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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:00 AM
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U.S. to drop charges against former Sen. Stevens: report
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 06:14 AM by Scurrilous
Source: Reuters

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"The U.S. Justice Department has decided to drop all charges against former Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens amid charges of prosecutorial misconduct, NPR reported on Wednesday, citing Justice officials.

Stevens was convicted last fall of seven counts of lying on a Senate disclosure form to conceal $250,000 in gifts from an oil industry executive and other friends. Allegations of prosecutorial misconduct have delayed his sentencing.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has decided not to continue to defend the conviction in the face of persistent problems stemming from prosecutors' actions, NPR reported on its web site."


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5302O820090401



Sources: Sen. Stevens Conviction To Be Voided

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"NPR's has learned that the Justice Department will drop all charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska.

A jury convicted Stevens last fall of seven counts of lying on his senate disclosure form in order to conceal $250,000 in gifts from an oil industry executive and other friends. Stevens was longest-serving Republican in the Senate, however, he lost his bid for an eighth full-term in office just days after he was convicted. Since then, charges of prosecutorial misconduct have delayed his sentencing and prompted defense motions for a new trial."

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"The judge in the Stevens case has repeatedly delayed sentencing and criticized trial prosecutors for what he's called prosecutorial misconduct. At one point, prosecutors were held in contempt. Things got so bad that the Justice Department finally replaced the trial team, including top-ranking officials in the office of public integrity. That's the department's section charged with prosecuting public corruption cases.

With more ugly hearings expected, Holder is said to have decided late Tuesday to pull the plug. Stevens lawyers are expected to be informed Wednesday morning that the department will dismiss the indictment against the former senator.

Holder's decision is said to be based on Stevens age, he's 84; and because Stevens is no longer in the Senate. Perhaps most importantly, Justice Department officials say Holder wants to send a message to prosecutors throughout the department that actions he regards as misconduct will not be tolerated."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102589818
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:02 AM
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1. I want these prosecutors' heads on a platter.
Bumbling incompetence in such a high profile case.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:24 AM
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5. They were Bush appointeees. Maybe the "bumbling" was deliberate.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:33 AM
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40. That's what I'm thinking, too
It's a golden parachute, a Get Out Of Jail Free card. Courtesy of the Bush administration, paid for with you tax dollars. Don't you just feel all tingly inside now?
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jkilvik Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:08 AM
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64. Deuteronomy trumps Blackstone for many in Justice
This is what happens when you hire prosecutors who graduated law schools which encouraged students to study Deuteronomy rather than Blackstone.
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ut oh Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:21 AM
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66. That was the first thing that went through my mind...
This was intentional...
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AwareOne Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:11 AM
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2. There is no more justice in the United States
It's every man for himself in this festering cesspool of corruption.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:31 AM
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8. The Rich and well connected will always get a pass
Its the American way for Loathsome Scum like Stevens

Meanwhile 32% of young poor black men under age 30 are either

1. In Prison

2. In Jail

3. On Probation or Parole
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:23 AM
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54. And does Eric Holder care about them?
Of course he doesn't. He only cares about the rich and the powerful. And about how rich and powerful he can become by serving them.

The judge in this case does not have the right to do what he's done. It is not his place. It is the place of an appellate court to decide if there was prosecutorial misconduct.

I didn't think anything could be worse than Bush. Apparently I was wrong.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. "...the Justice Department finally replaced the trial team, including...
top-ranking officials in the office of public integrity."
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:02 PM
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88. I agree this bodes very badly for the future
the Senate seems to be a cesspool and I have news for them they are very out of touch
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:36 PM
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90. Considering Obama is willing to let war criminals walk instead of doing his fucking job...
...I think you're right.

So much for change.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:20 AM
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3. I was wondering when this would happen. Old fart! Stupid fucking prosecutors!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:26 AM
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6. Maybe stupid. Maybe intentional. Who knows?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:35 AM
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10. Won't be getting an answer on that any time soon now will we...
:puke:
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:20 AM
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4. Wow. This is just bizarre.
:crazy:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:31 AM
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7. Another Republican criminal skates.
Justice? Not in America.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:33 AM
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9. So, is Holder going to fire the Bush appointees who allegedly messed up, or is he only letting
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 06:35 AM by No Elephants
Stevens go?

On the one hand, I would not put it past the Bush appointees to have "messed up" Stevens case on purpose.

