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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:06 PM
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E-voting firm reports computer break-in
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3825143/


"BELLEVUE, Wash. - A company developing encryption-based software for secure electronic voting has itself become the victim of a computer break-in, the company’s top executive told MSNBC.com. Federal authorities have confirmed that the incident is under investigation."

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:07 PM
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1. paper ballots are the way to go!!
forget about all this expensive and insecure hi-tech stuff. I think we should just stick with paper ballots. Canada does it and they are doing just fine.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:15 PM
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2. The electronic voting industry is
part of the corporate republican culture. Diebold and ES&S are republican owned. They are republican cronies. It is all about money.
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picus9 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:16 PM
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3. Bush and Co are behind it.
Dig deeper and you'll see they want the schematics so they can tamper with all of the e-votes on election night.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:21 PM
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4. If they handed out copies of the schematics...
...and a full listing of all the source code, they'd be on track to a much better security situation. The government did this just a few years ago when the they picked a new encryption algorithm (From 3DES to Rijndael/AES). You see, secure algorithms are supposed to be secure EVEN if you know how they work.

Security by obscurity is no security at all.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:34 PM
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5. People should vote by absentee ballot, there is no way to avoid a paper
trail. I wrote to the Dean campaign last night, suggesting that he encourage it in states that refuse to have a paper receipt.
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picus9 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:51 PM
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6. Is that like Norton Antivirus?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:57 PM
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7. Are you asking about an 'encryption algoritm'?
If so, no. An encryption algorithm is the method that is used to encode messages so that they can't be read or heard without the password. You know, secret codes.

When they switch to a new one, like in the '90's, they allow EVERYONE to look at *how* it encodes the information. That way, the theory is that if there are any flaws, someone will probably find them before the algorithm is put into use.

A secure algorithm is always secure as long as the passcode is secret -- it's not supposed to matter whether someone know 'how' the information is encoded. As long as they don't have the passcode, it can't be decoded (at least in theory, within a reasonable amount of time, in any case).
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:11 PM
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8. Don't forget to vote on the poll!!...n/t
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:30 PM
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9. Shocked! I am shocked, I tell ya...
Who would have ever thought that such a thing could happen?
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:53 PM
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10. My theory....
Folks...there's another way that these reich-wing goons could take
our country away from us for good...a sinister way.
Imagine if you will, the selection taking place...people are "voting"
electronically...the votes are being tallied...the pundits are
speculating...

Then, a news flash comes across every screen: "Break in detected!
Elections might be compromised!"

All hell breaks loose since there are NO paper trails...NONE. This
is a FACT.
Then, the reich-wing masters start to spin it...slowly but speeding
up to a serious accusation: this breakin was political... It appears
that the dems were losing...badly...and they decided to "turn the
tables" in their favor.
Counter-accusations fly...

Where will you be? Will you fight...? Or will you allow them to
declare the democratic party of the United States of America...
traitors...?

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:23 AM
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17. Fascism will be met with resistance.
That is all I'll say.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:38 AM
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11. soo.......
....how is it that we have a lot of trouble getting the press to cover verified voting issues, but this item is covered? Who alerted MSNBC to the crime? This makes me suspicious.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:47 AM
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12. Do I smell a little CYA going on
What thief tries to steal or break into computer software for voting machines? (hint; could only sound to theiven politcians to me). After all, who are you going to sell them to after they realize they are stolen anyway
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101 Proof Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:27 AM
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13. I don't understand why we're moving towards this electronic voting...
Now every election can be rigged or hacked for a certain person to win. I'd rather stick with paper voting. That way, it leaves a trail.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:41 AM
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14. Check the daytimers
of Republican staffers. Probably the same little dweeb that broke into congressional Democrat's computers.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:28 AM
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15. Isn't VoteHere also Repub owned?
This could very well be CYA, and send up a Red Herring to distract from the insecure Diebold, et al code. Too much at stake, so the republicans will do anything to distract from the Holt/Graham legislation before Congress. This is also released when Congress is on break, timed perfectly to place blame on the Dem party who has the guts to introduce this bi-partisan issue. In the article they also mention VoteHere has connections to Sequoia, who is also fighting paper ballots. To those keeping track on DU over the last 12 months would have known about their relationship to Sequoia. Why this story is breaking now about the hack is very suspicious.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:22 AM
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16. This is a set-up.
Mark my words, though you may disagree at this point in time: this is an inside job. I smell "black bag operation" all over this. I wouldn't be surprised if Wackenhut, the CIA's fave mercs-for-hire, pulled this one. My gut also tells me this MSNBC piece is a planted one.

The wind-up...
Adler’s revelation came amid a deepening debate over e-voting and its vulnerability to election fraud — and a controversy over surreptitious methods to get information about how e-voting software works.
...and the pitch.
Adler said his company has “seen some connection” between the criticism of e-voting systems and October’s computer break-in, but he declined to go into specifics.

“I don’t want to necessarily politicize this,” he said. “This is just a crime.”
The expected Grand Slam:
He said the intruder took advantage of a network security hole “that we were a patch behind on.” While gaining entry, the intruder set off an electronic “trip wire” that alerted VoteHere, he said. Federal authorities were immediately told of the break-in, Adler said, and the intruder’s activities were monitored as part of the investigation. Then access was blocked.

The investigation is being conducted by the Washington Cyber Task Force, a Seattle-based effort that involves the FBI, the U.S. Secret Service and local law-enforcement officials. Spokesmen for the FBI and the Secret Service confirmed to MSNBC.com that an investigation was under way but declined to comment further.

Adler said he was discussing the incident even though the investigation is not finished because “we believe that others in the election industry should be aware of it.” He declined to say what kind of information the intruder might have taken, but emphasized that the break-in did not compromise the integrity of VoteHere’s software or any voting results.
They're going after the anti-BBV movement, us activists, and people like Bev Harris (who, I believe, is in Washington state). Here's the clincher:
Some e-voting companies contend that their software code is proprietary and must remain secret, leading critics to charge that voters would be entrusting their ballots to a “black box.”
Here's the scenario: VoteHere stages a hack of its own valuable system (very Rove-esque), mentions the break-in and "avoids" politicizing it, while actually underlining anti-BBVers as the target - a warning to activists to lay off or else. Meanwhile, the credibility of all the work we've done is damaged, our collective reputation is tarnished, even if no one's ever arrested for the alleged break-in.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Tell me, why would VoteHere risk potential theft of "...things that are proprietary, like people’s salaries and their HR history" by allowing ongoing illegal access while recording the intrusion? Anyone? One reason VoteHere may have sat back and monitored: to provide an 'evidence' trail (probably forged) of the break-in, just as a backup in case the scare tactic doesn't deter us.

Lastly, note the following:
The mere fact that someone was able to gain unauthorized access to an e-voting company’s computer network might lead some to question the security of e-voting. But Adler said cryptographic voting systems are able to weather such intrusions.

“It’s true that systems would always be compromised,” he said. “The point is, you want to know about it. ... If you can detect when those things happen, that’s what’s vitally important. Any ballots that get compromised will get detected, and that’s what’s crucial.”
Ah-HA! "Ballots", he says, not "votes". Every physical ballot that is affected will be detected, but you can bet the unseen votes can get compromised from now until never - and no compromise will be detected.

Even the "...we were a patch behind on” line works double-duty - it makes VoteHere seem as if it's always vigilantly trying to keep everything secure, and it also reinforces the image of a malicious hacker, exploiting his way into the system.

Sneaky bastard.



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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:52 AM
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18. "very Rove-esque" indeed...
Rove is the all time master of the self-laceration type dirty trick. Thanks for the heads up. :thumbsup:
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