER been bettter! Where there is rightwing government still remaining in South America--as in Colombia--and in the past, people are tortured and shot to death and thrown into mass graves merely for organizing a union or articulating leftist views, or merely advocating for the poor. Those horrors have all been swept away by the Bolivarian revolution and democracy is SUCCEEDING, at long last. The Venezeulan people turned history around, when they peacefully resisted and defeated the violent military coup that RCTV was party to. They now have a vibrant, open, free political culture--as do Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina, with the election of leftist governments. There are also strong leftist movements in Peru and Paraguay (likely to win future elections). These ideas--independence, democracy, social justice--are sweeping the continent.

We have had it so hammered into our heads that "Chavez is a dictator" that it is difficult for some of us to realize that the exact opposite is true. The PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA put Chavez in power by electing him, and then defended his presidency against a coup. He owes his power to THEM. And there is no power that he posseses, or has asked for, or exercised, that is not already existing in Venezuelan law, or has been granted to him, after much debate, in the elected National Assembly. For instance, his much ballyhooed (by the rightwing) desire to be reelected for a third term is a term limit issue that will be voted on by the people, and is no different from our own FDR, who ran and won FOUR terms as president. These things get totally twisted around by Bush and echo chamber.

And THIS is why the Bushites were defeated in their attempt to keep Venezuela off the human rights commission. The South Americans KNOW what is REALLY happening in Venezuela and the region. They know that Venezuela is not just okay, it is doing great on every possible criteria of human rights--from wiping out illiteracy, to universal health care, to private sector growth and prosperity and sharing the wealth, to free speech and fair trials. The Chavez government has done more for human rights than ANY government in South America's history. Is it any wonder that the Bush Junta hates Venezuela?

---------------

Recommended (by me) as a detoxifier:

"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (DVD, at AxisofLogic.com)
www.venezuelanalysis.com
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:22 AM
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10. Now that the Bush administration has temporarily backed Bolivia,
maybe Condoleeza Rice will unpack that guitar given to her by the Bolivian people's President, featuring a host of COCA LEAVES painted on its front:

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:47 AM
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15. Venezuela stands for freedom & equality, the US for suppression
& plutocracy.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:37 AM
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20. I'm not so sure in your description of Venezuela. The US description fits very well.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:58 AM
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16. If it weren't for the so-called war gone wrong, Bolivia would have
already been taken over - Venezuelan, also. There are U.S. military in Paraguay now. They're probABLY waiting for the ARMY OF THE CORPROATIONS to train more people so they don't have to wait to get our kids to do it.

Yes, the corporations are building their own army. They've recruited from Chile. They are probably recruiting this minute.

The only think we don't know is whether the Army is going to be called ACA for Allied Corporate Army or Blackwater Land Sea Air Force.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:08 AM
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17. "The United States and it's foe Venezuela."
What unmitigated bullshit.
Who the hell is Brian Harris.

:puke:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:16 AM
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18. What's so bad about a little vicious spin with a small dose of news? We just don't rate any clean
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 09:59 AM by Judi Lynn
news stories any more, do we?

While we're attempting to grasp the elements of the story, we've got an unseen fiend whispering into our ears that the Venezuelan President wants to kill us, and we should kill him first!

It's absolute DISPRESPECT for us all when they color their articles, packing them with emotionally heavy charged words like that. Dirty pool. I'm sure they wouldn't do it if they had not been told to do it. It happens in all the crap we are given in place of real news in this country.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:30 AM
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19. We have always been at war with Venezuela.
Repeat after me.

:crazy:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:45 AM
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21. Why the Hell is this a blow to the US?
It's a blow to the neo-imperialists, but it's not a blow to me or anybody I know.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:18 PM
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25. Anything is a blow to the US...
that doesn't require blowing the US.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:49 PM
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26. They should kick the US out of it's seat.
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:59 PM
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27. We are so screwed and deservedly so. Social justice is coming,
the long way around. Our neighbors to the South have learned much and have much to teach us in the North about "colonialism", and social justice. I do believe that Latin America just might lead us out of the darkness we find ourselves in now.

The indigenous peoples of this large continent have always had much for us from the "west" to learn. I hope we can in time.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:51 AM
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28. "Venezuela, which is at loggerheads with fascist pResident bush*..."
That would be a fairer headline...

just sayin...
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