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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 01:07 PM
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Karzai bows to international calls to scrap Afghan 'rape' law
Edited on Sun Apr-05-09 01:59 PM by Turborama
Source: Observer (UK)

Gordon Brown tells President Hamid Karzai that British soldiers could not die defending regime that oppresses women

Jon Boone in Kabul
Sunday 5 April 2009 16.15 BST

Afghanistan is to review legislation which the UN says would legalise rape within marriage after a dramatic reversal from the president, Hamid Karzai, who signed the rules into law last month.

Karzai has bowed to intense international pressure to scrap the law, described by the UN human rights chief in Afghanistan as "reminiscent of the decrees made by the Taliban regime". It is said to forbid women to refuse to have sex with their husbands and force them to get their spouses' permission before leaving the house, looking for a job, going to the doctor or receiving education.

Gordon Brown has led the international condemnation of the law, saying today it would be unacceptable for British soldiers to die defending a regime that enacted oppressive legislation of this kind. The prime minister told Sky News that Nato leaders had attacked the law in the communique issued at the end of the summit in Strasbourg, and that Karzai had told him it would not come into force in the way that it had been reported.

"I phoned the president immediately about this because anybody who looks at Afghanistan will be worried if we are going to see laws brought in that discriminate against women and put women at risk," Brown said. "I made it absolutely clear to the president that we could not tolerate that situation. You cannot have British troops fighting, and in some cases dying, to save a democracy where that democracy is infringing human rights. (Karzai) responded by saying this law would not be enacted in the way it has been presented."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/05/afghanistan-shia-rape-law-scrap
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 01:41 PM
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1. Good Leadership Mr. Brown. n/t
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jkappy Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:25 PM
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13. Couldn't Obama have joined him??
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 07:39 AM
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16. Edit
Edited on Mon Apr-06-09 07:41 AM by Dogtown
suddenly i don't care about your post.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:05 PM
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2. Good. Next, to get jobs, health care, education in place to make it so
Afghani's have options to get out of the negatively misogynistic society they have been stuck in.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:09 PM
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3. Karzai needs a good flogging from the Taleban
The Mayor of Kabul's days are numbered.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:33 PM
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6. I think you might find
that the Talebans, mainly in the south , had sfa to do with this. He'd bowed to pressure from the Shias in the north to encourage them to vote for him next time round.

I guess it may be problem throughout that country.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:22 PM
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4. Karzai had told him it would not come into force in the way that it had been reported.
Nowhere in the article does he say how it would 'come into force"

I would love an explanation of this
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:26 PM
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5. Many of the NATO allies talked among themselves about this
And Obama was asked directly in Strasbourg yesterday about the law, and condemned it, calling it, (and I quote) "abhorrent"!

I think we under-estimate, so early on, how much power and influence NATO, the EU, and the G20 nations may have on helping to get changes in this world over the next few years, not overnight, but with pressures and collaboration, we may be surprised. This, I think is MY dream, and Obama's, too. I hope he and I are both right.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:34 PM
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7. Good news. Thanks for posting.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 02:35 PM
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8. Lots of wiggle room here
"(Karzai) responded by saying this law would not be enacted in the way it has been presented."

That could mean just about anything.

"Defenders of the law have pointed out that the legislation was improved by the lower house of parliament, which introduced the concession allowing women to leave their homes without the permission of their husbands if they had a good reason to."

So who decides what's a good reason? Does a woman have to petition a court to leave her house? A village elder? Her father? This is no actual improvement in the law, just public relations. No doubt the change in the marital rape clause will be similar.


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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 03:02 PM
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9. Karzai has failed his people miserably, what a pathetic bastard.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 03:31 PM
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10. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:09 PM
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11. He signed it to get votes! What a miserable piece of excrement Karzai is.
Thank you, Mr. Brown. Where was Obama?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:20 PM
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12. I want to add that the title might be misleading. We need to insist that
this legislation is not enacted in any form...that it will not come into force in any way at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:27 PM
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14. Agreed! This is all very vague and we need to follow it. n/t
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 05:38 PM
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15. Heckuva job, Brownie!
It's good to be able to say that without irony.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 11:26 AM
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17. British troops and American troops have died for a regime that discriminates against women and
continue so to do. Sharia law discriminates against women and Bushco allowed all of Sharia law into the Iraqi Constitution.
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