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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:26 PM
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Moseley Braun reportedly set to quit campaign (Article)CONFIRMED W/Campagn
Edited on Wed Jan-14-04 11:30 PM by khephra
Moseley Braun reportedly set to quit campaign

MSNBC
Updated: 11:13 p.m. ET Jan. 14, 2004

Carol Moseley Braun, the former senator and ambassador who waged a spirited but poorly financed insurgent campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, intends to withdraw from the race, according to MSNBC sources.

MSNBC has confirmed with Patricia Ireland, Moseley-Braun's campaign manager, that the candidate will formally withdraw on Thursday and endorse Howard Dean at an event at an Iowa high school. Moseley Braun received 3 percent in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal Democratic presidential trial heat.

more............

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3962175/

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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:28 PM
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1. Too bad. She's smart, talented and very well qualified.
She brought up some important issues in her campaign.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:32 PM
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2. Unfortunate
I wonder if we'll ever see a woman president in my lifetime? :shrug:
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:50 AM
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39. Sorry, she didn't have a snowball's chance in hell
A woman and African American, no way. However, some day; America gets closer each time and she was a fine example of both. She demonstrated she had everything one needs to do the job and some day, because of the effort she and others like her have done, America will elect a woman because they will know she is the best choice. We all know she certainly would be a better leader than the one in the white house today. Any of the democratic candidates would do a better job than bush, but only the strongest survive, and I agree with her that Dean is the best choice to take America forward at this time.
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:32 PM
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3. Too bad. My stepmother wanted to vote for her.
She won't make it to New Mexico.

However, she's endorsing Dean! Awesome!

My wife and I think Carol's great. She ought to be in the Cabinet or back in the Senate.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:41 PM
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5. She was on Tavis Smiley
show tonight but I got no whiff she was quitting. She is a very talented and bright person and will go on to do great things perhaps in a Dean cabinet. I am happy she is giving support to Dean.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:40 PM
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4. Yes, its official
Saw it on local TV news

Good for Dean and good for her!!

I wish them both well!!
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:42 PM
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6. Ms. Braun would make one helluva VP
and maybe open the door for a run at the presidency in 2012!

How great would that be? A liberal, African-American female President!

I can just hear Dick Cheney's heart seizing at the very thought of it.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:47 PM
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9. She'd kill the ticket,
even though I don't think she personally did anything wrong her name is tainted.

I don't think a ticket with her name on it could carry IL, and we need IL to win the WH.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:32 AM
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49. too many skeletons in Illinois
Unfortunately for Carol, there's a reason why she only served one term in the Senate. There's dirt in IL just waiting for be flung at her.
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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:42 PM
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7. So much for Al Sharpton and his HATE Dean campaign......nt
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:42 PM
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8. She's "young" and I bet she'll try it again!
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:49 PM
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10. I hope she does.
She added a lot to the campaign.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:53 PM
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11. About time...
Sorry, but I can't say I'm sad to see her go.

It's always nice to have some more people in the race, but the vanity candidates are finally starting to drop out.

She had no chance in the world of even picking up a iota of delegates, so why did she stay in?

Also, she's pretty far to the center in the party (despite her "public" claims to the contrary) and her past is also questionable at best.

She was my first "pick" for the drop out session, and it seems to have panned out. Now to see if Edwards is next, then I'll be 2 for 2...(I'm not "hatin" on Edwards, I just feel his campaign is probably the next to go)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:27 AM
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22. What about Graham?
He dropped our first, right?
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:13 AM
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33. Post-Graham drop out, sorry...Graham was kinda an anomaly
My assessments are post-Graham. Though I respect the man, his campaign was little more than an exploratory committee that went too far.
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DEM FAN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:59 PM
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12. Paging Joe Lieberman. Paging Joe Lieberman. wink wink.
;-)
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:30 AM
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27. No, we want Joe to stay in through NH
It's a 3 way race for 2nd in NH between him, Kerry and Clark. He doesn't have enough support to win NH but he has enough to make it impossible for either Kerry or Clark to really challenge Dean there. Joe serves an important purpose in NH. ;)
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:05 AM
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13. I like her very much!
She's been such a breath of fresh air!

