North Korea space launch 'fails'

[dipsydoodle]

Source: BBC News

North Korea failed in its attempt to get a satellite into space after a rocket launch early on Sunday, US and South Korean officials say.

Two stages of the rocket and its payload landed in the Pacific Ocean, a US military statement said.

Hours earlier North Korea claimed the satellite had successfully been put into orbit and was transmitting data.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7984254.stm

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This is the actual LBN so no its not a duplicate.

[freedomnorth]

1. DPRK says their satellite is sending music

"It is sending to the earth the melodies of the immortal revolutionary paeans 'Song of General Kim Il-sung' and 'Song of General Kim Jong-il' and measured information at 470 MHz. By the use of the satellite the relay communications is now underway by UHF frequency band.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSEO88417

So I guess anyone with a sufficient radio equipment can verify this?

[dipsydoodle]

2. If true that might at least

have had sufficient taste to have broadcast Bob Marley.

[geckosfeet]

4. O dear. What a dreadful music selection.

[Lasher]

50. They sound like real foot tappers, don't they? n/t

[ohio2007]

5. satellite communicating with "glorious" Kim Il-sung' who is using anytime minutes to talk to Kim jr

He congratulates his son for taking care of the people so well.

[Deja Q]

9. I had no idea they liked Britney Spears. But the song "Toxic" is probably their national anthem...

[earcandle]

14. Musical taste is a subjective intracultural matter always.

[bluesmail]

18. Sounds like the it could be the music of propaganda.

[Bicoastal]

3. Of all the evil dictatorships in the world...

...North Korea is definitely the most ridiculous.

[Juche]

6. Ever read in depth about it?

I can't remember which book it was (Rogue Regime or under the loving care of the fatherly leader) but they talk about how in Pyongyang you walk down the street and no cars drive on the massive highways, and you go into stores to buy fruit and the fruit is all made of plastic. Then you go into a hospital, and the machines aren't even plugged in, they are just there to give the impression of wealth.

Very messed up situation. I hope there is a hell so the Kims to spend some time there.

[comrade snarky]

29. The Ryugyong Hotel in Pyongyang

Sat empty for 15 years since construction stopped due to structural problems. It's a concrete shell that was supposed to have thousands of rooms (for all that N. Korean tourism) and 7 different revolving restaurants.

Sure 3 revolving restaurants, even 5 makes sense... but 7!

That's just silly.

[Deja Q]

8. Insanity is a wonderful thing. All you need is someone rational to put it to proper use.

Then again, they're all raving nutters, clearly incapable of working with other people.

President Obama and the other world leaders, who told NK there would be repercussions, now need to follow through.

[earcandle]

15. Rather harsh pov, isn't it?

Why all this hatred?  Most of what you hear about other
countries is propaganda.
Do you have personal experience of being in NK and finding
yourself in nutty situations
with nutty people or are you mouthing hearsay? 

[Bicoastal]

22. Do YOU know anyone who's even BEEN to North Korea? I don't either; neither do most people.

That's because no one can even enter the country without permission from the government, and even then, your visit is tightly controlled.

And while we criticize our media, Reporters Without Borders ranked the US under Bush a 36 out of 173 countries on their "freedom of the press" index--BUT THEY RANKED NORTH KOREA 172 OUT OF 173. I mean, this trumps Fox News; the Government IS the media in North Korea. (RWB could just be giving us propaganda, but I doubt it.)

I give up. Read up a little on the subject, I beg you. Not everything negative you read about other countries is a complete Rovian lie.

[earcandle]

24. I am just saying that repeating negative hearsay doesn't help to keep us out of wars.

Unless a country (not a bunch of criminals) bombs us or takes
our people hostage,
do we have a right to intervene.

I don't waste my time doing research, because if it is written
in english
what I'll find probably isn't true or is entangled in conflict
habituated language.

What I am looking for is constructive ways to deal with word
pollution
out to cause more terror and ramp up justification for it. 

Wars are not the way.  They hurt people, destroy land and
buildings and
people lives.  It is old thinking and our planet just cannot
take it 
and we are running out of the fuel needed to keep up the
insanity.

