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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:00 PM
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NASA Mars Lander Sees Falling Snow, Soil Data Suggest Liquid Past
Source: NASA

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has detected snow falling from Martian clouds. Spacecraft soil experiments also have provided evidence of past interaction between minerals and liquid water, processes that occur on Earth.

A laser instrument designed to gather knowledge of how the atmosphere and surface interact on Mars has detected snow from clouds about 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) above the spacecraft's landing site. Data show the snow vaporizing before reaching the ground.

"Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," said Jim Whiteway, of York University, Toronto, lead scientist for the Canadian-supplied Meteorological Station on Phoenix. "We'll be looking for signs that the snow may even reach the ground."

Phoenix experiments also yielded clues pointing to calcium carbonate, the main composition of chalk, and particles that could be clay. Most carbonates and clays on Earth form only in the presence of liquid water.

Read more: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080929.html
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:17 PM
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1. Amazing news
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:37 PM
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25. Ski Mars (nfm)
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:32 PM
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2. Awesome. Too bad we can't create an atmosphere there that will
remain on the planet. At least, that's how I understand it.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:53 PM
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3. WOW!
Expanding knowledge not war and greed should be the hallmark of homo sapiens sapiens!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:00 PM
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4. It's CO2 - carbon dioxide "snow" not "water" or H20
All the "snow" in the polar region is carbon dioxide - what little atmosphere there is is almost 100% carbon dioxide...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:06 PM
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5. You should work for NASA and do their headlines
or read the rest of the article where it says that.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:23 AM
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7. NASA apparently has determined this is the familiar old H2snOw
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:31 AM
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11. So there's an atmosphere, just not one we can breathe?
And CO2 precipitates as snowflakes like H2O? Are they pretty with unique shapes?
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 08:52 AM
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16. Citation please! OP's article doesn't mention composition of the snow
thanks muchly.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:44 PM
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30. If this is water, which I seriously doubt, then it COMPLETLY contradicts ALL other scientific
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 01:44 PM by TankLV
results.

Even the Discovery channel had a big special on it - it's CO2...the temp is so cold enough that the CO2 falls as "snow"...

Sorry, but from everyting I've seen and read, the article is wrong...
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:49 PM
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24. I was wondering that...
It'd be interesting to see.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:12 PM
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29. But - could you ski on it?
That's all I care about...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:21 AM
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6. Mars Craft Detects Falling Snow: Soil Tests Also Hint at Past Presence of Liquid Groundwater
By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 30, 2008; Page A02

... In an interview after the teleconference, Whiteway likened the snow to "diamond dust" that falls in the Arctic and Antarctica.

"What this is telling us is that water does rise from the ground to the atmosphere and then precipitates down," he said. "So there is a hydrological cycle on Mars, and now other experts will study the data and try to determine what it all means."

Although the Phoenix instruments could not determine whether the snow hit the ground, Whiteway said there are some indications that it does. Images of the thin but distinct Martian clouds can be seen on the NASA Web site at http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix.

With daylight quickly diminishing as the Martian winter starts, the Phoenix is not expected to continue operating for many more weeks. The spacecraft has a "Lazarus" feature that could return it to operation when the sun returns, but the brutally cold temperatures during the winter are expected to freeze and crack parts essential to its operation ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092903068.html?hpid=topnews
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:49 AM
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8. all the martian children scream: IT'S SNOWING!!! n/t
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:09 AM
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9. There is something so incredibly beautiful about the idea of it snowing on Mars.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:16 AM
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13. Truly. I want to see the flakes.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:52 PM
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27. Look for yourself.



Traces of snowfall on another world
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:58 AM
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14. Yes, indeedy there is. I can close my eyes and visualize it.
Thanks, Viking Lander and all the rest for showing us what Mars looks like so we CAN visualize it!

The only bummer is the optimism of our youths that WE might get to go there has evaporated into the hard, cold mathematical, environmental and ecological truths of Climate Change and Peak Oil.

But for now, I am going to close my eyes and stand on the Martian rocky plain for awhile, and let the snow fall on me...
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:35 PM
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32. I believe that, someday, man will go to Mars.
But given the issues you listed, I am just not sure if I'll be around to see it.




But, there are always the times in which one can sit back, close one's eyes, and imagine...
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:10 AM
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10. At least their polar ice cap isn't melting away like ours is.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 04:02 AM
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12. And it's a good thing too ...

And it's a good thing too, if it did melt it would probably evaporate into space ;-)

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:56 PM
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28. actually......
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yoodle Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:03 AM
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15. Simply amazing
never expected that!
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:00 AM
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17. maybe it's dandruff
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:15 AM
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18. so cool.
i hope one of my sons decides to go into science.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:43 AM
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19. Hey, Sarah Palin can see the moon from her back deck..maybe she should work for NASA.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:12 AM
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20. hahahahaha you deserve a cookie for that....
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:14 PM
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21. Nothing new
Wasn't there an old movie called Santa Claus and the Martians?
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JesterCS Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:30 PM
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22. Here it is
Its a bit hard to see. but its there.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:24 PM
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23. Snowday!!!
Now I can diss somebody thusly, "You're like school on Mars...No Class!!"
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:50 PM
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26. Goodnight Phoenix
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:50 PM
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31. That's not 'snow' - it's just crappy reception
We get 'snow' on our TV every time an airplane flies overhead.
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