On the other hand, a lot of them were graduates of neo theo law schools that were not even accredited at the time the appointees attended. Many of them were unable to pass the bar exam.

Whether intentionally or not, they messed up and that is suffiient reason to let them go. In this economy, plenty of good Democratic lawyers who were graduated from excellent law schools are out of work and these are political appointment slots.

Fire their blundering, nonaccredited butts.

Unless and until Holder does that, I am reserving judgment on the good faith of the D of J in this matter.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:16 AM
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22. Excellent point.
Bush "burrowed" a bunch of people in civil service jobs throughout the government, so they couldn't get fired without good reason. Well, I think we just found a good reason to get rid of some of them.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:42 AM
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30. I like your take on this. Holder needs to fire the Bush-league "lawyers" that screwed up.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #9
78. Really?
And how were they practicing law without passing the bar? That’s against the law. And if the school wasn’t accredited, they’re not even eligible to sit for the bar.



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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
92. They already did.
At one point, prosecutors were held in contempt. Things got so bad that the Justice Department finally replaced the trial team, including top-ranking officials in the Public Integrity Section, which is charged with prosecuting public corruption cases.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102589818
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:40 AM
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11. eric holder, arne duncan, . .
Fuck that noise.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:54 AM
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12. Justice is dead in America
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:34 AM
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26. Au contraire. This proves that justice is alive. I don't like
Stevens either, but if his case was badly prosecuted then it should be corrected.

Lot of political mileage will come out of this one.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:54 AM
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49. So Siegelman and Minor get to go free, too?
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 09:02 AM by Hissyspit
MAJOR prosecutorial conduct there from the Bush DOJ.

Actually it seems to prove that justice is alive only if you are a Republican.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5366162&mesg_id=5366162
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. Excellent Point
Siegelman should get the same treatment ... and heck, at least he is actually innocent.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #49
89. My very 1st thought!
What about the jury and prosecutors in his case?

:grr:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #26
57. Absolutely correct. There would be a different tune sung here
if it had been a case against someone we support that was badly prosecuted. You cannot have it both ways.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #26
75. Corrected - good word
Corrected, yes. But not let go entirely on a technicality.

Could Stevens be retried?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:59 AM
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13. Smoke screen.
They will get away with it ALL.

Once they are in the club, it
takes the proverbial dead girl
or live boy to take action.

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. A dead girl doesn't even do it anymore,
Ask Joe Scarborough. Hell, I'm starting to doubt that a live boy would do it either.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
102. With Larry Craig...
you had a live man and nothing happened.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:06 AM
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15. Laying the foundation to drop case against Seligman?
I immediately thought of Seligman when I heard this story.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:07 AM
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16. Does this mean the conviction will be thrown out too?
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:15 AM
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33. Yes. Effectively.
The end of one of the stories linked to above says, at the very end, that this effectively voids the convictions, because the Justice dept. is dropping their opposition to the request for a retrial. He's off, scott free.
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Sewsojm Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:07 AM
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17. Nothing's changed,
same old song and dance.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:08 AM
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18. Shouldn't Senators be held to a higher standard? What about a mistrial? Seems like
* appointments fucked up to allow one of their own to go free.

Same as it ever was-2 justice systems-one for the elites and one for the rest of us. What's next madoff gets off?
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:11 AM
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19. Those prosecutors need to be fired.
Maybe the screw-ups were intentional, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it was intentional after what we have endured the last 8 years, but whether intentional or the result of incompetence, they need to go. If it is intentional they should be brought up on charges - I'm not sure we would ever be abe to prove that, though.


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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:12 AM
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20. what in the hell?! His age didn't stop him from disobeying the law
and so why should age prevent him from being punished?

And this is why nothing will ever f'ing change. NOTHING. EVER.

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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:14 AM
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21. And Siegelman still faces jail.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:16 AM
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23. April Fools!
If only, eh?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:22 AM
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24. I know I'll get flamed but at this point - we got what we needed out of it
Ted Stevens is out of office. Putting an 80+ year old man behind bars isn't going to serve anyone any good, even if secretly we'd all love to see it.

The guy is 85 years old, unless he decides to go after Lisa Murkowski's seat (which in 2010 and I don't think he would do that), I highly doubt that a 91 year old man is going to try and run again to get his old senate seat back. I think those in Alaska are done with Ted Stevens and would prefer someone not knocking on death's door to represent them.

