Bomb blows hole in Lenin statue

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Source: beeb



One of Russia's most famous statues of Vladimir Lenin has been bombed, leaving the Bolshevik revolutionary with a gaping hole in his rear.

The bronze statue, in the city of St Petersburg, was badly damaged before dawn on Wednesday, when the blast blew a hole in Lenin's coat.

No-one was hurt in the attack, the motive for which was unknown.

The statue, outside the Finland Station, marks the Bolshevik leader's return from exile in April 1917.


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7976883.stm

[tekisui]

1. That's kind of funny.

[sakabatou]

2. Is it just me or does Lenin look like

one of those flashers in a trench-coat.

[MADem]

3. Someone was telling those goddamned commies to blow it out their ass, perhaps?

It didn't blow a hole in his "coat," it blew a hole in his ass!

[emad]

4. Looks like they just missed the family jewels...

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. "...the motive for which was unknown."

Ya know, I kinda suspect the motive was to blow the fucker up and be rid of it.

[emad]

6. No major statue remodelling incident since they toppled Saddam's....

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[Throd]

7. Best fart ever

[YOY]

8. "Just say no to 2 month old Borsht. Your colon will say 'spasiba'."

[Somawas]

9. Too bad. We could use Lenin right now. Or Robespierre.

[IDFbunny]

12. Why?

We don't need a rollback of our bill of rights, we don't need millions dead or imprisoned without trial to hold up a dictator and his one-party political cabal.

[cobalt1999]

13. We could use more forced labor camps?

I think someone needs to read up on the history of Lenin a bit more. :eyes:

[Hannah Bell]

20. you, apparently.

[cobalt1999]

23. LOL

:rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

35. Funny coming from a citizen of a country with a world-wide gulag system.

Here's a hint:

Russian Revolution: 10/17
Russian Civil War: 1917-10/1922
Lenin's death: 1/24

You don't know jack, just repeat whatever bullshit is fed into you.

[Hannah Bell]

40. more hints: 1/1918, Lenin survives 2 assassination attempts, permanent disability from lung-shot

5/1922: first stroke, partial paralysis
12/1922: second stroke, leaves gov't duties
3/23: 3rd stroke, paralyzed & wheel-chair bound to his death 10 months later

Years of effective power: 4, all of them during a civil war, with the french, brits & us aiding the other side.

but einstein's telling people to "read up" on lenin & his "labor camps".

tell me, genius, did lenin have more, or less, than the czarist labor camps, 1600s-1900s, occupied by such noteworthies as Dostoevsky?

[cobalt1999]

52. All nice little meaningless tidbits of information.

Simple question for you (spin the answer however you want).

How many people were in the labor camps under the last years of czarist rule vs. how many people were in labor camps under Lenin's rule?

[Hannah Bell]

58. question for you: *when* was "lenin's rule," & *what* did he *rule*?

second question: "who" is analyzing the "documentation" of labor camp stats you seem to believe is so telling?

the fact is lenin was out of commission part of 1918, half of 1922 & thereafter, until he died in 1924. 4 years, & fighting a civil war + 3 great powers during all of them.

some american civil war "labor camps": http://www.censusdiggins.com/civil_war_prisons.html

[cobalt1999]

61. Data is now available from open central party archieves.

The definitive history of Lenin (should you REALLY want to learn about this subject) is probably the Harvard University publication of Lenin: A Biography by Robert Service.

It is impeccably researched, leverages materials not previously available to other historians, and is probably one of the most well rounded books on this topic.

I suggest you actually learn something on this before you make yourself look too foolish.

[Hannah Bell]

64. Robert Service/ imaterials not previously available to other historians is all I need to hear.

I suggest *you* do more than read a bio by a Cold Warrior famed for gov't-funded tabulations of "deaths due to communism".

meticulously researched, my ass. Oh, & BTW, I was reading Service in the 70s. Fortunately, not the only thing I read.

But you were going to give me some numbers?

[cobalt1999]

65. You are one of those who will disregard anything that conflicts with your preconceived notions.

You are a waste of time.

I'm still waiting on the numbers I asked you for.

[Hannah Bell]

66. i'm waiting for yours. you're the one who asserts there was a huge jump in labor camp prisoners

under lenin, companero.

show me the numbers & your source(s).

funny to hear you speak of preconceived notions.

Lenin's brother = executed by Czar alexander III, 1887.

stalin: imprisoned in siberian labor camps 1908, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1916.

trotsky: 2 years in prison, 4 years in siberia

[ShareTheWoods]

24. Stalin was only worse than Lenin becaused he caused more deaths

But between the two tyrants, you can't get much more failure.

[bird gerhl]

43. Yeah, there's no failure like going from a largely agrarian backwater to routing the NAZIS

and making USA shit its pants for decades after that.

[SoCalDem]

46. Gives new meaning to "blow it out your ass"

:rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

50. Russian revolution: 10/1917; Russian Civil War 1917-1922,

Lenin shot through the lung in two assassination attempts, 1918.

Lenin's strokes & retirement 1922, death 1/24.

The czars had labor camps for 300 years.

Lenin was in effective power for about 4 years.

