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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:45 AM
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Bush claims exemption from his oversight order
Source: LA Times

WASHINGTON -- The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney's office, President Bush's office is exempt from a presidential order requiring government agencies that handle classified national security information to submit to oversight by an independent federal watchdog.

The executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 covers all government agencies that are part of the executive branch and, although it doesn't specifically say so, was not meant to apply to the vice president's office or the president's office, a White House spokesman said.

The issue flared up Thursday when Rep. Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., criticized Cheney for refusing to file annual reports with the National Archives and Records Administration, spelling out how his office handles classified documents, or to submit to an inspection by the archives' Information Security Oversight Office.

(snip)

Bush issued the directive in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way of ensuring that the nation's secrets would not be mishandled, made public, or improperly declassified.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cheney23jun23,0,863839.story?coll=la-home-center
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:49 AM
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1. Let me see if I have this right-
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 12:50 AM by Kool Kitty
now Bush is saying he doesn't have to comply with HIS OWN oversight order?

So they really do believe that all the laws of this country pertain to everyone but them. That would make them dictators.

Is Sunday too early to start impeachment proceedings?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:53 AM
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2. It's total legal BS intended to cover Cheney's rear end over his claims
Cheney's claim is such complete garbage that it has no chance of standing unless Bush does this. It's an amazing case of the tail wagging the dog.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:24 AM
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3. it still doesn't stand
Vp is executive branch and subject to oversight. Period.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:27 AM
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4. I agree. And besides this would be unprecedented
Laws and executive orders alike are what the words say they are, not what the writer imagines them to be. If you have a problem with that, you pass a new law or write a new order. None of this after the fact BS.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:48 PM
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21. Aw, hell: You know DICK is the FOURTH branch of government ...
ALL BY HIMSELF.
He surpasses the "fourth estate," the so-called fourth branch, because they only do entertainment these days.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:55 AM
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14. To hell with impeachment hearings...drag them out by the seat
of their pants and toss them out in the street like common drunks...
which they are. (brushes off hands)

By the way agent Mike...I'm not advocating throwing over the government.
I'm just suggesting tossing out the two worst as*holes in the building)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:05 AM
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15. Apparently. "although it doesn't specifically say so". .
I guess he was THINKING "except me and my monkey" when he signed it.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:19 AM
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5. Oh Man!
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 02:20 AM by MrPrax
The White House said... it's exempt from a 'presidential order"???

OK...you guys are fucked

Ds Rs whatever...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:46 AM
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6. Bush claims oversight exemption too (new headline when clicked link)


Bush claims oversight exemption too
The White House says the president's own order on classified data does not apply to his office or the vice president's.
By Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writer
June 23, 2007
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:49 AM
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7. "It does take a little bit of inference," Fratto said.---Twisted logic is more like it!!



......The White House disagrees, Fratto said.

"We don't dispute that the ISOO has a different opinion. But let's be very clear: This executive order was issued by the president, and he knows what his intentions were," Fratto said. "He is in compliance with his executive order."

Fratto conceded that the lengthy directive, technically an amendment to an existing executive order, did not specifically exempt the president's or vice president's offices. Instead, it refers to "agencies" as being subject to the requirements, which Fratto said did not include the two executive offices. "It does take a little bit of inference," Fratto said.

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' government secrecy project, disputed the White House explanation of the executive order.

He noted that the order defines "agency" as any executive agency, military department and "any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information" — which, he said, includes Bush's and Cheney's offices........
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ChicagoRonin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:48 AM
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8. "Quis custodiet ipsos custodie?"
“Who watches the watchman?"
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:59 AM
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9. Bush claims exemption from his oversight order
Source: Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON — The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney's office, President Bush's office is exempt from a presidential order requiring government agencies that handle classified national security information to submit to oversight by an independent federal watchdog.

The executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 covers all government agencies that are part of the executive branch and, although it doesn't specifically say so, was not meant to apply to the vice president's office or the president's office, a White House spokesman said.

The issue flared up Thursday when Rep. Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., criticized Cheney for refusing to file annual reports with the National Archives and Records Administration, spelling out how his office handles classified documents, or to submit to an inspection by the archives' Information Security Oversight Office.

The archives, a federal agency, has been pressing the vice president's office to cooperate with its oversight efforts for the past several years, contending that by not doing so, Cheney and his staff have created a potential national security risk.