I hope Dean wins and finds a place in his administration for her. And this is not the first time I've thought or said this.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:13 AM
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14. I am so sad.
I love Carol Moseley-Braun. She has been an excellent candidate. She was always a highlight of all of the debates.

I will miss her dearly. But, I'm glad she is now supporting Howard Dean. Perhaps he can appoint her to a post in his cabinet?

:-(

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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:18 AM
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15. Secretary of State? Maybe?
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:22 AM
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18. No. That's reserved for William Jefferson Clinton!
:D

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demobandit Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:21 AM
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17. I really couldn't stand the woman.
Nothing personal about her, but she just doesn't seem ready for a run at President. Why doesn't she try back in Illinois or something.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:28 AM
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25. Welcome to Du, demobandit on your very first post!
She has added a lot to this campaign. She was against going to war in Iraq. She is very progressive on social issues. She is extremely articulate and engaging on all of the issues.

I would love to see her in a leadership role. We need her!

:kick:
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:20 AM
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16. We're dancing around the TV set
Waaahoooo, thank you, thank you CMB. You were great at the last debate!

Moseley Braun To Drop Out Of Presidential Race, Endorse Dean
Endorsement Expected To Come Thursday

POSTED: 11:51 p.m. EST January 14, 2004
UPDATED: 11:52 p.m. EST January 14, 2004
DES MOINES, Iowa -- Former ambassador and Sen. Carol Moseley Braun plans to drop out of the presidential race.

Sources said she will endorse Howard Dean. Officials close to the Dean campaign confirmed they expect the endorsement to come Thursday. The officials said Braun approached Dean after a recent debate and told him she was considering leaving the race and backing him.

Dean campaign officials declined comment.

One of two black candidates, Braun is giving Dean her endorsement even as he has faced questions about his record on race issues. That includes not having any minorities as members of his cabinet while he was governor for 12 years
More ...
http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/politics/2766431/detail.html
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:23 AM
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19. Think Sharpton's crap was too much for her?
In the last debate?
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demobandit Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:25 AM
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20. Sharpton needs to be next...
The man brings nothing to the table. All he does is come up with silly little one liners. This is the Presidency were talking about not stand up comedy.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:27 AM
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23. Compared with what we have now? He is tre-presidential... welcome
to du.
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demobandit Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:28 AM
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26. Thanks for the welcome Scooter...
Its nice to talk with like minded people
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:59 AM
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31. Hot Damn! A democrat in King City?
:D :thumbsup:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:12 AM
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32. I disagree
Sharpton has a loyal following and has re-energized some democrats. Sure, he doesn't have a prayer, but people ARE listening to his one-liners and cheering him for it. Sharpton's greatest value is to help bring out the vote.

Slap the donkey!
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:33 AM
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46. Sharpton is Excellent! He Brings A Hell Of A Lot To The Debate.
he's made all the debates entertaining with his one liners! The man tells it like it is.. When he does drop out though, I hope he backs Dean!!

We're goin' all the way to the white house!!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:25 AM
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21. I like CMB
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 12:28 AM by Oregonian
But I like her even more now that she's endorsed the Doctor. So much for the "Dean can't attract minorities" B.S.

She and Dean always had a good chemistry. Anyone see them dancing together at that big Iowa Democratic rally (where Hillary appeared) a few months ago? Cute.
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demobandit Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:27 AM
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24. I agree with Oregonian...
She at least knows when to give up and throw her support to the man who will most likely have the best chances against President Bush.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:33 AM
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28. CMB IS NICE, BUT WON'T HELP DEAN IN IOWA
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:36 AM
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29. CMB is great! More from CNN
And I disagree. She is a fantastic endorsement. We'll see on Monday, eh?

Braun to drop out, endorse Dean
Front-runner Dean says Clark a Republican

Thursday, January 15, 2004 Posted: 12:15 AM EST (0515 GMT)


A Democratic source said Moseley Braun "felt like it was time to hand it over to someone who can win."

