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JesterCS Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:51 PM
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JFK airport plot 'a US setup'
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 03:11 PM by Elad
Source: News24

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2125074,00.html


Port Of Spain - The four suspects in an alleged terror plot to bomb a New York airport were set up in an elaborate plan by the US Republican party to retain hold of the White House, the daughter of an arrested suspect claimed on Tuesday.

Huda Ibrahiim, daughter of Amir Kareem Ibrahiim, one of four men accused of plotting acts of terrorism against the United States, said US justice officials had engaged in entrapment in breaking up the alleged plot.

*snip*

Read more: http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2125074,00.html
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:54 PM
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1. That would make sense. Didn't a GOP member recently say that we needed another 9-11 type attack
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 12:55 PM by CottonBear
in order to make the US public throw their full support behind Bush*?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:26 PM
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13. Arkansas GOP party chairman.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:50 PM
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18. This is why ...
I don't rule out 9/11 being an inside job...isn't convenient that 9/11 attacks happened during Bushie's presidency....things that make you go hmmmm????....
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:37 PM
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28. Indeed...
While I don't fully believe the claim that it was Republicans setting them up (though it's obviously possible -- we're talking Republicans after all), one could easily see Republicans claiming the thwarting of this as a success of the Patriot Act and the need to stay strong in the face of our enemies, fight them over there so we don't need to over here, (fill in other GOP cliches here).
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:34 AM
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64. An inside job???
That's just loony.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:41 PM
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79. So was Operation Northwoods.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #64
91. Welcome to the Looney Tunes Presidency
I've always thought 9-11 was a LIHOP or a MIHOP. Only time will tell.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:55 PM
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2. Sounds like the same set-up as the bunch in Fla. that fell flat
The Fla. bunch apparently got conned into being terrorist for guns and a pair of boots. This sounds so similar. Their undercover ex-con, drug dealer, got himself a real job with the bush goverment. Sheesh.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:57 PM
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4. Weren't those guys selling hair products or something out of a Miami warehouse?
This JFK "terror plot" has sounded bogus to me since day one.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:35 PM
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15. I agree with 'ya 100% .. It sounds like these are desperate times
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 01:46 PM by 0007
for junior & the GOP urinal.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:12 AM
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58. How much brill cream does it take to bring down the Sears Tower?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #58
90. I don't know, ask Mitt Romney
the poster boy for BRYLCREEM itself.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:00 PM
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6. That's what came to my mind. But there are descriptive words
in the piece just ripe for Faux to pick and use as "absolute proof! these are terrorists". For instance, "Islamic Sharia".
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JesterCS Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:01 PM
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7. Faux
already has a story up about it. Saying how the family is " claiming " that they were falsely arrested.

I hate Faux.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 07:39 PM
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41. Yes Thug Repuke criminals recruit and encourage the unwashed
to "conspire" to commit crimes.

No actual crime is committed--just a "conspiracy" whatever the fuck that is?
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:56 PM
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3. Sounds reasonable to me.
K&R.

:kick:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:58 PM
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5. oddly related to this
I had jury duty today, and while we were sitting around waiting for our numbers to be called, some woman at our table started talking about the terror plot at JFK.

It sure felt good to search DU (they have wireless there, I brought a laptop), find the link to the debunking: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070605/ts_afp/usattacksairportskepticism_070605001240 and slide it across the table for her to read.

(thanks, DU)

I told her that's why I'd suck on a jury, anyone tells me anything anymore, I just give them that "yeah, I don't think so" look.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:14 PM
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9. Good job, lw
:hi:
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:35 PM
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14. I especially like this part which seems to escape the eyes of the reich wing
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 01:35 PM by Sapere aude
"the plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry out the attack."


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:59 PM
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37. What totally cracked me up in a bizarre way was the Guest on CSPAN's Washington Journal
that was from the Moonie Times phrased the following about the informant (twice convicted of dealing drugs): "He's been involved in the drug enforcement system." OMFG :wow: Could these people get any more deceptive and smarmy? Wait, don't answer for there's another rock layer of deception that the PsyOps people are spoon feeding our "all too willing" news models and so call journalistic experts. :eyes:

Gee, it seems that when our illustrious FBI want to enlist a fully CREDIBLE INFORMANT, they snag and ex-con up for sentencing on his second drug dealing conviction and make him an offer he can NOT refuse. :crazy:

The entire Justice Department should be ashamed ... and I believe many of the Career employees who have not signed their BushBotBorg loyalty oaths are disgusted at what passes for "The Rule of Law." :thumbsdown:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
50. Our intelligence agencies are so poorly funded they can't support these false-flag operations,
as with Operation Gladio overseas, anymore. The outsourcing is so poor !
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:45 PM
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97. Huh?
Edited on Sat Jun-09-07 03:51 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
They got money coming out of their collective asses.