Read more: http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/latimes227.htm



Do as I do not as I say, eh Shrub?

First Shooter says he is not part of the Executive Branch of government, now GW says he is not subject to rules as applied to the Executive Branch because he has chosen to exclude...himself???

Can you imagine that conversation in the mirror?

"You can't do that to me --- oh yes I can, I'm the decider!"
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:59 AM
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10. Oops - duplicate thread
Mods please combine :)

Thanks
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:59 AM
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11. This famous quote was quite a harbinger of the future. Little did we know.
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long
as I'm the dictator."- the decider


See CNN transcript from 12/18/2000 http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/
<http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/>
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html
<http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html>
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:13 AM
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12. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier,
just so long as I'm the dictator." Boosh, December 18, 2000

You're almost there, Boosh.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:13 AM
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13. "Heh, heh - I call it the 'null executive theory', ya see ...
... We've been pushin' this 'unitary executive theory' for some time now, 'bout how any kind of decision has to be made by my office, an' there ain't no one who can tell me otherwise. But now, we need to move to the 'null executive theory', because some of those decisions are catchin' up on us - so it looks like we need to show there ain't no such thing as an 'executive' after all. Jus' think of it like that cat in 'Alice in Wonderland' - when you think you saw somethin', it just gradually starts to disappear - total amnesia in the Justice Department, so they can't have been there at all, an' can't have done anything illegal; no records about the Veep, so it looks like he never existed, and his energy task force sure didn't, ya get ma drift? An' finally, there's just a little cheesy grin left of li'l ol' me, so I can be to blame for anythin' either, understand? But don' you worry, the grin'll stay long enough to tell you what to do. It's jus' that no-one has ever sent a grin to jail before, so I reckon I'm safe like that ..."

</dubya>
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:11 PM
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16. He doesn't follow any other laws, why should he follow his own? nt
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:27 PM
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17. Gonzo gets to issue the next opinion on this, right? I think I heard that
Friday or Thursday on one of the talk shows or a news program, that the issue will be referred to the AG's office. Like that is going to do anything other than cause a delay in submitting the issue for Bush's SCOTUS to review. (Who's next after the AG?)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:49 PM
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18. When bushwad is out of office -- lock up all electronic and paper documents
Prevent removal. President should issue an executive order prohibiting the Bush 41 library from receiving any work product during Bush 41's administration.

AND prohibit the financing of the library when it is built.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:57 PM
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19. He's not an elected official in a consitutional democracy. He's right!
Kings aren't subject to oversight.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:43 PM
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20. Hey, Rahm! Can we de-fund the office of the president, too?
Just sayin' ...
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 01:35 AM
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22. I think Cheney may have the right idea. Just 'disappear' the last 6 1/2 years,
declare it all null and void, invalidate the stolen elections, rescind all Bush Junta appointments (heh, heh, heh) and every law Bush has signed (or unsigned). And start over.

I'd be willing to finance their south sea island retreat, if that was the bargain.

I know, I know, some people want community service--Bushites condemned to lifetimes of cleaning bedpans in veterans' hospitals being a favorite--but if you could erase the last 6 1/2 years--I mean really erase it--couldn't you give up your revenge scenarios? To be rid of Scalia and Roberts? And the fascist half of the federal bench? To not have to consider the Bush Junta as American history? To never have a battleship named the "USS Junior" or "USS *"? To be able to declare to the world: "Nothing to do with us. Didn't happen."? And get on with peace and justice, and saving the planet? To not have the threat of Hillary (or anybody) becoming president with precedents of "signing statements," torture, indefinite detention, domestic spying and preemptive war still in place, not disavowed? Erase it all! Burn their papers! (--whatever we can find.) Burn the 'Patriot Act'? Burn their letters! Wipe their harddrives clean. Exile them to the island, and forget that it ever happened. What blessed relief it would be, no?

That's what Cheney is thinking now. And I think I agree. And one other amusing benefit: We could have a *Presidential Library that is completely blank. No papers. No weighty tomes. No dreadful research tasks for poor graduate students having to wade through all that shite. Blank walls. No shelves. No computers. No *art. No *photos. No *portraits. No *memorabilia. And on the front of the building, where the emblazoned name of the Library would be, just one big *. Ha-ha!

