Binghamton Gunman Fired 98 Shots in Just Over a Minute

[underpants]

Source: Fox News

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. — A Vietnamese immigrant who killed 13 people and himself at an upstate New York civic center fired 98 shots from two handguns in just over a minute, according to police.

Ballistics reports show that 41-year-old Jiverly Wong fired 87 times from a 9mm Beretta and 11 times from a .45-caliber handgun.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513208,00.html

[elocs]

1. Evidently he was not a member of a well regulated militia,

or any militia for that matter.

[slackmaster]

12. He certainly wasn't well regulated, but unfortunately he was a member of the militia

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html

[Winterblues]

2. He had a much better kill ratio than the military.

I think the military figures about five hundred rounds per kill or somewhere in that area.

[sir pball]

6. Way worse than that..

In World War II, the United States and its allies expended 25,000 rounds of ammunition to kill a single enemy soldier. In the Korean War, the ammunition expenditure had increased four-fold to 100,000 rounds per soldier; in the Vietnam War, that figure had doubled to 200,000 rounds of ammunition for the death of a single enemy soldier.

With (real) assault rifles no less.

W. Hays Parks, Colonel, USMC, Chief of the JAG's International Law Branch (1985-09-23). "Memorandum: Sniper Use of Open-Tip Ammunition"

[slackmaster]

13. Or the New York City PD

:argh:

[Hangingon]

3. This guy could shoot a lot faster than I can

My range bans rapid fire and gangsta shooting, but I tried rapid fire at the lease. Fifteen rounds go pretty fast but reloading is slower, even with the drop out feature. Needless to say, accuracy was very poor.

[groundloop]

5. Accuracy doesn't matter much when there's a room full of targets at point blank range.

[MercutioATC]

4. ...and neither of these firearms would be covered under a renewed AWB.

...just sayin'

[damntexdem]

18. So such a ban needs to be broader.

Thanks for the info.

[MercutioATC]

21. If you wanted to stop this shooting, you'd need a ban on all firearms.

That's true of ANY shooting, actually.

...and, even then, there would be people with guns.....they'd just be the criminals.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. You won't be able to ban semi-automatic weapons.

If we try the Dems will lose for the next 20 years.

David

[L0oniX]

7. Someone actually sat there and counted?

[wartrace]

8. That is what police do after you call for help.

They wait outside until they feel safe enough to enter, bag up the bodies & "investigate". During the investigation they would probably collect all the empty shell casings & count them.

In other words, the police are just about useless in cases like this. When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

[pattmarty]

9. I'm guessing from expended shells on the scene.......

.......either way he had to have a bunch of extra loaded "clips". I am not a gun person per se (I do have three handguns)but some of the auto magazines can hold 15 (and some maybe more) rounds. I believe (someone here can correct if I'm wrong) that by law a handgun can only hold 10 rounds, although you can purchase larger magazines at gun shows and out of magazines very easily. I am not a gun nut because I own guns, I believe that there should be a ban on fully automatic assault rifles and a national clearing house type of deal for people that apply for a gun. People with mental problems AND people convicted of violent crimes should NOT be allowed to own ANY type of gun. So, I do own handguns, but I believe they should be REGULATED like a hell of a lot of other things. I am a firm believer in law and regulation.

[dmallind]

10. delete. Nothing bad - just wrong info self deleted.

[RamboLiberal]

11. For at least Glocks you can get an extended "stick" magazine

Holds at least 30. A quick google revealed one that holds 33 rounds. I suspect he may have had a couple of those.

http://www.sniperworld.com/item/42337_Scherer_High_Capacity_Magazine__Extended_Magazine.aspx

I know there are competition shooters who are extremely quick in loading fresh mags in to their firearms.

[slackmaster]

14. It only takes a couple of seconds to change magazines

The capacity really isn't much of an issue.

I believe that there should be a ban on fully automatic assault rifles and a national clearing house type of deal for people that apply for a gun.

We already have that. It's called the National Firearms Act registry. It's been in place since 1934. The registry was closed in 1986, so ordinary citizens are limited to the fully automatic weapons that were in the registry at that time. There are something like 125,000 of them.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/index.htm

[pattmarty]

15. No, what I meant is something entirely new set up by Federal law..........

.............computerized that would "clear" or list convicted VIOLENT criminals AND people with a history of mental illness. I believe there anti-gun groups calling for something like this already. I believe the "act" you refer to, is the law that was set up to outlaw "machine guns". Either way, it either isn't enforced anymore or not on the "books" anymore.

[slackmaster]

16. We already have that too - the National Instant Check System

It was implemented as one of the permanent provisions of the Brady Act.

It has a few weaknesses - Not all states are diligent about reporting mental health adjudications, and the system can only be used by gun dealers. I have a collector's Federal Firearms License, and I can't use it.

[pattmarty]

17. Nope, that ain't good enough either, been there, done that.....................

............................and it doesn't have a "few weaknesses", it has huge fucking gaps.

[slackmaster]

19. The gaps can be fixed - BTW, why do you think the laws on machine guns aren't being enforced?

The BATFE enforces tne NFA quite aggressively. They recently ruled that a shoelace was an unregistered machinegun because someone used it to make his rifle fire pseudo-automatically.

[RamboLiberal]

20. N.Y. shooter had history of frequent weapons purchases

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. — The man who gunned down 13 people on Friday was well known at a Johnson City, N.Y., outdoors store, where he often purchased or exchanged handguns, a store employee said.

Jiverly A. Wong, 41, frequently exchanged guns at the store, said Dave Henderson, Gander Mountain's outdoor education series coordinator. Wong would buy a handgun and shoot it for a few weeks before returning it, saying he didn't like the gun, Henderson said.

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Henderson, whose primary role at Gander Mountain is to teach and organize seminars, said he worked the gun counter when staffing at the store was low. In the 20 or so times he worked the gun counter in the past six months, Henderson said Wong either bought or exchanged guns five or six times.

Around Christmastime last year, Wong came back to the store the day after purchasing a gun, saying he had changed his mind and wanted to get a new one. He hadn't yet received the first gun, a process that takes about two weeks, Henderson said.

The guns used in the attack were a 9 mm and a weapon with an interchangeable barrel that could switch from 9 mm handgun to .45-caliber.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-05-new-york-shooting_N.htm