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun -- trailing badly in the polls -- will drop out of the Democratic race for president and will endorse front-runner Howard Dean, Democratic sources told CNN late Wednesday.
The sources said Braun and Dean will hold an event Thursday in Carroll, Iowa, where she will throw her support behind the former Vermont governor.
"It's true. Carol felt like she had done what she needed to do," a Democratic source said. "She did herself a lot of good in this race.
"She ran a good race and now she felt like it was time to hand it over to someone who can win. Those are the feelings that were expressed to me this evening."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/15/elec04.prez.main/index.html
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:46 AM
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30. And from Faux News (cause I like using my Faux graphic)

Moseley Braun to Quit Presidential Race
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Former Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun is ending her historic presidential bid, Fox News has confirmed. Campaign officials for Howard Dean told Fox News she intends to endorse the former Vermont governor.

With the clock winding down to the nation’s first presidential caucus in Iowa next week, Moseley Braun’s withdrawal winnows the crowded field of Democratic contenders to eight. The only major black woman presidential candidate in history, her decision to throw her support behind Dean may prove a helpful boost in what has been a week of fever-pitch attacks against, and missteps by, the front-runner.
More ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108454,00.html

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:39 AM
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34. Faux is wrong! Shirley Chisholm was the first African American woman...
Moseley Braun’s withdrawal winnows the crowded field of Democratic contenders to eight. The only major black woman presidential candidate in history

Shirley Chisholm was the first African American woman to run for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 1972.

Many of the McGovern supporters wanted her as VP. McGovern played it safe (and traditional) and picked Senator Thomas Eagleton as his running mate, who failed to disclose his life-long struggle with depression including the fact that he had undergone the barbaric shock therapy.

If you are old enough to remember Shirley, you certainly still remember her infectious smile, her sharp intellect, and her great speeches.

Shirley Chisholm biography

During her first term in Congress, Chisholm hired an all-female staff and spoke out for civil rights, women's rights, the poor and against the Vietnam War. In 1970, she was elected to a second term. She was a sought-after public speaker and cofounder of the National Organization for Women (NOW). She remarked that, "Women in this country must become revolutionaries. We must refuse to accept the old, the traditional roles and stereotypes."

On January 25, 1972, Chisholm announced her candidacy for president. She stood before the cameras and in the beginning of her speech she said,

"I stand before you today as a candidate for the Democratic nomination for the Presidency of the United States. I am not the candidate of black America, although I am black and proud. I am not the candidate of the women's movement of this country, although I am a woman, and I am equally proud of that. I am not the candidate of any political bosses or special interests. I am the candidate of the people."

http://nh.essortment.com/shirleychisholm_ruol.htm
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:08 AM
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35. dang it.
somebody mentioned Barbara Jordan the other night at the Kucinich meeting and I said "Oh yeah, she ran for president" DOH! What's the second thing that goes?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:47 AM
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38. The first African-American woman to run for President was Red
Charlene Mitchell was the 1968 Presidential candidate of the Communist Party.


Charlene Mitchell

Charlene is the Committee of Correspondence's founding National Coordinator. She serves as national co-chair of the National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression, the organization that grew out of the campaign to free Angela Davis. As Communist Party candidate in 1968, she was the first African American woman to run for president. Currently, Charlene works for an AFSCME union local in New York City.

http://www.cofc.org/htm/charlene.htm
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:11 AM
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36. very important to quit before voting commences
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 03:13 AM by tinanator
If you want to parlay your attributes into a payback from the presumed house master. She's a corporatist, pro invasion and pro occupationist who doesnt deserve the time of day from principled voters. Really. I wish her the worst. After all, she just came in 3rd in WDC's non binding symbolic contest. Thats not a good thing, I guess? Worse than a sell out, she's bad product.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:44 AM
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37. Your post does highlight several facts about CMB that many ignore on DU
Everyone likes the fact that a black woman is running for Pres, so that gets her a free pass on a lot of issues....it's true, it's true.

I'd vote for Lieberman before I'd vote for CMB and that's saying a lot for me.

She's scary, and her past is suspect at best. I wouldn't trust her with anything after her known association with war criminals as an ambassador and misappropriation of election funds. (No, these aren't Limbaugh "talking points" they're the truth, face it.)

No, I'm not sad to see her go, maybe now we can get down to the real candidates.

And I pity the day the actual nominee gives CMB a place in their cabinet, it would be the mistake of the new century.