We need to use language to get our needs met. 

I did have a housemate from South Korea for some time, 
and they were not happy about our 50 year occupation, 
nor the way the USA kept the two sides divided. 

[Bicoastal]

33. You can't trust anything you read in English about North Korea?!

Then I give up. There's no reasoning with logic like that. Bye.

[Psephos]

52. "I don't waste my time doing research"

and "...if it is written in english what I'll find probably isn't true or is entangled in conflict habituated (sic) language."

umm, ok

yet,

"We need to use language to get our needs met."

So, which is it?

Neither? Both?

I guess whatever it takes to rationalize the psychos who run N.K. :crazy:

[Psephos]

53. delete - double post

[New Dawn]

37. Yes, I do know someone who has visited the DPRK.

He is a Canadian. You can enter from either Russia or China. The country is not at all how it is described on Fox News, CNN and the New York Times. While the streets are not made of gold or anything, it is a lot better off than many other poor countries (like in Sub-Saharan Africa).

The main reason we are told that it is so evil is because the Neocons and other imperialists want to take over North Korea's territory, so that they can place more US military bases along the border of China and Russia (part of the encirclement strategy). China and Russia realize this, which is why they did not allow Bush to invade.

Finally, it was not the government of North Korea who invaded Iraq and murdered 1.4 million people and displaced millions more. That was the US government.

[Odin2005]

39. Oh BS. They are having famines constantly.

It's stupid posts like this that make the whole Left look like we are all a bunch of anti-West ideologues. :banghead:

Frankly the Neo-Cons taking over NK would be an improvement for them, it's THAT BAD there (maybe we can ship all the Neo-Cons there?).

[Dreamer Tatum]

42. Sounds like you know someone who's been paid by the DPRK

I recommend looking up The Aquariums of Pyongyang, for openers.

[New Dawn]

46. No, obviously he was not paid by anyone, he was a tourist.

Secondly, attempting to slander people you do not even know does not convince anyone of your position. And if you want to read about torture and murder, read Killing Hope: http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Hope-Military-Interventions-Since/dp/1567510523

[Dreamer Tatum]

47. Horror at the conditions in North Korea is hardly "my opinion"

And how right you are: the nonexistence of human rights in North Korea is COMPLETELY mitigated by each and every counterpoint you can drag off of Amazon.

You can post your opinion on the Internet, for free if you try, in an air conditioned public library with clean restrooms and drinking water. When you can do that in North Korea without wearing a military uniform dripping with ribbons, report back to me.

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. Compared to South Korea, how would you explain this fact about North Korean Men:

Average height of North Korean Men 18-30 yrs of age = 165.6 cm

Average Height of South Korean Men 18-30 yrs of age = 173.3 cm

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.nordic/browse_thread/thread/b7642711edd1fb61/433d4d8d2af9db49

[clixtox]

10. As "evil" as the North Koreans are supposed to be...

they are no where near as horribly evil as the actual real world hub of the "axis of evil", the USA.

We are the number one terrorist nation in the world, bar none.

There is no disputing this hard, cold, tragic fact.

The USA has perpetrated more death by genocide and war crimes than any other nation, possibly ever in history.

We have murdered tens of thousands of innocents in a single day and rationalized and even bragged about it.

At least twice!

We nearly wiped out a whole continent of indigenous people to steal and exploit their land and resources.

At one time we stole about half of Mexico! Really! Talk about karma...

We made the "Louisiana Purchase" from a willing seller (France) without legitimate title.

Same with "buying" Alaska from the Russians.

We also stole Hawaii from the Hawaiians.

We "liberated" the Philippines from the Spanish and then occupied and exploited them ruthlessly until the Japanese ran us out.

We are still in Guam and Saipan ruthlessly exploiting their labor.

Our relations with Cuba were very exploitive from the Spanish-American war until Fidel Castro threw us out about 60 years later.

We made war on the small country of Panama to capture our own creation, Manuel Noriega, killing hundreds, or thousands, of innocent people. We tried and convicted Noriega and sentenced him to prison and then when he had served his sentence they refuse to release him. basically keeping him kidnapped. The "snatch" of Noriega in Panama by our military was called, "Just Cause", what hypocrisy!

