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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:55 AM
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Karadzic protected by US until he broke 'deal': Belgrade report
Source: Agence France Presse

Aug 2, 2008 (AFP) - Bosnian Serb wartime leader Radovan Karadzic was protected by the United States until a CIA phone bug caught him breaking the terms of his 'deal', Serb newspaper Blic reported Saturday, quoting a US intelligence source.

Partly echoing what Karadzic himself told the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in his opening written submission, the paper claims Karadzic was secretly granted immunity in return for keeping a low profile.

"Karadzic, indicted for genocide and war crimes, was under the US protection until 2000, when the CIA intercepted his telephone conversation that clearly proved he personally chaired a meeting of his old political party," the daily quoted a "well-informed US intelligence source" as saying.

In a submission to the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), Karadzic said the US peace negotiator in Bosnia, Richard Holbrooke, had promised he would avoid trial if he withdrew from public life.



Read more: http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/newsmlmmd.92d533d2d92c327b81e763d187e807f2.981.html
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:23 AM
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1. I Wouldn't Be Surprised
And if I were Bush, I'd expect similar treatment.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:30 AM
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2. "Karadzic, indicted for genocide and war crimes, was under the US protection until 2000
When did they first "cut him a deal" ?

Must have been hiding in the same places OBL is still laying low in
/sarc
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:43 AM
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3. What did Karadzic have to offer?
If they cut him a deal, he must have info or something they considered valuable. So, what did he offer them?

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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:19 AM
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5. Stability, he's gone but the Serbs aren't upset or fighting
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:44 AM
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4. My problem with this story is that the original source for this story was Karadzic himself
And since he's proven time-and-again that he's a bald-faced liar and he's on trial in the Hague, I will err on the side that he's lying again.

As to their "well-informed US intelligence source" This source suddenly appeared after Karadzic's appearance in the Hague.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:11 AM
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6. Who was Prez when this alleged deal was brokered & agreed upon? n/t
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:23 PM
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7. Three guesses

"In a separate report by the state-run Radio Belgrade, former Bosnian Serb foreign minister Aleksa Buha claimed he witnessed the deal.
"Holbrooke strongly promised me that The Hague tribunal would be history for Karadzic if he withrdrew from politics forever," Buha told the radio.
The promise was allegedly given at a meeting in Belgrade "overnight 18 and 19 July, 1996," also attended by then Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic and foreign minister Milan Milutinovic, as well as former Bosnian Serb official Momcilo Krajisnik, Buha said."
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TOOCOOL Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:53 PM
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21. Karadzic and Islam’s Northward Push



Grisly incidents of Croat and Muslim atrocities against the Serbs rarely made it into the U.S. press, and when they did they were accorded only passing mention. Meanwhile Serb atrocities were played up and sometimes even fabricated. John Ranz, chair of Survivors of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp, usa, asks: Where were the tv cameras when hundreds of Serbs were slaughtered by Muslims near Srebrenica?

The official line, faithfully parroted in the U.S. media, is that Bosnian Serb forces committed all the atrocities at Srebrenica.

The Serbs were blamed for the infamous Sarajevo market massacre. But according to the report leaked out on French tv, Western intelligence knew that it was Muslim operatives who had bombed Bosnian civilians in the marketplace in order to induce nato involvement. Even international negotiator David Owen, who worked with Cyrus Vance, admitted in his memoir that the nato powers knew all along that it was a Muslim bomb.

Still, despite the combination of proven media bias and fabricated stories about Serb alleged atrocities, the “lies, damned lies and statistics” persist. American political commentator Mary Mostert has observed that, “With the death of Slobodan Milosevic we still are getting cartoons and stories about the ‘200,000 people’ that Milosevic supposedly killed. Only no one could find the bodies” (Renew America, March 20, 2006).


Read rest of the story http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5371.3668.0.0
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:49 PM
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9. Kosovo was Clinton's favorite war. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:03 PM
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15. And it actually went pretty well, as far as wars go, too.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:05 PM by IanDB1
I think it's because Kosovo went so well that many thought the military could keep that ole' Clinton Magic going under Bush's leadership.

That turned out to be a whole bowl of wrong.

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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:04 PM
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16. "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.."
Early on both Clintons decided obviously if you can't beat 'em, join 'em and the "right-wing conspiracy" in the end was a ruse. They were part of it.

William Jefferson Clinton. The first Republicrat president of the United States. The party of the corporation. The oligarchy. "By the corporation, for the corporation."
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:30 PM
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8. Spreading Xtianity via Ethnic Cleansing
I would guess he was provoked into ordering the killings with a promise of protection if things went sideways.

The boys had to provoke a war with the Muslims to ensure the fifth prophesy.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:52 PM
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10. Yeah, right. I smell anti-West BS.
I'm sick of the Serb Nationalist morons claiming that they are victims of "Western aggression" and similar crap such as this.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:29 PM
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11. There's a lot of speculation
That many war criminals have been quietly ignored in the name of peace. I don't think it's anti-western. I think, if true, perhaps it was seen as the only way to really stop the bloodshed.
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:31 PM
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12. This sounds odd
I don't see any evidence of it or reason for the US to do this. I know he has his supporters in our country, Michael Savage and the like but it just doesn't make sense.

If the protection was begun in 96 lifted 8 years ago that means it was the Clinton administration. It would have been to Clinton's benefit to have both of them under trial at The Hague.

Without some kind of evidence I'm not buying it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:36 PM
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13. Serb propaganda machine in action before the Democratic Convention.
Ignore it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:03 PM
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14. Well, finally SOMETHING they can blame Clinton for, I guess. BUT...
"Karadzic, indicted for genocide and war crimes, was under the US protection until 2000...


... anyone arguing that giving War Criminals immunity is wrong needs to agree that The Bush Regime needs to go on trial, too.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:47 PM
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17. We harbored Nazi war criminals after WW2.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:47 PM by roamer65
Like Werner Von Braun and many other Germans who should have stood trial at Nuremberg. I wouldn't be surprised if this story were true.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:23 PM
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18. Harbored Von Braun?
Hell, we touted him as a hero.

The ends justify the means, it's always been the American way.
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:25 PM
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19. Yeah we did
But he was a useful Nazi. We had a reason to overlook his crimes if we wanted to run in the space race.

What's the reason here? Keeping things quiet or peaceful in the Balkans? I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just looking for a benefit to US interests or CIA before I accept it as credible.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:32 PM
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20. Von Braun wasn't a Nazi.
He was basically a prisoner. His work was basically done with the option of either that or death. He actually did spend some time in Nazi prison.

Karadzic on the other hand, is simply irredeemable human trash. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for any defense with that piece of shit.
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