It could be used as a meditation center. And people would be given one koan as they entered--to mull over as they sit and stare at the blank walls--that goes like this: "I am the Decider."
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 06:43 AM
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24. Nice idea ... be sure to let us know when ...
... you find out how to resurrect all of the men, women & children who
have been unlawfully killed during that period, to attach the limbs that
were forcibly removed as a side-effect of Bush/Cheney's empire-building
plans, and to replace the accumulated nightmares of people around the
world who have suffered in the last 6 1/2 years since the USA elected
its current leadership team.

Failing that, buy a couple of ropes.
Bet I know which solution will work.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:27 AM
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23. I really object to sentences like this that pollute corporate news stories:
"Bush issued the directive in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way of ensuring that the nation's secrets would not be mishandled, made public, or improperly declassified." --L.A. Times (in the above article)

This is stated as fact--that Bush intended, by this "directive," to ensure "that the nation's secrets would not be mishandled, made public, or improperly declassified."

I seriously doubt the truth of this assertion. And it should be reported as an assertion by Bush, not as fact. Indeed, the evidence is that Bush and his junta have gravely MIS-handled "the nation's secrets," and the entire matter of government secrecy, using it to cover up crimes and theft, that they have grossly misclassified government documents, and have selectively leaked "the nation's secret" for political and criminal purposes.

Our war profiteering corporate news monopolies FREQUENTLY do this--state Bushite assertions as fact, and fail to question their misuse of the basic premises of democratic government--that the government is functioning normally, and not like a criminal gang.

Something Gen. Taguba said, in his recent disclosures about Abu Ghraib in the New Yorker--should give us pause, and should--in an atmosphere of honest and truth-seeking journalism--give every journalist pause, and it is this: When Taguba was prevented from investigating higher ups in the torture scandal (including Rumsfeld), he said he felt like the Pentagon had become the mafia.

Now go back and read this sentence again: "Bush issued the directive in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way of ensuring that the nation's secrets would not be mishandled, made public, or improperly declassified."

How do we know he was not in on the "Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks"? There is considerable evidence that he may have been.

If, at the very least, Bush capitalized on the "Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks" to drag us into the unjust, illegal, heinous war on Iraq, to get control of that country's oil, and further capitalized on fear and terror to shred the U.S. Constitution, and seriously erode civil and human rights, and to militarize and Nazify our country, and to drive up a $10 trillion deficit to fill the pockets of war profiteers and the super-rich--all of which have become patently obvious--then the starting premise of the sentence is completely wrong: that anything Bush did "in response" to this terrorist incident should be presumed to be beneficial, or aimed at "keeping us safe," or bears any good or lawful intention claimed by Bush.

The assumption that Bush has done anything for the reason he says he did needs to be challenged. There is too much evidence to the contrary--that he is a congenital liar, and has ulterior and very destructive motives ALL OF THE TIME.

This practice of presuming straightforward or well-intentioned motives in Bush's actions is similar to the practice of the "he/she said" article, when it is reporting egregious lies or utterly absurd legal or political arguments by Bushites, as if they were a reasonable position, about which reasonable people can disagree. The science of evolution, and global warming, come to mind as obvious examples. Also, the absurd Bushite position that, "if the President does it, it is not illegal," or that the President is invested with legislative powers to write his own laws, by some outlandish Gonzo "doctrine" call "the unitary executive," or, recently the position of Bushite legal eagles that Valerie Plame was not a covert agent, or that Patrick Fitzgerald did not have the authority to prosecute Libby. All these crazy, twisted, ridiculous arguments of a tiny minority of rightwing fanatics, are reported with a straight face, and, while they may add a quote by someone who "disagrees" ("critics of this argument say..."), they INVEST this nonsense with dignity and the aura of reasonableness by the WAY THEY REPORT IT.

I am not kidding when I say that we need to question EVERY WORD in war profiteering corporate news monopoly articles. The fascist views of their owners and their fatcat billionaire CEOs are often inserted in this sneaky way. Beware of it!

Here's a way to re-write their story in your head, that may help clear your mind--just substitute the phrase "the crime boss who claims to be president" for Bush, wherever Bush's name appears, thus: "The crime boss who claims to be president issued the directive in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way of ensuring that the nation's secrets would not be mishandled, made public, or improperly declassified."

Doesn't that make more sense?

And you might then want to add words like "alleged," thus: "The crime boss who claims to be president issued the directive in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks ALLEGEDLY as a way of ensuring that the nation's secrets would not be mishandled, made public, or improperly declassified."

Doesn't that get closer to the truth?
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