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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:28 PM
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Israel cabinet picture doctored to remove women
Source: BBC

Two ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspapers have altered a photo of Israel's new cabinet, removing two female ministers.
Limor Livnat and Sofa Landver were grouped with the rest of the 30-member cabinet for their inaugural photo.
But Yated Neeman newspaper digitally changed the picture by replacing them with two men. The Shaa Tova newspaper blacked the women out.
Publishing pictures of women is viewed by many ultra-orthodox Jews as a violation of female modesty.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7982146.stm
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:29 PM
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1. right wing nutcases
sad to see extremism in a country that really would be better off without them.

Right Wing=Death Wish
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:36 PM
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3. I've never understood their hatred for women n/t
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:38 PM
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4. Women must terrify them therefore they make sure they are kept beneath them in society
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 01:39 PM by Sultana
and home life.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:41 PM
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6. inferiority and the artificial superiority to hide behind
there isn't much to understand.... it's all fear based.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:30 PM
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2. Tell me again why we send billions in support to them

I just don't get it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:41 PM
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7. this has zip to do with why we should or should not send them billions
something I wish we didn't do. This isn't a gov't action. It's the action of a small number of fundy nuts- though at the rate they breed, they may not be such a small minority much longer. But if you don't think we don't have fundy nuts here, well, look again.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:03 PM
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10. They are doing it with government approval

The fact that the media in Israel can get away with this kind of thing with impunity proves that.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:05 PM
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11. I doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with the gov.
and the media in Israel puts ours to shame. period.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:46 PM
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25. I doubt that the government approves...
and the Opposition Leader certainly doesn't! (she's female - as is the Speaker of the Knesset).

The Israeli government, especially the current one, has plenty of faults, but they aren't on a religious mission against women in power.

This wasn't a mainstream media source. It's worrying that these religious loonies have any influence at all, but they're not the government.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:55 PM
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15. Are you pretending their society is more patriarchal than ours?
Are you pretending that one loony sect is an entire government...because I want you to meet the Mormons, Scientologists, and Baptists.
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Wabbajack_ Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:03 PM
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16. "Are you pretending their society is more patriarchal than ours?"
Are there US Newspapers that won't publish pictures of women?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:08 PM
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17. Almost certainly.
There are, after all, members of the same Jewish groups in Israel, in this country. There are also members of other religions. These groups likely do have their own newspapers. The newspapers in question were hardly Ha'aretz or the JP or any major paper.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:38 PM
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5. Fundamentalist at work
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:48 PM
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8. ... why????? i just don't get it.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:53 PM
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9. Surreal
Uppity women cabinet members!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:21 PM
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12. Like what Stalin did with pictures of Trotsky
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:13 PM
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19. why I always thought Stalin was the gov't.
your comparison is absurd.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:48 PM
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13. mods - looks like BBC has changed the headline title (nt)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:42 PM
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24. Yes, BBC changed the headline since this was posted
It now reads: Papers alter Israel cabinet photo
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:53 PM
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14. Good grief
And these people talk about muslim extremists. Good grief.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:12 PM
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18. for pity's sake
this wasn't a gov't action. it wasn't the Israeli MSM- in fact they're the ones that broke the story and made fun of these kooks. This was the action of two loony minority groups who run their own newspapers.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:36 PM
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20. The religiously insane are, by definition, insane.
It doesn't matter what religion they espouse.

Tesha

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SledDriver Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:24 PM
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21. They altered more than that...


Take a look. Second guy in on the left (and the guy behind him) were removed as well. Last guy on the left end has changed as well.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:31 PM
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22. The second from the left front guy got moved into the place of the woman left of Bibi.
The guy third from the right got moved into the place of the woman right of Bibi.

And so much for pictures as proof of much of anything.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:41 PM
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23. Misogyny is at the core of the beliefs of all monotheistic religions
and until people of faith disavow, condemn, reject, denounce, and renounce the remnants of patriarchy, there is little hope that we will bury misogyny for good, together with its twin homophobia.

How about the new Aghan law that allows husbands to rape their wives?
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:14 PM
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26. Why do they allow photographs of men?
If they are so religious, wouldn't that be a prohibited "graven image"?
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