:shrug:


$44,000,000,000.00 (Not counting their own "funding mechanisms.")

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/politics/08budget.html?ei=5090&en=2e24b46cb3ddeba6&ex=1289106000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print




Edit to add: That's more than any non-NATO "Defense" budget in the world.



On second edit: I got hit by a drip of sarcasm. Sorry for my slow-footedness.
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:07 PM
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8. Craig Fenson press conference here:
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:15 PM
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10. I am not surprised
I see you quote a South African newspaper - I am an immigrant from SA ;)
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:17 PM
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11. As long as Karl Rove is not in solitary without access to a phone,
I would believe anything like this is possible, if not probable.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:20 PM
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12. I believe that this is probably true.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:39 PM
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16. It didn't even take a week to expose this phony terra plot
:rofl:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:43 PM
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17. Another fanatical band of pizza guys with paintball guns??



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


The BushCo regime really looks like the Keystone Kops some times.





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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:51 PM
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19. It's terrible to become so paranoid, harder and harder to try
to believe a news story if it comes from our govt. The old cry wolf story is the problem. When you can't believe our media, and there is few other places to get real info, how do you come to any conclusions concerning a real threat?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:56 PM
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20. Unlike the Liberty Tower, JFK Airport exists this time
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:04 PM by CGowen
In his remarks, Mr. Bush referred to the West Coast target as "the Liberty Tower," but White House officials said he had meant to say Library Tower, the name of the U.S. Bank Tower in 2002. The building, completed in 1989, is 1,018 feet tall and was "destroyed" by alien invaders in the 1996 movie "Independence Day."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/10/politics/10bush.html?ex=1297227600&en=8bea026dcf5e347b&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:47 PM
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85. That's funny.
...In his remarks, Mr. Bush referred to the West Coast target as "the Liberty Tower," but White House officials said he had meant to say Library Tower...

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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:12 PM
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21. Well, color me shocked.
After reading this article, I'm getting an image of the Bush administration as a group of rats in a cage with a set of levers on one side. Every time they push one of the levers, they get a food pellet, and the levers have always worked for them so they aren't motivated to come up with any creative, new schemes.

I can blame the rats (and often do), but I blame the system that keeps feeding them a lot more.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:16 PM
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22. Yeah that 'terrorist' plot has bullshit
written all over it.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:40 PM
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23. I thought this might be the case
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:25 PM
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24. Of course it was....
When it was announced, my bullshit detector went off the charts.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:28 PM
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25. This was my very first thought anyway
given their track record of concocting terrorist plots where there is none.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:28 PM
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26. Even if this is a lie we should spread it as far as we can
God knows those fuckers aren't above lies. We can always retract in a tiny little paragraph at the back of the paper if it proves to be false. Nobody will remember that part.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:45 PM
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29. I'm betting that this is no lie. n/t
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:05 PM
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33. I agree
Those fuckers are immoral and I wouldn't put one single thing past them. If that makes me paranoid then so be it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:36 PM
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27. None of the thwarted terrorist planned terrorist attacks here since 9/11 have been credible.
But, without something that could be reported on, it sure would be hard to keep the "global war on terror" marketing message front and center. Anyone know how many terrorists have been convicted since 9/11? Anyone know where I can purchase a deck of Al Qaeda playing cards?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:08 AM
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69. And when it finally happens like the CFR and Brzezinski are warning since February,
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:09 AM by CGowen
they say we tried to stop it and we were successful since 911 but you can't be everywhere.


Keeping the phony war on terror alive is the goal.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:47 PM
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30. IF this is true then we need to hear about it from the media.
There are so many in this country that wont believe our claims until they are reported by the MSM.
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BrokenBeyondRepair Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:31 PM
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34. that won't happen..
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:49 PM
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31. Thank God for GWB.....
Just think...these terrible threats to America have been thwarted because of the vigilence of gwb..the chimp. Had Kerry been in power, we wouldn't be privy to even hear about them. What a f*cking joke!
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:55 PM
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32. But hey folks, mean stream propagandists had no weekend programing
JUST TOO CONVENIENT FOR THE WAR MACHINE TO USE
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:38 PM
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35. Keith Olbermann was right on the other day
When he did that montage of "terror alerts" timed to breaking news that might harm the Bush admin. It's like they keep this stuff on tap to release at opportune times.