Losing his senate seat ESPECIALLY without getting the Arctic Refuge opened for drilling is probably the greatest shame for Ted Stevens. We did good!
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ScaryBob Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #24
39. yeppers, you are
correct. Sometimes the ends justifies the means.

But I wonder how many Rethugs are going to call for an Alaskan senate seat "re-do" because of this?

You betcha. And also
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #24
42. egg zack LEE
He is 85 and in poor health and the democrats now own the seat.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #24
62. We'll have to look
elsewhere for our pound of flesh. But he's gone from office at least.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
91. I wasn't aware the Constitution allowed laws to be selectively applied at whim.
Bully for you that you're willing to let a criminal walk. I'm not.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:24 AM
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25. We got him out of the Senate
The rest is pointless from here on out.

Just maybe, Holder sees that Bush's incompetent, B-law school prosecutors put together a lousy case against Stevens.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #25
35. Seriously!
I mean we have bigger fish to fry than Ted Stevens. This scourge is out of the Senate and I couldn't be happier about that one!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #25
44. Presumably the IRS would have some interest in $250,000 undeclared?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #44
63. I hate to say it but let them go for it
We got what we needed - Stevens out of office. Now he's nothing more than a broken down fool
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #25
93. Prosecuting criminals is pointless now?
I guess that explains why b*s* isn't in jail -- attitudes like yours.

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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:35 AM
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27. uh, fuck that. hello... is this the fucking twilight zone or what???
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:36 AM
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28. I wonder why Holder hasn't done the same with Don Seligman
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:41 AM
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29. Mabe Stevens first, then Siegelman? n/t
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. Oh yeah. You consider Siegelman guilty because
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 07:59 AM by Kingofalldems
a jury convicted him. Trying to stir shit up again I see.

I wonder why you always do that. :shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:57 AM
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76. I consider both of them guilty
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:11 AM
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32. April fools?
Please let it be a joke.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:35 AM
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41. Many articles from a variety of sources coming up saying the same. Unfortunately.
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 08:40 AM by nc4bo
I just took a spin doing a Google search and got a headache.

Edited to make better sense.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:16 AM
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34. Amazing. Simply friggin' amazing.
**sigh**

Same old shit, different crowd.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:25 AM
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36. naturally -- stevens is a republican so he goes free. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:26 AM
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37. That people are bashing Holder over this is disgusting.
The prosecutors fucked up and embarrassed themselves, and so Holder had to do what he did to take those prosecutors to task. The people attacking Holder are basically saying we should act like Bush in order to get what we want, fuck that. Twisting the law to our own partisan advantage makes us no better then Bush.

Holder did the right thing, period.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:30 AM
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38. Please tell me the article originated from the Onion.
The misconduct could very well have been deliberate.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:43 AM
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43. I'm astonished, but I see nothing wrong with compassion and review . . .
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 08:45 AM by defendandprotect
and I think we're all wondering about the "prosecutorial misconduct" because I doubt
that Bush's DOJ wanted to prosecute Stevens. Maybe they purposefully left a landmine behind?
At any rate, this "misconduct" should be rewarded with letting the individuals go.

I also think that as long as we have a DOJ based on GOP/Bush "picks" we're going to have
more questions than answers.

The presumption by government was that every new administration should be entitled to and
would want to select the personnel to fill the AG spots.
Obama denied us this and asked ALL of the AGs to stay -- 51 did!!!

Meanwhile, I don't know if this signals any good news for Siegelman . . . I don't see any
parallels --

UNLESS IT WAS A DEAL?

And, I kind of doubt that--!!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:47 AM
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45. If Holder is truly reviewing everything the Bush DOJ did in the last 8 years . . .
things could get rather exciting!!!

