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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:28 PM
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Oil prices fall by more than $5
Source: BBC

The impact of a global economic slowdown on demand for oil has caused prices to fall by more than $5, with London seeing the largest drop.

Crude oil prices fell to about $136 a barrel, well down on the record price of almost $147 set in London last week.

Leaders at the G8 meeting also called for suppliers to boost production.

The fall in the oil price helped to boost share prices in New York where the Dow Jones index closed more than 150 points, or 1.3% higher.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7496637.stm
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:32 PM
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1. I suspect that it will be short lived... I know that the Exchanges have been taking...
a major shit kicking in the last 3 weeks for sure (especially the Canadian TSX... Down a 1000 points). My thoughts are that oil will continue to rise and is probably being bogusly pushed upward... Just my opinion...
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:49 PM
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4. Seems like this happens
About once a month lately. The price goes up, then in a few weeks it comes down 5 to 10 dollars a barrel, which is what it has done in the last two days, about 9 to 10 dollars down. The big money buys it back up at the lower price, and then almost everyday after they buy it up, it goes back up a little here, a little there till it goes up "more" than the 5 to 10 dollars it dropped! Then the whole process starts over again. It's a game with these greedy people, and until they find another "scam" to make more money on, oil will be the big game on wall street. What they do with oil also helps them with other stocks. When oil goes up, the dollar drops, and the markets drop. There is a lot of stocks out there to pick up cheap, and I am sure these same guys are buying them up for when the oil bubble bursts and they need to find another game!


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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:44 AM
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25. Mmmmm..
This set me thinking, especially the monthly bit.

If you buy an oil contract most likely you don't want them to deliver the stuff. Or pay for it either.

Unfortunatly a quick search gave me this:

(snip)

Last Trading Day
Crude Oil Futures: Trading terminates at the close of business on the third business day prior to the 25th calendar day of the month proceeding the delivery month. If the 25th calendar day of the month is a non-business day, crude oil futures trading shall cease on the third business day prior to the last business day proceeding the 25th calendar day.

(snip)

http://www.tkfutures.com/crude_oil.htm





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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:40 PM
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2. It's just vaseline to ease the pain a little.
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 08:41 PM by Lastlaughin08
Don't hold your breath waiting for the prices to drop, or worse yet, order a Hummer.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 11:40 PM
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20. Right. And I wouldn't order a hybrid, either, for that matter.
Oil's trajectory is up.

As in: up, up and away.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:45 PM
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3. Iran makes a proclamation and investors breathe a sigh of relief.
All is well. Nothing to worry about. At least until tomorrow.

Sucker rally. Dead cat bounce. Short trap.

It won't last.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:53 PM
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5. I agree.
All it will take is some more rattling of the swords, someone with some clout saying prices "could" go up to $150 a barrel, or any other situation that they can use to justify the price going up again! I do think that it will burst one day, and when it does, it won't be the greedy jerks that cause the prices to go up that suffer, it will be the average guy who jumped on the oil bandwagon recently to make some money who will get hurt, just like with all the other times in the past when the bubble burst!
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:03 PM
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6. Speculators are just churning the market.
That's how they wring money out of it. Movement in either direction makes money for them.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:57 PM
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14. My thought exactly
Let's see, they've speculated the SHIT out of metals, houses, etc....
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theliberalking Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:17 PM
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7. Don't be surprised if prices fall just before the election
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 09:18 PM by theliberalking
Pre-election surprises come in all shapes and colors. Bush is capable of that kind of manipulation and more.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:39 PM
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10. Right . . . was just putting forth the same idea . . .
They may be pumping some $ into Wall St . . . ???
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:40 PM
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11. This could be the money making time for the year before the election
They satisfy their shareholders and help the election campaign later in the fall. It was dirt cheap in the fall of 04 after being quite high (for the time) for most of the spring and summer.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:45 PM
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13. that is what I was thinking too
:hi: and Welcome to the Democratic Underground theliberalking!

The way I see it is that prices may drop dramatically prior to the election in November. However, the prices will have to go up again just like it was post-Katrina.

The only question I have is how long will this last?

I've also noticed btw that I am now getting better MPG in my car which is quite odd. Seems the gasoline where I live is suddenly better. :think:

:dem:

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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:34 PM
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8. Well, I'm not going to jump up & down w/excitement unless
gas prices fall below $2.50/gallon....

Then I'll do a riverdance...
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:41 PM
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12. I'd be thrilled if it dropped below $4.00...
My business requires me to drive to remote areas to get images that may or may not sell once I make them available. Most summers, I'm on the road to the mountains or the coast every weekend. The $1.00-plus increase per gallon of gas this year has really made me much more cautious as to whether any given particular shoot will pay for itself right away. I'm sure it isn't hitting me as badly as it does, say, independent truckers, but it's still rough.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:39 PM
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9. I heard this today, plus rising Wall St market . . and wondered if
they want to ease back on their corruption a bit to make everything look a little smoother

for McCain .. ???


We'll see . . .



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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 10:04 PM
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17. That's what I thought as well:
Get gas below $3.00 a gallon for the rest of the summer, get McCain elected, raise it up to $6.00 a gallon the next day.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 12:12 AM
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21. Think they'll replace the SURPLUS . . . ah, remember peace and a surplus -- !!!
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:58 PM
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15. It went up too quick
oil can't be up $5 every day like it was for a while. I think it is still trending up, but it's maybe going to see a little correction here.

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 09:59 PM
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16. Thank God It's Over!
:eyes:

Jay
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 10:05 PM
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18. This is a bump, not a trend
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AllHereTruth Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 11:17 PM
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19. $5 per barrel!!!
Maybe ill be able to afford rent with the pennies i save per tank of gas!