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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:49 PM
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36. I figured it was bogus from the beginning. Just like all of the other ones.
I'm beginning to feel like the townspeople did when the little boy cried "wolf".
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:01 PM
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38. Utter nonsense.
I'm surprised that so many DUers give credence to that baloney.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 07:32 PM
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39. THE SADDEST PART IS----->
the saddest part is, that we really don't know

and the lies of the current administration, SO LARGE THEY LEAD US TO WAR, has eroded any trust anyone has in the process

and the lies of the MEDIA has removed our ability to trust them as well


SO WHO DID IT.... WAS IT A REAL THREAT.... WHO THE HELL KNOWS ANY MORE....

and until we cycle into a government we trust, a press that watches them, we can just go on guessing all year
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 08:34 PM
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45. And the WORST part is...
that we all have our suspicions, and for most sensible people these days -- which is to say, those not utterly convinced of the validity of our laughably fake news, or drunk on celebrity worship infotainment -- those suspicions run overwhelmingly toward the dark side.

I mean, even this bunch isn't capable of such massive, simultaneous incompetence as would be required for the official story to be true. The only question left is how bloody are their hands. Was the whole thing one giant black op, run out of the pentagon situation room by the snarling uber-creep himself?

Or was it just a matter of supplying some money here, firing a few people with functional eyes and consciences over there, setting up the "legends" so that even smart, functional people at one time believed that these "hijacker" comedians learned to drive a giant Boeing airliner into the precise corner of a building that looks thinner than a needle from the pilot's chair -- and did this by learning to fly Cessnas.

Oh, and they only wanted flying lessons, since they didn't anticipate having to take off or land. Jesus Christ! How dumb do you have to be to swallow that shit, and the millions of tons of similarly odious raw sewage the administration was dishing out in those days?

Notice how the details have faded from the public fancy, although Rudy the vile little sewer rat is helping people remember and I seriously doubt anybody in the administration wants total recall of 9/11. Just a vague impression of swarthy brown people waving box cutters -- another truly ingenious, though hilarious, piece of the official puzzle -- and hating us for our freedoms. So just go shopping and keep on supporting the airline industry and it'll all turn out just fine.

In fact, in those heady times just after the "attacks," our Codpiece in Chief, when asked how Americans should deal with one of the very best 9/11 sub-plots, the Crop Dusters of Doom, actually said, "Well . . . you know, if you find a person that you've never seen before getting in a crop duster that doesn't belong to (them), report it. If you see suspicious people lurking around petrochemical plants, report it."

By Christ! That's the answer. Just report them. And so the snitch state was born.

Anyway, I suppose it's horrible that so many people believe this bunch of sociopaths created their very own Reichstag fire. I think it's hilarious that these punks and small-time crooks couldn't do a better job of selling the official fairy tale.

And really, the worst part is that everybody knows they're guilty as hell, and yet there they sit, claiming the honor and prestige of an actual president and a functional administration, while they're so far from functional that the Hubble telescope couldn't find their ruined honor because it's developed into its very own black hole, and even light can't escape from one of those guys.


wp
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 08:53 PM
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47. SO LARGE THEY LEAD US TO WAR
"the lies of the current administration, SO LARGE THEY LEAD US TO WAR"

That is the germane point. Bush and his media minions should have zero credibility with anyone with an IQ above 100. (I realize there are probably a few 100+ in the 29% the media tells us that think Bush is doing a good job, but their main interest is defending their mega top 1% tax cuts.)
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 07:35 PM
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40. "the daughter of an arrested suspect claimed on Tuesday"
Kind of an important detail.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 08:07 PM
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42. Bullshit !
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 08:19 PM
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43. Keith O, tonight, mentioned that the guy anouncing the plot
was a Bush appointed attorney general. Makes me wonder, what did the ones that got to stay have to be, loyal bushies?
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 08:31 PM
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44. She's lying.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:45 AM
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62. I call bullshit, too
Until I see compelling evidence to the contrary, my take is the plot was real. Was it played to the hilt by the administration for political purposes? Absolutely. Did the invent, encourage or aid the plot? I see nothing to convince me of that.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:27 AM
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63. well, entrapment does not mean that the plot wasn't real
It just means that it would have never even happened if police weren't encouraging them to. I saw this defense coming. Frankly, I am surprised we haven't seen it before.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:06 PM
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73. "Plots" - Yes, the bush admin. aided .... they used a criminal to back them up
Chalibi and Curve Ball comes to mind.