We kidnap and torture innocent people.

North Korea apparently also has kidnapped innocent people but I haven't heard about the North Koreans torturing them.

The list goes on and on of our inhumanity and cruelty.

All of these malicious deeds are done in our name, of course...

We could, and should be doing good in the world instead of destroying it and the lives of so many innocents and calling that, "collateral damage".

I love my country, the USA, but I am not willing to delude myself, or anyone else, about who we really are now and our own too often despicable history.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. So, that means no one else in the world can be evil

I mean, that must be your point, since you went out of your way to shit on your country, a country that is moving in the right direction under the Obama administration, in some sort of misguided defense of N. Korea.

Weird.

[earcandle]

26. It amazes me the trigger happy mentality of those who believe in war and destruction.

[clixtox]

27. What your post definitely indicates is that...

like too many good, patriotic citizens of the United States of America, you never during your "education" process learned how to read for meaning. In other words you have never learned how to understand exactly what the message is when you are reading challenging material.

Of course every government ever known throughout history has been evil to some degree, some more so and some less evil but, like evil is reflected in all of us, so it will be with government. How a government is constituted is of little import, they are intrinsically and immediately evil. That is one of the basic appeals of anarchism.

I certainly didn't go "out of my way" to type a very abbreviated list of evil, evil acts our government has, and are now perpetrating. Speaking truthfully about our country's horribly evil history isn't, as you so elegantly put it, "shit(ting) on your country". Our country has a sordid history of armed aggression, intimidation, genocide, mass murder, heinous war crimes, overthrowing other countries governments including democratically elected governments, even surreptitiously testing deadly substances on our own citizens, and myriads of other criminal acts in our names.

Now it is certainly possible that while you were being indoctrinated into the ins and outs of consumerism and good citizenship, you were not told about how horrible, as a country, we have behaved throughout our history. From attempting to exterminate the American Indians, burning witches at the stake and owning and trading slaves. Yes, boys and girls, in the purported "Land of the Free", a significant proportion of the American people once lived and died at the whim of their OWNERS!

If you were actually able to read, and understand what you read, you wouldn't have written that I was was engaged "in some sort of misguided defense of N. Korea". My only positive comment about the N. Koreans is that they don't torture their kidnapping victims, as far as I have heard, like we have been doing, albeit usually through proxies. (We are so hypocritically righteous!)

I do have HOPE!

I too believe that there needs to be CHANGE!

Fixing our obviously inadequate "educational" paradigm is just as important as having honest elections again, no more wars, ending the drug war now, universal and single-payer health care, etc.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Its funny that you can use so many words that, together, have so little meaning

Really, save your elitist "I know more than you about the country" rhetoric for somebody else.

The thread was about N. Korea launching a long range rocket into the Pacific Ocean. You, for some unknown, strange reason, used that as a on-ramp to rant about the dark history of the United States.

I don't think anyone with two brain cells believes that America ever was or now is perfect. People such yourself don't have a reading comprehension problem, but instead cannot focus on one problem at a time. Instead of looking at N. Korea and thinking "Gee, this country is a bad state actor, and its worrisome that a crackpot like Kim would have a missle that may one day be able to kill a lot of innocent folks in Hawaii", you instead want to use this as another chance to let all us peons know that America isn't perfect.

Don't let your "brains" get in the way of actual, modern day problem solving.

[freedomnorth]

49. Actually, its not so strange. These things have connection.

If you place yourself in to the position of North Korean military commanders. You know everything Clixtox listed, as they do. You know that USA has very aggressive history. You know that USA has a history of overthrowing even democratically elected governments, and you country has a name Democratic People's Republic of Korea. In this position it becomes utterly understandable that you want to defend your country and way of life against very real risk (if you look at history) of attack. You perhaps want to have nuclear deterrent and peaceful space program?

[Joe the Revelator]

51. If we are going to use history as our guide....

then we should not trust Kim Sung-Il, know that N. Korea is far from a people's republic, understand that he runs the largest prison camp in the world and that he keep his people in a constant state of fear ( who does this remind you of?) in order to control them). Kim is no one to feel sorry for.