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:50 AM
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46. disgusting... the filth and corruption that is acceptable in the US
is disgusting and way beyond reproach.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #46
74. Do you think Justice should fight to maintain convictions in which
there has been fairly significant prosecutorial misconduct?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:52 AM
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47. Lesson is ...being a criminal pays!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:53 AM
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48. In Other words: Bush Justice Department Sabotaged The Case Before They Left
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:29 AM
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55. The Bush Justice Department?
Looks more like the Obama Justice Department doing the sabotaging and what it is sabotaging is justice.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:49 AM
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73. It was all done by the Bush Justice Department
Holder was left holding the bag. He did the right thing given that Bush's Justice Department had torpedoed its own case. Once it was shown that the government withheld evidence, intentionally or not (I think intentionally), the fair thing to do is punt it.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #73
82. That leaves another duty, attending to "misconduct" in DoJ.
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 12:35 PM by L. Coyote
This is an affirmation that wrong was done by someone, and that will have to be attended to too now.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:04 AM
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50. This is probably the right decision. It doesn't benefit anyone for the Jusice Department
to be defending prosecutorial misconduct, especially if it is very likely that it will lose on the appeal.

It may gall people that Stevens won't go to jail, but in the long run this is a good decision by Holder.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:17 AM
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65. No, Mr. Holder is out of order. Literally. There is a conviction and sentencing is the next step.
The AG could have used his prosecutorial discretion before the trial began. Mr. Holder may use his prosecutorial discretion before any appeal. But right now he's stomping on Judicial discretion and the sanctity of the jury in violation of the Seventh Amendment. By what authority does a Prosecutor nullify a Juries decision?
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:45 AM
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70. So Holder should ignore the Justice Dept's misconduct and plow ahead with sentencing?
That simply makes no sense. There was fairly significant misconduct by the prosecutors in this case, and it would be unethical for Holder to push ahead in this case knowing that there is almost no possibility that the conviction would stand on appeal. This has nothing to do with either "Judicial discretion" or the Seventh Amendment.

The fact that Stevens is a crooked son-of-a-bitch who doesn't deserve our pity doesn't change that one bit.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:41 PM
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98. No, I'm simply saying that the appeal is the place to address that.
Currently their is a verdict rendered by the Jury. The Prosecutor does not have the authority to nullify that decision at any time for any reason. The prosecutor can drop the case at anytime up until the jury renders a verdict. At that point the case is final. Any other issues including prosecutorial misconduct are subject to appeal. Because the allegation of prosecutorial misconduct must be heard and determined by the court. Not the AG. That is beyond his realm of authority.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:12 AM
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52. Is he going to reverse the ban on Pete Rose next?
If Shoeless Joe were alive today . . .
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:13 AM
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53. He'd be
120 years old.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:30 AM
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56. That’s the problem with an administration (Bush),
that has so little regard for the rule of law. The best you can say about Bush’s Justice Dept. is that they were non partisan incompetents in this case as well as the case of
Rep. Louis “Fridge” Jefferson who was caught red handed with more than $90000 in cash stored in his fridge.

They bungled that case in much the same way, Total incompetence and disregard for the law which clearly spells out the limits for law enforcement as well as for the prosecution.

The end result of course is that the tax payers lose, Democracy loses as well.

:kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:40 AM
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58. Will those who sandbagged Justice be charged?
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:42 AM
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59. Steal a loaf of bread or smoke a marijuana cigarette.. you'll rot in jail..
Peddle trillions of dollars ($$$) in phony credit derivitives.. you get your own business jet and your picture on the cover of Wall Street Journal.
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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:53 AM
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61. “Laws are like spiders’ webs...
...they hold the weak and delicate who are caught in their meshes, but are torn to pieces by the rich and powerful.” -- Solon of Athens

Same as it ever was.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:37 AM
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69. change has finally come to america
oh wait...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:32 PM
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96. a nation of cowards waits for justice
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:34 AM
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67. This doesn't surprise me.
The trial was a disaster.
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Stinger2 Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:35 AM
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68. When the rich and powerful take Bribes it’s called Gifts?
Stevens was convicted last fall of seven counts of lying on a Senate disclosure form to conceal $250,000 in gifts from an oil industry executive and other friends. Allegations of prosecutorial misconduct have delayed his sentencing.


When the rich and powerful take Bribes it’s called Gifts, that in itself tells how corrupt the system is among the have and have not.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:48 AM
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71. No, but when the prosecution withholds evidence from the defense,
it is prosecutorial misconduct.

