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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:36 PM
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Study Links Gene Variant in Men to Marital Discord
Source: Washington Post

Study Links Gene Variant in Men to Marital Discord

By Shankar Vedantam
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 2, 2008; Page A02


Men are more likely to be devoted and loyal husbands when they lack a particular variant of a gene that influences brain activity, researchers announced yesterday -- the first time that science has shown a direct link between a man's genes and his aptitude for monogamy. The finding is striking because it not only links the gene variant -- which is present in two of every five men -- with the risk of marital discord and divorce, but also appears to predict whether women involved with these men are likely to say their partners are emotionally close and available, or distant and disagreeable. The presence of the gene variant, or allele, also seems predictive of whether men get married or live with women without getting married.

"Men with two copies of the allele had twice the risk of experiencing marital dysfunction, with a threat of divorce during the last year, compared to men carrying one or no copies," said Hasse Walum, a behavioral geneticist at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm who led the study. "Women married to men with one or two copies of the allele scored lower on average on how satisfied they were with the relationship compared to women married to men with no copies."

The scientists studied men because the hormone being examined is known to play a larger role in their brains than in women's brains. The finding set off a debate about whether people should conduct genetic tests to find out whether potential mates are bad marriage prospects. Several independent scientists called the discovery remarkable and elegant but disagreed over whether such information ought to be used in making personal decisions about love and marriage. Walum said that the presence of the allele increased the risk of conjugal discord, but that many other factors probably shape marital behavior. However, he and other scientists said the study is the latest piece of evidence to show that biology -- down to the level of individual genes -- can play a powerful role in shaping complex human behavior.

In other words, if a man's culture, religion and family background each have a seat at the conference table that determines his attitudes toward marital fidelity and monogamy, his genes might well sit at the head of the table. "There are many ways this information can help a man and his wife when they marry," said Helen Fisher, a biological anthropologist at Rutgers University who studies romantic love. "Knowing there are biological weak links can help you overcome them." A man who knows he has this allele, she added, might be able to use the knowledge to ignore tugs of restlessness he might feel in his marriage: "You can say, 'Oh, it is just my DNA, and I am going to ignore it.' "


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090102087.html?nav=hcmodule



- I'll bet Johnny McCain is absolutely crammed full of these bad husband genes.....
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:07 PM
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1. I want beer...
...with my :popcorn:!
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:21 PM
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5. I'd love to marry you Harry....
...but you have "wandering alleles." Sorry.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:16 PM
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2. I guess that's better than, "The Devil made me do it".
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:23 PM
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8. It's probably just an evolutionary development....
...to insure diversity within the species.

- That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:37 PM
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10. Of course it is..
The female of most species is the caretaker, and in most cases the ONLY caretaker of the young.. Humans evolved into pair-bonding to care for the young, but it may not be all that "mutual".. The female has to raise a human child for a lot longer period than most animals, so she has a vested interest in keeping the male close at hand to help out, but technically, as soon as he's made his genetic "contribution", it's possible that many of the males might just wander off and not want to actually raise the offspring..

The "love" angle, and continued access to easy sex, may be what keeps the males sticking around "evilgrin:, but even then , those genes want to be spread around, and it's not surprising that some men leave...or create such turbulence that she tosses him out..

It seems to me too, that the more the pair "has" the more likely they may stay together. But then the poverty resulting from raising many kids alone, may also be the reason for not accumulating wealth, too.. It's probably easier to "bug out", if you're flat broke and not happy with your mate..

who knows for sure? we are a complicated bunch of critters:)
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 06:53 AM
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15. I think you've....



- As usual....
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:16 PM
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3. HA! I knew those 4 divorces weren't my fault. n/t
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:18 PM
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4. LMAO! nt.
nt
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:22 PM
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6. Yes!!!
It was your parent's fault!!!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:23 PM
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:28 PM
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9. Opportunity definitely has a role....
...and sometimes -- for some guys at least -- it doesn't even have to be all that fresh either.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:10 AM
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11. Does this mean we can request a DNA test before dating a guy???
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:27 AM
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12. It Means We OUGHT To==It Figures This Was Explored in Sweden
Don't let your daughters grow up to marry a Swede.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 06:51 AM
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14. Yes.
I'm sure that they'll be available soon at drug stores. Right next to the pregnancy test kits!