We have plotters all over our country. Not very good plots so far, thank goodness. Those plotting against abortion clinics, the federal govt., like the McVey types go un-noticed until they stike. Bush ignored Osama's plots. Now bush is desperate to find the bad guys to prove he is a diligent crime buster and he has to hire a convicted drug dealer to scope it out? Is that like water boarding to get the answers you want? We All want the bad plotters to be brought to justice, no brainer. So, if a govt. continues to BS the people, as Keith Olberman illustrated with alerts when bush needs a diversion, with vague threats and plots, that is counter-productive.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:52 PM
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80. How amusing. So the administration is innocent until proven guilty
while the random brown people they set up are guilty until proven innocent.

How does this makes a whit of sense when you consider this administration's track record on "terra"?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:54 PM
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84. They should have their day in court
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 07:54 PM by Zandor
Meanwhile the notion they "were set up in an elaborate plan by the US Republican party" or "US justice officials had engaged in entrapment in breaking up the alleged plot" is just speculation, at best.

This administration has screwed up enough, we don't need to stretch our case like this.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:48 AM
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89. Come on. Name one BushCo "terra plot" hypefest that ever panned out. n/t
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:12 AM
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92. Panned out?
Look, I agree, they hype these things for all they're worth. But you're suggesting any terrorist plots uncovered under Junior are completely manufactured? Come on, yourself.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:52 PM
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93. Get educated.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:38 PM
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96. LOL!
Rank speculation on a blog about terror plots is hardly my idea of education.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 08:47 PM
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46. Unfortunately, it's her word against theirs. Now if there is
any video or tape that can prove this, it would be what people in Congress, like John Conyers, needs to bring down this criminal administration. A word to those who might be contacted in the future for such a plot by someone from Rove's office. Document it. Wear a wire and have a hidden camera rolling.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:24 PM
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48. if there is not plot..
republicans themselves will probably blow shit up so they can prove we need them to protect our children! they are assholes..i m glad that dude from wyoming croaked!!
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adrenalize13 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:20 AM
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94. You have got to be kidding me!!
What kind of idiot would make a statement like this. The hate oozing from your pores has corrupted your little itty bitty mind. It is one thing to debate politics but to be glad some one who served his country is dead just because he of his political views is idiotic, moronic and childish. I am sure I am wasting my time as I haven't seen but one or two intelligent posts on this page.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:47 PM
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49. Hey peeps, this isn't Scientology Underground
Though you wouldn't know it from most of the posts on this thread.

Huda Ibrahim obviously has no personal reason whatsoever to blame the arrests on an evil and ingenious plot to retain the White House, right? Yep, that's certainly the conclusion William of Occam would have settled on, too.

How many thousands of little cabals of the disgruntled and angry are at this very minute talking about shoving a large stick of dynamite up the back-side of the US?

I can count about thirty at any one time on DU alone. Hah! Now I get it! Skinner is a Rovian puppet, and Bushco runs DU as part of "an elaborate plan by the US Republican party to retain hold of the White House."

No one can prove different. Seriously. :evilgrin:




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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:44 PM
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53. Now, now...
From what I've read on this thread there may be many who might not appreciate the intrusion of rational thought (though I do). I found post #26 to be particularly charming, especially since the poster in #33 informs us of the immorality of "Those fuckers".

My head is ringing with cognitive dissonace.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:24 AM
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67. cognitive symmetry
ray, you're one of this site's Black Swans

meanwhile, you're right, #26 and its spawn make me think of Edvard Munch
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followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:28 PM
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51. The FBI has a history of funding dissident groups...
The communist party members were said to have joked that you could easily tell who the FBI infiltrators were by checking to see who's dues were paid up and who's was in arrears. The communist newspaper couldn't have survived without the FBI subscriptions.

Some poor guys hustle some stranger with money for some boots and the FBI thinks they cracked a terra ring.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:11 AM
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57. funny! nt
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:39 PM
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52. The "terrorists" are a bunch of guys who didn't have the wherewithal to
blow up a package of balloons.