THANK you Saudis!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:37 AM
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22. And of course these 4-5% daily swings all reflect supply and demand.
No speculation. Of course not. ;-)
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:40 AM
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23. Gee... from $4.599?10 to $4.559/10?
Not impressed. Why don't we invest in alternative fuels? Congress with no balls?
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shintao Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 09:34 PM
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24. Bite me once shame on me, bite twice, oh Screw it! No Oil Shortage
I think you find these articles all related and adding up to No Oil Shortage.

KEY FUNDAMENTAL: This week’s EIA report was enlightening to say the least. US refinery operating rates fell 1.6% to 81.4% of capacity. Read that again. With gasoline prices at record levels, consumers screaming for relief, congressional hearings, and an economy in or heading for recession, refineries are producing gasoline at only 81.4% of their total capacity. That is down more than 10% from just a few months ago. There are several reasons cited for this: An aging (some call antiquated) and inefficient US refinery system, a shortage of MTB (the additive refiners must include in summer gasoline) and shut downs due to seasonal maintenance. All of these could be contributing to US refineries operating at 9% lower capacity than is normal for this time of year. But they are not the main reason. The main reason is that US refineries are deliberately scaling back operations.

WE DON'T NEED OIL REFINERIES

Why would US refiners do this? The answer is, of course, money.



http://tinyurl.com/6d9f8h


UPDATE 1-Valero cuts gasoline output due to poor margins
Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:26pm EDT

NEW YORK, March 11 (Reuters) - Valero Energy Corp. (VLO.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the largest refiner in the United States, has slightly reduced gasoline production from its refineries as soaring crude prices weaken profit margins, the company's CEO said on Tuesday.

The move comes even as prices for gasoline at the pumps soar through record highs.

Bill Klesse, Valero's chairman and chief executive officer, told reporters at the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association meeting that recent negative profit margins in the Upper Midwest forced Valero to slightly curtail rates at some fluid catalytic cracking units.

"I don't feel the obligation that we have to run at a loss and our shareholders would not expect us to run at a loss," Klesse said. He added he expected profit margins to improve heading into summer, when road travel typically peaks.

Although Klesse did not specify which refineries are running at reduced rates, he noted that the Chicago gasoline crack spread -- an indication of profit margins -- was negative for much of February.

U.S. refining profitability has been running well-below the last year's levels as an economic slowdown dampens fuel consumption and oil prices vault to record heights.

http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUSN1162076820080311



1. There Is No Shortage

In fact, average gasoline reserves on hand have risen since this past October, while oil reserves in this country have gone up virtually every week this year—and only fog in the Houston Ship Channel that kept oil tankers from unloading their crude one week kept it from being every week.

In January of this year, the U.S. used 4% less petroleum than we did a year ago. (Oil demand was down 3.2% in February.) Furthermore, demand has been falling slowly since July of last year. Ronald Bailey of Reason Online has pointed out that worldwide production of oil has risen 2.5% in the first quarter, while worldwide demand has grown by only 2%.

Production is expected to increase by 3.3% in the second quarter, and by as much as 4.1% by the third quarter. The net result is that the U.S. daily buffer for oil production against demand, which was a paltry 1.5 million barrels as recently as 2005, is now up to 3 million barrels in excess capacity today.

WE DON'T NEED OIL DRILLING OR PUMPING. TOO MUCH SUPPLY - LESS DEMAND

So what is going on here? Why would our Energy Secretary say there's a supply and demand problem when none exists? Why would he say that speculators have little or nothing to do with the incredibly high price of oil and gasoline, when it's clear they do? President Bush—a former oilman—gives the ever-growing demand for gasoline as the primary reason prices are so high, yet that notion can be dispelled with one minute of research. That's the problem with rhetoric; it rarely matches the facts.

http://businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/apr2008/bw2008041_945564.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives


Blaming big oil

Two foreign companies broke ground Monday on construction of the largest oil refinery in the U.S. in the Gulf Coast town of Port Arthur.

Motiva Enterprises LLC, owned by Royal Dutch Shell and Saudi Aramco, will invest $7 billion to expand an existing refinery.

That's the biggest capital investment Texas has ever received, and it comes at a time when refiners are enjoying fat profits, state officials said.

OPEC TO SEEK CONTROL OF US PRICES BY BUILDING A TX REFINERY

At OPEC's recent summit in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, OPEC Secretary General Abdulla El-Badri faulted the big oil companies for not expanding their refineries quickly enough to keep pace with rising global demand.

He said that refiners were running at only 87 percent capacity and that this was one reason oil prices were so high.

On Monday, Mr. al-Khayyal complained about U.S. officials considering restrictions on foreign investments. But he said he hears a lot from President Bush's administration about "needing to continue our partnership."

"We have faith that the decisions made would be good for consumers," he said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/121107dnbusrefinery.2894c91.html

So you can see, no shortage of oil, demand is dropping with new fuel efficient cars, no new refineries needed. And Congress stop filling the National oil reserve which is over 95% full. Folks we have all the oil we need without drilling off shore or in ANWR. Thousands of oil wells are capped in the USA, and just awaiting a pump. The Big oil sits on leases of the biggest oil reserves in the world, right here in America, and refuse to pump from it. Congress is considering taking those leases away.


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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:03 PM
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27. Oh, NO! You mean...

You mean there really is all that oil, and they're just sitting on it!!??

Why, those BASTARDS!!!

How could they do this to me!?

(Psst -- dude, oil is so over.)

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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:41 AM
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26. Volatility:

(of prices, values, etc.) tending to fluctuate sharply and regularly: volatile market conditions.
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