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:41 AM
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13. snort
being good
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:34 AM
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16. solution for women: don't marry and if you insist on having children...
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 07:34 AM by Triana
..plan on raising them alone and be financially prepared to do so (ie: have a damn good-paying career first and choose your sperm donor carefully - then toss his ass to the curb since he's going to bolt anyway as soon as you have a stretch mark and/or he's "bored") - then raise the kid yourself.

The WORST "child" is a grown man anyway. Who wants one of THOSE?

;)
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:17 AM
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18. My daughter is getting married a week from Friday.
She is a recent medical school graduate, and she is marrying a wonderful young man. I believe he and she will be perfect together.

But as she was growing up, I always told her that no matter how much she loved someone, she had to be prepared to raise any kids by herself. Her dad, a professor, got a graduate student pregnant while married to me, when my daughter was just 15 months old and her brother was 3 years old.

Because I was determiend to be the one to raise my own kids (rather than some other woman in a daycare), I ran a home daycare myself for 18 years (until she, as my younger child, went away to college), worked part-time as an adjunct lecturer where I had been teaching since 1972 anyway, and did odd jobs like sewing, editing, and , that I could fit around my kids' schedule, so that I would be fully available to them when they were at home and awake.

Such jobs either don't pay well or are sporadic. (For example, editing and tutoring pay well, but you never know how much work you will get at any given time.) My kids and I were very poor after the divorce, but we were also very close, and I got to be the one to enjoy their childhood, not some daycare provider. (I also got to be the one to enjoy the childhood of the 33 other children I largely or partly raised in my daycare. I am still close with them too.)

But now my daughter is a doctor, and she is going to have a lovely career. If she had to, she could support her kids by herself when she has them.

But as it turns out, her fiance is going to be an incredible husband and father. He is a Frenchman. Unlike many American men, he doesn't view having kids as an obstacle to his opportunties to have fun. He considers having kids around to be the best fun in the world. She doesn't want to get pregnant until at least half way through her residency (which would be about a year from now), but he would be delighted to start having kids yesterday.

Funny, isn't it? This young woman, who was raised to be prepared to raise her kids by herself if necessary, is probably going to be that increasingly rare woman who has a husband completely committed to being a full partner in childcare responsibilities.

I am so happy for her, and I love my future SIL to pieces. He is so perfect for her that it almost makes me cry to think of it. I always knew my kids would have very successful careers. My main concern was whether they could find life partners that would ensure a happy personal life as well. (And I definitely did not want my daughter the doctor to marry a doctor.)
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:35 PM
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27. I wish more people who have children would prepare themselves as well..
..as your daughter and future son-in-law have. It's the only realistic way to do it.

Congratulations to you for raising such a fantastic daughter - and to her for finding that rare man.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:36 AM
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20. Your message seems to be full of hate for men. What happened to you?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:31 PM
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25. Oh jeeze - another "you're a man-hater!" post....
...I was being facetious. Unbunch ya panties, OK?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:48 AM
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22. Ouch!
I would think in your case the alleles would have nothing to do with it. YIKES!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:31 PM
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26. Same to you. n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:36 AM
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17. The same variant makes them run for Congress
;-)
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:18 AM
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19. Good one! n/t
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:46 AM
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21. I can hear it now....
"It ain't my fault baby! It's them damn alleles that made me cheat on you!"
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:50 AM
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24. There are so many assholes who will try and use this to justify their own terribe behavior.
Never mind the fact that it does not take away their own self-control, only makes certain things "more likely."
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:28 AM
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23. Now forever known as the Edwards gene.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:36 PM
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28. What's the Phrase? "I Like 'em Big and Stupid"
Just a hunch.
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