This isn't about whether what Stevens did was moral/illegal/unethical, it's about the actions of the prosecutors. They fucked up.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:49 AM
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72. The Outrage over an intelligent choice is staggering. Is this troll central or Stupidity Underground
Holder is making a choice, and it's pragmatic... a word DUers should look up. Politics is defined as "the art of the possible"
You don't get everything you want as soon as you want it... and considering the state of the country.... it's about
choosing your battles. You choose what you're fighting for, or you get blindsided by gays in the military and come
up with stupid compromises like don't ask don't tell.
I look at DU and half the time it's a bunch of whiny little brats who have no concept of the bigger picture. If you are
going to get upset about something, get upset about something big.... God knows there's a lot bigger stuff to get
upset about then an 84 year old corrupt politician.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 12:41 PM
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83. The outrage is not directed at the intelligence of the choice, but at the staggering stupidity
of how easily Bush Justice saw to a dispensation for Stevens.

This clearly places some pressure on getting the Obama Justice appointees behind their desks
and shines a spotlight on the sort of obstruction of justice their filibustering represents.

April 1, 2009, and Republicans are still obstructing Justice in America!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:56 PM
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94. If wanting to prosecute criminals is "stupid", I'm proud not to be as "smart" as you.
NT!

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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:57 AM
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77. Withholding
exculpatory evidence from the defense is wrong. Period. Even if the defendant is guilty
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:57 PM
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95. Do you have evidence that this happened?
Please share.

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 11:35 AM
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79. I Heard On NPR This Morning That holder & The Judge Are Buddies
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 11:35 AM by Dinger
Nice
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 11:48 AM
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80. I'm not sure what that has to do with it--this is an issue of prosecutorial, not judicial
misconduct.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:04 PM
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85. Agreed
It's just that I believe Stevens got away with it, like all the rest of the repukes will.:-(
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 12:28 PM
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81. "prosecutors' missteps .. disregard some evidence .. whistle-blowing FBI .. improper conduct
The real meat is deep in the story on NPR. Reuters writes another Bush whitewash, when good reporters would be going after names. Who's missteps? Who is the whistle-blower?

"... prosecutors' missteps led the judge to instruct the jury to disregard some evidence.

Sentencing ... was playing a back seat to charges of prosecutorial misconduct —as a whistle-blowing FBI agent made complaints about improper conduct by a fellow agent and prosecutors. ..."

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 12:59 PM
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84. And Seigelman is shackled in
the courtroom 'n led away to a cell.

Of course this was intentional. They were probably shocked when the 'guilty' verdict came back.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:06 PM
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86. Carlos Menem ejected from Justice building, flapping arms and mumbling,
"big picture...moving on..."
Menem, formerly president of Argentina, was charged with forging orders from a government official and for prostituting himself to a conservative.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:34 PM
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87. Therein lies the problem with putting political ideology ahead of justice
Obstructing justice is the same no matter who does it.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:59 PM
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97. AP: Stevens' Prosecutors Face Contempt Charges NPR.org, Feb 13, 2009
AP: Stevens' Prosecutors Face Contempt Charges
NPR.org, February 13, 2009 · An angry federal judge held Justice Department attorneys in contempt .... Judge Emmet Sullivan said it was "outrageous" that government attorneys would ignore his deadline for turning over .... all the agency's internal communications regarding a whistle-blower complaint against the FBI .... about some Justice Department tactics during the trial, including not turning over evidence and an "inappropriate relationship" between another agent working the case and the prosecutor's star witness ...

... Sullivan repeatedly asked three Justice Department attorneys sitting at the prosecution's table whether they had some reason not to turn over the documents. They finally acknowledged they did not, and Sullivan exploded in anger.

"That was a court order," he bellowed. "That wasn't a request. I didn't ask for them out of the kindness of your hearts. ... Isn't the Department of Justice taking court orders seriously these days?"
.... "That's outrageous for the Department of Justice — the largest law firm on the planet," he said. "That is not acceptable in this court."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100692719
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:23 PM
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99. I wonder what will become of these "prosecutors?" My guess is, they will be well taken care of
for sabotaging this case.

I imagine somebody thought Stevens was too big to fail.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:26 PM
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100. It always looked to me like a railroad job.
I never figured out the purpose but I assume it was something nefarious considering who owns Alaska (hint: BP)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:25 PM
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101. Corrupt gifts trumped by "inappropriate relationship" between FBI and witness.
Looks like hanky-panky is more important than facts in the case.
What's the real scoop? Will this end all or just end opposition to motion for retrial?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:12 AM
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103. Tweety totally gets all of the facts wrong on Poor Ted Stevens = VIDEO
Rabid Right-Wingnut Rant warning! This twit thinks he's innocent now!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x291602
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