Just like the British Muslim "terrorists" who were going to be suicide bombers on international airliners, even though they didn't have passports--without which no airline in the world will let you board an international flight.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:49 PM
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54. Repeat after me, children
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 11:53 PM by ProudDad
There is NO SUCH THING as a "war on terror"!

There can BE NO SUCH THING as a war on a tactic...

It's bullshit designed to keep you from learning who's really picking your pockets...

On edit: the FBI is just cooking this shit up from nothing... There's a time honored tradition of agent provocateur in the FBI. COINTELPRO anyone?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:54 PM
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83. here we go again
:tinfoilhat: I'm still trying to put together the Vegas connection--it seems that those alleged 9/11 terrorists and those OKC bombing boys seem to like the Vegas area for some odd reason--was it partying before the big event? Now there's an article written by George Knapp in CityLife about an Iranian born Vegas resident who's looking very suspicious with high placed friends-friends who seem to be able to wipe a very violent past clean. It seems a three year old girl was taken to the hospital almost dead-her and her mother were Iranian-German nationals-well, the mother and Hashemi were charged with felony child abuse--but the prosecutors weren't enthused in prosecuting (so the article goes), next thing you know the mother and child are wisked away out of country--no one informed the detectives that the case had been dropped--everything was sealed and this man's history was wiped clean. So, who has the power to disappear his history and drop a case where a child is almost beaten to death?--Knapp states on a final note that when detectives searched his home they found printed material about Hezebollah and apparently a poem about him being a Hezebollah man. This article is in the Las Vegas CityLife and has my radar up!!!!! Sometimes I wonder if the world is actually a stage and the director and production managers are some very power hungry sick F--ks.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:44 AM
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55. ummm..wouldn't that be treason?
:shrug:
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:55 AM
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56. Real or Not
It exposed another reason why spending trillions of dollars in Iraq isn't protecting anyone. In fact, people associated with the whole thing just seem to end up dying. Some moron could have accidentally set a pipeline off. Manhole covers in NYC kill people and pets at random. But it's all under control. It's the gun lobby, I'm sure. Way more powerful that any govt agency.
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MistressOverdone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:23 AM
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59. The "daughter of an arrested suspect"
made this claim?

Things that make you go hmmm.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:21 PM
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74. I doubt that many on this site care what the daughter says
It is the people involved in the plot that causes doubt.
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MistressOverdone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:38 PM
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78. I served on a jury once
and I always remember the Judge's instruction to evaluate each person's testimony carefully and to take into account the person's relationship with the accused and/or what they might gain or lose by the outcome.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:57 PM
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81. Does this dictum not apply to the prosecution?
In this case, shouldn't we evaluate the prosecution's claims carefully and to take into account what they might gain or lose by the outcome?
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MistressOverdone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:34 PM
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82. Absolutely
that goes without saying.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:38 AM
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87. Maybe it "goes without saying" in a courtroom
but it should be nailed on every fucking courtroom wall:

DA's LIE -- they'll do anything to win cases and "put the bad guys away" -- the "bad guys" being anyone they charge with a crime.

Cops LIE -- They're in cahoots with the DA's -- anything to convict...

Judges go along with 1 and 2 above 'cause most of them were once prosecutors.

As Lenny Bruce said, "The only justice in the Hall of Justice is in the halls!"
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:48 AM
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60. FBI does seem to have a track record of acting as agent provocateurs.
FBI supervisors kiboshed a plan for an informant to subsitute a harmless substance in place of the explosives used in the first bomb attempt on the WTC in 1993, allowing the actual bombing to go ahead.


Times reporter Ralph Blumenthal obsesrved that "scattered through the hundreds of pages of transcripts are many instances in which the Government agents appear to encourage Mr. Salem to lead the suspects to incriminate themselves."

According to transcripts of recorded conversation with his FBI handlers, Salem warned agents that the bomb was scheduled to be detonated and asked to substitute a harmless powder for the explosive. Salem's pleas were ignored and the operation was allowed proceed "even further." On February 26, 1993, the bomb tore a crater in the underground parking lot of WTC, killing 6 and injuring 1,000.

On October 27, 1993, the New York Times published an article that included portions of Salem's taped conversations with FBI agent John Anticev. "They told me that 'we want to set this'," Salem complained. "You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that." Instead, the bombing was allowed to proceed. "That's why I feel so bad," Salem told Anticev.