Your little rolly icon is stupid, cause *you're* the one looking ignorant.

[Mudoria]

60. Too bad it wasn't two shots to the head instead of the lungs..

[Neo Atheist]

67. Your admiration of a man who threw out a pluralistic democracy is revolting

Lest we forget, the February Revolution (which Lenin's side did very little to facilitate) was the result of Alexander Keresnky. Your apparent idol decided democracy wasn't what the Russian people needed, but instead a heavy handed state which produced the greatest mass murderer in the world's history.

[Hannah Bell]

69. not my idol, buddy. but i do have respect for fact v. ideology.

& the fact is, lenin's tenure in power was short; there was no explosion of labor camps during it; lenin, to the best of his ability during a civil war, jailed the opposition. as the czars did before him, as lincoln did during the civil war, as the brits did in india, as EVERY political power on earth does & has done.

otoh, he released "friendlies".

"lenin = labor camp" = knee-jerk ignorance.

[Posteritatis]

32. Read a book (nt)

[Hannah Bell]

51. Take your own advice.

[Posteritatis]

54. Way ahead of you

Anyone who thinks Lenin was anything close to a forward-thinking savior of the people like some folks in this thread do, especially if they think that anytime after the 1920s, is as stupid as they are ignorant.

[cobalt1999]

55. It's a common condition.

For some people, any history no matter how well documented and researched is "propaganda" unless it fits their preconceived view of how they want history to be.

Try telling a republican about Reagan, he'll resort to the same ignorant tactics as the Lenin cult.

[Hannah Bell]

59. Good comparison. Lenin: in power 4 years; Reagan: in power 8 years.

Lenin: fighting a civil war + 3 great powers on his home territory during all of his tenure. Reagan: not.

Lenin: shot through lungs in first year of rule. Reagan: ditto.

Lenin: fully incapacitated by stroke after 4 years in power. Reagan: incapacitated by alzheimer's to some unknown degree at unknown point in his rule.


show me your rummelly facts on "labor camps". it isn't me in a "cult," buddy. i'm not a fan of lenin; i just don't like manufactured history.

[Hannah Bell]

57. "a forward-thinking savior of the people" the poster didn't say that.

he said the country needed a lenin or robspierre. the context clearly indicating "to overthrow the banksters & fraudsters".

& since lenin was incapacitated part of 1918 with a bullet to the lungs & after may 1922 with stroke, anyone who thinks lenin had much to do with policy "anytime after the 1920s" is stupid as they are ignorant".

[Coventina]

10. I am adamantly opposed to the destruction of art, any art.

Good, bad, propaganda or not.

But I do find an element of humor in this story, especially the photograph.

[VWolf]

11. Wow, so this really isn't

an April Fool's joke???

I too abhor the destruction of art, but that photo is f'ing hilarious.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. That crazy ol' Valdi.

Always saying "Pull my finger".

[dugaresa]

15. damn monarchists

[Generator]

16. He was quite the gas bag, no?

[paparush]

17. Maybe it was the borcht?

[ElboRuum]

18. So.

How long do you think he was holding that fart in?

[heliarc]

19. Looks like Lenin finally took a s#1t on the world economy...

With the banks failing... there's a lot of I told you so.

[martymar64]

21. Vandalism of art is NEVER funny

All you laughing at this can go fuck yourselves. Bunch of fucking barbarians. You're no better than the Taliban when they blew up the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

[ShareTheWoods]

22. Lenin statues are not art... they are handcrafts

And comparing Buddha to a deranged and dangerous person such as Lenin is laughable.

[martymar64]

25. Art is art, no matter who is portrayed

Would you destroy a painting by Ilya Repin of Ivan the Terrible just because you don't like Ivan?
Destroying art is barbaric and you're not the arbiter of what is art or not.
So fuck off, noob!

[teknomanzer]

68. Nothing lasts forever...

why do you believe that art should be the exception? I AM an artist - and I do NOT believe that art is something permanent or "timeless." It is fleeting just like everything else in this world. Art serves the moment - and Lenin's moment is long gone. If you ask me, blowing a hole in Lenin's ass was a wonderful piece of performance art.

As for Buddhist statues - a true Buddhist would tell you that the Buddha is not in the statues. Nor are his teachings. And while we are on the subject of Buddhists - you do know that monks spend days creating intricate mandalas - wonderful pieces of art - with beautifully colored sand - only to scatter it in the end. It served its purpose. Its moment is gone.

Tear down the Sistine Chapel.

[MellowDem]

26. It sure can be funny, even artful!

In this case, I would consider that statue more historical propaganda than art.

[martymar64]

27. Statues of Jesus and the Popes are propaganda

Should we go to the Vatican and blow those up too? Maybe we should blow up every Catholic church.

ANOTHER BARBARIAN FOR THE ERASING OF HISTORY.

[MellowDem]

28. ARGGHHHH!!!

It's cool being a barbarian!

But seriously, I'm not for erasing history. Whoever did this definitely did not erase history. In fact, they reminded everyone of history and made a statement. Generally, I'm not for the destruction of property, but to use "art" as a way to keep people from expressing political opinions just seems silly, and antithetical to art.