[Odin2005]

40. There are some on the Left who reflexively hate The West and think it's the source of all evil.

It's a wacky fusion of Marxism and naive Romanticism.

[Psephos]

54. Pithy and epigrammatic way to put it n/t

[earcandle]

16. this is the real menace to all of us, we are guilty yet no one seems to be the blame....

[Doctor Panacea]

28. Very well stated

This is the real menace to all of us. We are guilty, yet no one seems to be to blame.

Very well stated, earcandle. (I edited your quote just a little.)

In all sincerity, your statement is profoundly true.

[New Dawn]

38. Thanks for the informative post.

BTW, everyone should read William Blum's book, Killing Hope: http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Hope-C-I-Interventions-II-Updated/dp/1567512526/

[Dreamer Tatum]

43. Oh, bullshit

Posts like this make liberals look plain old stupid.

Want to know how to neutralize North Korean infantry and eliminate their will to fight? Set up mess tents right over the 38th parallel.

[Deja Q]

7. Well, either they were testing a missile, or...

the materials they used to build the satellite came from China and were, of course, defective.

What the truth is, we do not know.

However, NK has defied several world leaders.

The response will be interesting.

Strange NK's leader lets his people starve. He won't have any followers left...

[earcandle]

17. Korea is a sovereign nation and is not under the purview of the USA or anyone?

Where do we get off telling other nations what they can and
cannot do?

[ohio2007]

20. Their ICBM test went over another soveriegn nation

oh..

but you honestly thought it was a satellite launch ?

LOL :rofl: :spray:

[earcandle]

25. How can we know for sure.. doesn't this prove my earlier point?

Don't get riled up over other country's behavior when
we can't even control our own country's behavior in the world.


Unless there is a direct threat to US.  

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Yeah, living in a bubble is so much more healthy.

[ohio2007]

32. The missile trajectory path was over Japan. I'm sure they know for sure by tracking it on radar

the only unknown for sure is the size of the payload cone.....and what could be stuffed inside it.
imo, the japanese have some first hand knowledge about what these weapons can do so don't blame them if they get rattled about an object comming over the horizon from the land of "the dear leader".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3808493
Is it rational to starve the peasants and feed the dear leader ?

[sudopod]

35. Actually, you can tell fairly easily by what sort of trajectory it took.

There are particular directions one would want to launch the rocket into in order to maximize fuel efficiency for a boost into orbit. Haven't heard an analysis of that yet, though.

[Odin2005]

41. Fuck "national sovereignty", evil totalitarian governments have no such right to "sovereignty".

Sad that you agree with China in thinking that "national sovereignty" is more important than human rights. Doing what is right does not end at national borders.

[Botany]

11. Taepodong gone?

:rofl:

[ohio2007]

12. That would make it a successful missile test

but they can save face and call it a failed "space" orbit attempt.

[jmowreader]

23. Successful if they're attempting to recreate the V-2, otherwise no

Apparently the Nazis felt a V-2 mission was successful if the rocket landed in England.

[ohio2007]

34. They know where and how far down range it splashed, therefore they have a known range

they are capable of dialing in.

I doubt they have the funding to put Irans ( or any other countries ) satellites into space but the Iranians were invited to view from a front row seat.

?

Why is that ? What could they possibly hope to gain ?
odd indeed that the media felt little need to report it.

oh wait

maybe they did try to report it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3807501

nawww

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

21. It should be easy to verify that it is transmitting, if it is

What's the vector, Victor?

[awoke_in_2003]

36. Roger, Roger. nt

[inwiththenew]

44. I want to know

What would have happened if the rocket crapped out over Japanese airspace and landed in Japan? Then what would have happened?

[MonteLukast]

45. Lots of talk and little to back it up.

"North Korea is second to none when it comes to chest-beating and saber-rattling".

Saddam Hussein was the same way-- lots of bombast and more loaded words than substantive menace. The strange thing is, it looks like to deal with North Korea, we need to handle Kim Jong-Il the way we never did handle Saddam.