Pakistan is 'centre of terrorism'

[Coventina]

Source: BBC

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has described Pakistan as the "epicentre of world terrorism".

In an interview with the British Financial Times newspaper, he said that Islamabad had failed to take effective action against militants.

He said that Pakistan was either "unable" or "unwilling" to control the militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

Delhi accuses the Let of staging November's attacks in Mumbai when more than 170 people were killed.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7975986.stm

[closeupready]

1. Er, well, what else is the Indian Prime Minister expected to say?

Not exactly a shocker. Surprised he didn't refer to Pakistan as the lair of the terrorist worm or something, a terrorist den of iniquity, a cancer, yadda yadda. Ho hum, this predictable hyperbole gets old. Put up or shut the fuck up, Singh.

[ShareTheWoods]

2. Put up what?

Did I miss where Pakistan has eliminated their nest of vermin that is spreading death to innocents in the area?

[nyy1998]

3. Well it's not like he doesn't have any justification

Oh wait, Mumbai attacks, the Taliban in Kush Mountains, the massive s***show in lahore, oh and the sri lanka cricket attacks

[dipsydoodle]

4. I woudn't attach too much importance

to whatever India has got to day about Pakistan. Simply bad blood revisited.

[ohio2007]

9. well, days before the Mumbai attack, the head of security was qouted by the MSM and thought:

he was crying wolf with the
"something is going on" article.

then he was shot dead going into the hotel.

who knew?

he did.

eom

[cosmicone]

5. Pakistan apologists on this board are funny.

Pakistan is the epicenter of terrorism is as well established as "ice is cold", "water is wet" and "salt is salty."

Innumerable terrorist incidents are directly linked to Pakistan. Why don't the Pakistan apologists accept this fact rather than say, "we discount everything that India says because India said it?"

[closeupready]

6. For starters, on just about every survey I've seen, India ranks as most corrupt by a long shot.

Far more than even admittedly corrupt Pakistan.

Further, India is not impartial to the dispute in Kashmir, and when we hear calls to seize and balkanize Pakistan, it's from people on your India-can-do-no-wrong-just-wants-puppies-and-cake-for-everyone side.

But what do I know, keep on talking in your echo chamber here, won't have any impact on reality.

[truebrit71]

10. Corruption doesn't even enter into the equation...

..the Indian govt is not on the verge of being overthrown by Taliban extremists like their Pakistani counterparts...The Indian intelligence agencies are not working hand in hand with the Taliban and by extension Al-q like the Pakistani ISI is...India is not on the verge of become a rogue state like Pakistan....but keep telling yourself it's all good...

[closeupready]

11. Oh yes it certainly does, but go on keeping your head in the sand,

swallowing the propaganda from the military/industrial complex.

On a side note, I wouldn't get so riled about this if Pakistan-haters actually had constructive ideas rather than 'destroy Pakistan now!' But that's the only solution they ever seem to have, which tells me that you guys are living in a fantasy land - a sheer fantasy land where taking control of nukes is as simple as reciting the alphabet, or alternatively installing a puppet dictator to do the bidding of the US - and oh, that worked so well with Benazir, didn't it, or the Shah, or even Musharraf?

When you're ready to actually offer healthy, constructive ideas, great, things can move forward. Otherwise, I'm going to let all six of you continue talking amongst yourselves.

[cosmicone]

13. Here is a healthy, constructive idea

Pakistan as a country serves no purpose other than give radical islamists a home inuring to the benefit of the fat, power-hungry Punjabi military which has dreams of ruling India like the moguls did. The sole purpose of Pakistan is to impose Islamic rule over the sub-continent and everything Pakistan does has that motive behind it. Ordinary people in Pakistan have remained uneducated and poor while the politicians and military elite have enriched themselves.

Being militarily and economically weak to take on India, Zia-ul-Haq came up with the terrorism idea to destabilize India. First by supporting Sikh terrorists with a fake Khalistan movement. When that didn't work, they started attacking India with terrorist attacks by ISI trained, funded and armed militants.

The healthy idea would be to balkanize Pakistan and create a separate Sindhudesh and Balochistan. Those people have no designs on Kashmir and don't have the hatred of India like the Punjabis do. Their lives have been left in ruins by the egotistical desires of the Punjabi minority which is in power in Pakistan via the military.

Balkanizing Pakistan takes the air out of the militancy and gives power to the moderates and peace loving people who can form major trade alliances with India, US, Europe and the rest of the civilized world.

There is historical precedent for this -- Bangladesh : the first part to separate from Pakistan. It is now a peaceful democracy with good relations with India and is economically doing better and has no Taliban or Al Q problem. Let's bring this solution to the rest of Pakistan!!

[closeupready]

15. Fail.

A snowball has a better chance of surviving hell than your plan does of coming to fruition, and you know it.

[cosmicone]

16. Wait, Watch and Learn. n/t

[closeupready]

17. Okay, Yoda.

:eyes:

[cosmicone]

18. no problem Darth Vader n/t

[smitra]

12. Wrong....

Transparency International, one of the LEADING agencies tracking corruption, places India at #85 and Pakistan way below at #134 on this table (#1 is Denmark, least corrupt, and # 180 is Somalia, most corrupt).

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2008

Enough said...

[Igel]

19. And yet,

the truth of a statement doesn't depend on the characteristics of the one uttering it.

India may be more corrupt than Pakistan, it may be biased wrt Jammu/Kashmir. It may even issue calls to seize and balkanize Pakistan (although that seems curiously absent in this particular article and reflects less what I've read Indians saying and more what I've read that Pakistanis say about what Indians are saying).

None of this matters. Your post is a good example of the ad hominem fallacy: "An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting)."

"All we want are the facts, ma'am."

[ohio2007]

7. Another Mumbai and the gloves come off. fact

spring break at the madrassas ?

[truebrit71]

8. I don't disagree with that assessment...

..the ISI is in cahoots with the Taliban, the Pakistani govt has just turned over rule to them in the Swat valley, and Islamabad is the next target...and they are a nuclear power

The larger point here is that the India will not sit idly by and let Pakistan fall into chaos, nor will they allow further terrorist attacks to go unanswered...

Bottom, bottom line? IMHO the planet's first nuclear war will be "fought" between these two countries, sooner rather than later...

[ShortnFiery]

14. & they have Nuclear Weapons.

:nuke:

[TheCoxwain]

20. I bet if Pakistan did not have Nukes .. Nato would have run over that country long ago..

Do you blame Iran to get Nukes ..


Pakistan and Kim Jong Ill were ahead of the curve and are assured that no western military let alone lesser powers like India will attack it