If someone blew up a statue of Jesus, I would personally feel that that person could have expressed their opinion more constructively and that also expressing it in such a way is offensive to many Christians, kind of a spit in the face. Same with blowing up statues of Bhudda or Mohammed... (haha, did you catch that one? Gotta keep on your toes on April 1st!). You yourself might not care at all if you have a hate for religion.

If anything, those who revere Lenin are the only ones who will be truly pissed at this. Personally, I think Lenin was an ass, so I don't care too much. Just like I wasn't freaking out about the "art" of the Saddam statues being toppled. Sure, whoever did this could have done it more constructively, maybe. With the situation in Russia the way it is, traditional, lawful forms of opposition are discouraged and almost nonexistent. Given that that is the case, I say good on them for doing this. It's the only option Russia is giving to their people who disagree with them. When you suppress the opposition, you get fireworks.

[martymar64]

29. So burning churches is cool then!

Christians are responsible for more death and misery than Lenin or Stalin or Mao or Hitler combined. Burn all the fucking churches to the ground! And level St Peters and the Sistine Chapel while we're at it. Now that would be a statement!
Also we should blow up every statue of Jefferson Davis and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and every other slaveholding president.

[MellowDem]

31. Ohhhh boy

You have little understanding of history, religion, well, just about everything. And I don't think you read my post. When a society suppresses meaningful political expression, you will get these destructive acts. I don't know where your rant on Christianity is coming from but I think you got some bigotry going on. Seriously, what deaths can you blame on Christians? Kind of hard to do, you know. Lots of wars have multiple causes, and religion is rarely the main impetus behind it. Sure, it can be used for justification, just as many other things can. But your claim is insanely idiotic.

The US allows for meaningful political expression so there is less pent up frustration taken out on statues. And even then people still are destructive, even to statues. The horror! Throw the barbarians in jail! And how dare anyone burn the American Flag, that is a piece of art! Barbarians everywhere!

[martymar64]

39. The Crusades, the Inquisitions, the Witch hunts, Slavery, Conquistadors

As well as the destruction of Native American culture, all Christian murders. I guess you need to read a little more history yourself.
Mao said it right, religion is poison. It is only good for stealing money and keeping the sheep complacent.
As far as meaningful political expression in the US, where is that? All we get are politicians keeping people quiet with vague promises of "hope and change".
Going out and peacefully protesting accomplishes jack shit. It didn't end the Vietnam War or the Iraq War. Kent State and the Ludlow massacre proved that. All it got Gandhi or MLK was death.
If you can't understand that, then go back to being a slave.

[MellowDem]

49. If you are going to blame all those on Christians

then you see the world in very black and white terms. You have to understand that every historical event had multiple causes, not just one actor and impetus. I do believe we have freedom of political expression in the US, though you may disagree on the tactics currently used. But if you think that protesting peacefully accomplishes nothing, wouldn't you agree with this "violent" act?

[Art_from_Ark]

71. Mao was an expert on keeping people complacent

Ship the doctors out of the cities for reindoctrination as dirt farmers in the country.
Ship the dirt farmers out of the country to the cities and turn them into instant doctors.
If anyone complains, send them to a labor camp.
That'll keep 'em complacent.

[IDFbunny]

56. 20th century bodycount winners goes to antireligious bigots

like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pot, Minh

[PittPoliSci]

70. big freakin' deal. one century out of 90.

:sarcasm:

not a compelling argument, you know...

by the by, i still disagree with the person you posted that to, for the record...

[LanternWaste]

63. Self delete

Self delete

[LanternWaste]

62. I'm one of those Visigoths swapping down from the north to pillage Rome...

I delete pdf files of great literature. I am for all intents and purposes, engaging in book burning.


I'm one of those heathen, apostate Visigoths swapping down from the north to pillage Rome your mother warned you about...

:P

[christx30]

36. Would you mind

if I hung up a painted picture of Bush in your house? Would you call help

[ButterflyBlood]

44. Lenin:Buddha isn't exactly a great comparison.

A better example might be those old statues of Saddam. Or undoubedly posters of Hitler everywhere that were destroyed after the fall of that regime.

[PittPoliSci]

45. there's no relativism there.

seriously, get a clue. cultural relativism is dead.

[ohio2007]

30. subliminal message

[bemildred]

33. "Blow it out your ass." nt

[Cali_Democrat]

34. LOL

nt

[ogneopasno]

37. I find this really sad. I lived in St. Pete and this was one of my favorite statues.

[dbonds]

38. He really shouldn't have eaten at Taco Bell.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

41. ...

:spray:

[SoCalDem]

47. Borscht Burritos are da BOMB !

[GoddessOfGuinness]

42. Looks like a serious case of anal poisoning to me.

But they should consult with Rush to be sure.

IknowIknow...The vandalism isn't at all funny. It's just that the picture begs for many captions.

[Blandocyte]

48. Keep fighting on though the end's in sight

is what the statue seems to be saying now

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Whew, I thought the GWOT had come to Seattle(Fremont).

[Tab]

72. "... a gaping hole in his rear"

... seems most appropriate

To paraphrase Chevy Chase: "In tonight's news, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin is still dead."