Also, (No, I'm not a racist, and damn it, don't assume I'm "white" just becaue I don't like CMB. I've gotten that too often here on DU...)
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:13 AM
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40. carol is a sweetheart
I have read all the "bad stuff" re: Carol Moseley Braun. It seems to me she was taken advantage of by people whom she had reason to trust. Her meetings with dictators is not unusual for diplomats of any race or political conviction. You can either talk with them...or you can bomb them into the stone age. I'm still not convinced she's done anything wrong. I really find her refreshingly bright and honest. She would make a great cabinet member in any administration. Her endorsement of Dean will help him with the black community at large. I will miss her gracious presence in the coming campaigns.


http://www.650keni.com/ortega.html

PS Hi Kephra...Pick up Paul Kirkland's "Invincible" if you get the chance it's just getting interesting :)!
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:16 AM
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41. talk with dictators, bomb the peasants
COME ON!!! She is pro occupation, which is pro-US troops dying in large numbers for the benefit of both BFEE and corporations in general. Fuck her.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:23 AM
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42. And every other candidate except DK? (nt)
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:02 AM
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47. excellent point
they are a bunch of imperial zionists, arent they?
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:34 AM
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50. Define "zionist"
and kindly link to a source.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:39 AM
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51. hell if i know
but AIPAC backed candidates and military types/pro-occupationists will NOT bring an end to the real source of instability in the middle east and throughout the world. Let alone peace and justice. So assuming that is correct, a vote for Dean or Clark is a vote for bin Laden/Bush. You could do the right thing of course, and vote for the one chance you have. Unless, of course you intend to retire on a kibbutz.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:58 AM
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52. If you don't know what a word means, stop using it
I, for one, find the way that you have been using it offensive, especially in light of what it actually does mean.

BTW, what is the "real source of instability in the middle east and throughout the world?"
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:55 PM
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55. Israeli aggression and oppression
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 08:59 PM by tinanator
what the hell do you think?
And yes, that is going to be continually supported by both Dean (duh) and Clark, if either one could unseat the unelected ruler of the world.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:28 PM
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53. Again
What, in your opinion, is the "real source of instability in the middle east and throughout the world?"
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:55 PM
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56. I'm sorry
did I go to work and make you wait?
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:57 PM
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57. merriam webster dictionary
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 09:15 PM by tinanator
adj a theory, plan, or movement for setting up a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine

What I thought it meant. What did YOU think it meant?
Why would you need a link?
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:32 AM
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43. twisting in the wind (a warm breeze indeed)...
Your passion on the subject is obvious. I think her position can be interpreted in another way. We have blown up Iraq and cut off her head. If we were to just pull out we would be responsible for the chaos that would undoubtedly ensue. She did not approve of the invasion initially...but that dog is already running loose. So now we have a moral obligation to at least stay until we have stabilized the society that WE have blown apart. I know it's a tough call. Certainly Bush and company will not be the ones to stabilize Iraq. So we have to stand together to elect someone who will.


http://650keni.com/ortega.html
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 02:38 PM
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59. or maybe its
thousands have died already, and many more will hence. Why not take advantage of the situation?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:44 AM
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44. Thank You Carol!
Her campaign should have no regrets and should be proud of what they did with the limited resources they had.

and the Dean endorsement is a good thing!



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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:30 AM
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45. when you think
I'm actually impressed with how far she went on so little money
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:11 AM
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48. Great for Dean and Carol too!
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 09:12 AM by sonias
I love Carol Moseley-Braun and I think she did an excellent job presenting herself as an intelligent strong woman. She was an inspiration to all women. We have to challenge that "men only club" thing at every turn. I thank Carol for that.

Carol knew it was time to quit and she was successful at getting her message out. No one can call her campaign a failure.

I also think she would make an awesome cabinet member and I sincerely hope that Dean would appoint her, should he win the presidency.

Cheers to Carol Moseley-Braun :toast:

Sonia
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 06:24 PM
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54. So it wasn't our imagination when we
thought Carol was being so nice to Dean!

Go Carol and thank you! :toast:
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:39 PM
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58. Braun Endorsement May Hurt Dean in Iowa
Surprisingly, the new Research 2000 poll on Iowa released today shows that while Carol Mosely Braun has a 11% approval rating in Iowa, she has a 28% disapproval rating. There would seem to be some latent racism and/or sexism reflected in that disapproval rating. It does, however, raise the question of whether her endorsement will help or hurt Dean in Iowa.

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