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=4510
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:17 AM
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61. Really, about what you would expect from people
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 07:18 AM by Mudoria
that have been arrested in a plot. "We were entrapped!". Nice try... enjoy solitary.
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brg5001 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:57 AM
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66. Well, entrapment (if they were entrapped) would be a defense.
Entrapment is really the only defense they have...but if the government can prove that they were predisposed to moving forward with their plan, and this was indeed behavior that they would have engaged in, then they have no defense and I agree -- they can take their case to solitary. If the idea and the impetus came from the informant, and they can prove it, then they walk.
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brg5001 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:54 AM
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65. The question is, would they have gone forward without the plant?
That is, who was the instigator? The fact that an informant was involved doesn't negate the charges.

Still, as long as we're going after violent religious extremists, why hasn't the FBI infiltrated Christian extremist groups such as "Rev." Fred Phelps' gang of hate-spewing bigots? I think we all know the answer to that....Islamic bombs = bad, Christian bombs = justified.

Stings are a legitimate tactic for trapping terrorist conspirators. My only contention is that they must be carried out against ALL terrorists, including radical anti-choice and anti-gay rights nutcases and not just radical Islamic nutcases.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:40 AM
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88. "why hasn't the FBI infiltrated Christian extremist groups"
they'd cost their masters votes...that's why.
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ringtailtooter Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:01 AM
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68. What ticks me off is that the media splashed it and the intended purpose
of terrifying the sheeple has been done. Has any of the MSM made any retractions or discussed this as another false flag? How much more of this are we going to be subjected to, the elections are not for another 17 months!
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festes Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:46 AM
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70. you should go check what all the different news sources
are saying about this. If you read the republican propaganda networks' (fox) story, they make a mention of this girl, but never mention the republican party. I've given up on any US news sources, preferring reuters from misc places (a suggestion from my father who owns a newspaper and thinks along the same lines as the rest of us), australian, african, whatever.. I was the one who had initially found this story and told a good friend of mine (you know him as JesterCS). All I can say is, those who's only defense for the republican party is that this is a daughter of one of the hijackers, needs to learn to read more sources. maybe they even need to learn good reading comprehension. This particular news source was one of the very few that gave the entire statement by the girl. I just hope someone in power is going to look at this. They'll probably brush it off, convinced that the only evil that exists in this world has darker skin than theirs.
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gentlegiant Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:56 AM
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71. What strikes me is, being in my earliest 50's,
how the very idea of a political party using such treasonous, under-handed tactics to maintain power would have seemed preposterous only a few years ago. But after 6 years of this administration and OVERT political shenanigans, stolen elections, crucial decisions made for reasons of party-before-country, the return/increase of hateful rhetoric to the national dialog, the neo-con acquisition and subsequent dilution/pollution of our media- it all serves to erode my incredulity, and in turn, my trust in the leadership of our nation. This mistrust is not only of the Right (or Reich- very clever!), but also of some on the Left. (Though primarily, my mistrust is of the Republican party, having so eagerly climbed into bed with the Neo-Conservatives in the 80's. Now look at the social diseases the once-honored GOP has caught.) As Steve Tyler says, you lay down with the dogs, you wake up with the fleas.
So I gave up my self-description as an Independent when I renewed my driver's license here in upstate NY and became a grass-roots Democrat, bent on guiding the lesser of two evils to its former honored position back, waaay back, to the Left. I am a proud Liberal, wanting to restore our nation and its Constitution to its former glory, strength and good world-standing. I hate that I have to wait for 2008/2009 until major steps might be taken. Baby steps now,but I'll be there and ready when the time comes.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:03 PM
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86. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:57 AM
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72. I wouldn't be surprised. I'll believe almost anyone over BushCo
They are proven liars.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:23 PM
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75. They are also War Criminals
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:26 PM
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76. they need another icon like 911
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:22 PM
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77. You know - that columnist from USAToday who wrote about me can kiss my ass
I swore the London incident that happened right after Lieberman's primary loss was a tad bit suspicious. And I believe they haven't found anything on these guys AND some of them didn't even have passports yet.

And yet that asshole made fun of me saying "LynneSin must not watch much cable news"

Damn proud I don't watch it!!
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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 09:16 AM
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95. Another failed attempt to "unify the nation"
Oh, what these Bushies won't sink to.
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