CIA 'no longer' using secret prisons: director

[cal04]

Source: AFP

The CIA is "no longer" operating secret prisons used by the intelligence agency to interrogate terror suspects, and plans to shut all remaining "black sites," the spy agency's director said Thursday.

The statement by the Central Intelligence Agency chief confirmed the spy service was carrying out an order from President Barack Obama to shut down the secret prisons that have been condemned at home and abroad as a flagrant violation of human rights.

"CIA no longer operates detention facilities or black sites and has proposed a plan to decommission the remaining sites," CIA director Leon Panetta said in a letter sent to agency employees.

"I have directed our agency personnel to take charge of the decommissioning process and have further directed that the contracts for site security be promptly terminated," he said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090409/wl_afp/usattacksintelligence_20090409174632

[saigon68]

1. A crock of BULLSHIT

[goforit]

20. Obama's pro-Bush policies are hurting his polls, so this "phoney" story might help.

Crock of shit is right!!!!

[hootinholler]

29. The proof is in the quote:

"CIA no longer operates detention facilities or black sites and has proposed a plan to decommission the remaining sites,"

Which is it? We no longer operate them, or we have a plan to stop?

:grr:

-Hoot

[EFerrari]

30. Ya think?

[librechik]

2. guess we just have to take their word for it.

Of course, that is also what they said when they WERE using the prisons.

Disband the fucker. We don't need the CIA.

[muryan]

3. Yea, why would a modern country need an intelligence agency

Thats just totally pro-corporate fascism MAN.

CIA needs some work/reform, but it spawned to perform a necessary task.

[Idealism]

4. We have over a dozen intelligence agencies working in this country who can pick up any slack fine.

The CIA has outlived its use.

[KansDem]

12. Members of the Intelligence Community (IC)

Director of National Intelligence
Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence
Air Force Intelligence
Army Intelligence
Central Intelligence Agency
Coast Guard Intelligence
Defense Intelligence Agency
Department of Energy
Department of Homeland Security
Department of State
Department of the Treasury
Drug Enforcement Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Marine Corps Intelligence
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
National Reconnaissance Office
National Security Agency
Navy Intelligence

intelligence.gov

And yet, they all got the intel "wrong" on 9/11?...:eyes:

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. Not to mention the cooperation of friendly foreign agencies

MI5, MI6 (Britain)
Mossad (Israel)
DST (France)
Bundesnachrichtendienst BND (Germany)
CSIS (Canada)

and innumerable others...

[defendandprotect]

34. And the long list of intelligence agencies which warned us of 9/11 . . .!!!

Russia was so concerned about Bush's Operation Ignore that they went to

the United Nations Security Council with their information . . .

In August of 2001, the United Nations sent its representatives to warn

Bush and our intelligence agencies of the information Russia had been

supply which included specifics --

We now know the administration had been advised of the day the attacks

would occur!!!

[goforit]

21. Don't forget the OSP.

[muryan]

24. Which one of those is responsible for foreign intel?

humint? sigint? The FBI is a domestic agency. Most of those agencies listed above have more janitors than intelligence staff. The CIA was created to be a civilian intelligence agency, separate of the military (which just so happen to be the only agencies on your list with any capability).

[jmowreader]

26. Puh-LEEZ!

The problem wasn't the intelligence. Remember, the PDB of 8/6/2001 was titled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S."

The problem was the consumer--Bush. It would have taken just too much work for him to have one of his staff call the airlines and tell them, "be on your guard; if overly-nervous people bearing one-way plane tickets paid for in cash, and who have no luggage, attempt to check in for a flight, please have your airport's police force detain them for questioning."

Liberals have no problem with this kind of profiling, as it is just standard police work. Then again, the only reason Bush cared about liberals' opinion of anything he did is so he would be sure to do things they didn't like.

[stillcool]

16. the other intelligence agencies..

will do the same thing..Rummie took away some of the intelligence activities from the CIA, and put it under the Pentagon's control..along with the budget..which is 'classified'. Too bad we still teach torture at the School of the America's or whatever it is called these days.

[defendandprotect]

35. Often, CIA money has been in school budgets . . . !!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. And what task was that?

Did it EVER do anything right?

It overthrew democratically elected governments. It supported dictatorial governments. It assassinated, and attempted to assassinate, foreign leaders. It poisoned our relationships with Iran, Cuba, Central America as a whole, most of the middle east. It did NOT give us prior intelligence on the Soviet incursion into Poland in '54, Hungary in '56, Czechoslovakia in '68, Afghanistan in '79. It almost single-handedly created the cocaine traffic from Colombia and Bolivia to support its illicit wars in Central America.

Name ONE CIA success.

[KansDem]

10. Well, it did manage to smuggle an impressive amount of cocaine into this country

Wikipedia

But you were probably referring to "good things"

CIA = "Cocaine Into America"

Oh, the CIA did mange to find Osama--

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July: French report claims terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital

...but that was before it became more advantageous for BushCo to not find OBL.

[stillcool]

17. well gosh..looks like it did everything right!

how are American business interests to be protected, so they can grow into behemoth multi-national corporations?

[muryan]

22. Sorry, not going to defend my profession

against someone whose knowledge of it can be boiled down to one sy hersh article.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. It's not the profession I have a problem with - it is the agency, which

has been a tool for American imperialism since its inception. It is NOT an intelligence agency - it is a black operations agency, less interested in gathering valuable intelligence than imposing a sick ideology upon the world. While other agencies have sometimes lost their way, and their mission, the CIA has ALWAYS been the creation of the Dulles vision of US hegemony. It has always acted against genuine democratic movements, and supported fascist and dictatorial movements.

Oh, and you don't know me - you know nothing of my background, or my knowledge of US intelligence agencies. Your snide bullshit about 'one Sy Hersh article' is as meaningless as your claim to that profession.

[muryan]

42. I made an observation, you're making an assumption

My position is slightly more tenable I think.

The CIA has been the main apparatus for projecting political power in the world, most of the examples you listed above were signed off on by presidents. Claiming the CIA is not an intelligence agency is the most absurd argument yet, even today with the massive expansion of the NCS...clandestine ops are still far less staffed than the intelligence side.

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Bullshit. You set up a strawman, and then attacked my intelligence.

You start out saying you will not try to defend 'your profession' - which nobody was attacking - the CIA is not a profession, it is an organization, and it is the rogue organization that I have problems with.

It may have been chartered as, as its name says, an agency that is the central gatherer and analist of foreign intelligence, but the CIA has been a rogue operation since its inception, as I mentioned above.

You say "The CIA has been the main apparatus for projecting political power in the world". That is NOT its charter. That's the state department's job. The CIA was NOT created to overthrow governments, assassinate foreign opposition (as well as local opposition) and be the black-ops thugs for right wing administrations. There is not a SINGLE job being done by the CIA that is not being duplicated by a half dozen other agencies - and THAT is what the CIA was created to do, to bring all intelligence operations under one roof so we would know what the fuck we are doing. They have not done that from the beginning. Ever since the CIA was overthrowing the president of Iran to put a friendly fascist in power we had to rely on DIA and NSA for REAL intelligence.

The supposedly small roll of 'clandestine ops' is smokescreen - if the CIA truly believes that is roll is "main apparatus for projecting political power in the world", then entire CIA is a clandestine op which should be disbanded immediately and a significant number of its people put in jail.

Or are you now going to defend the CIA secret prisons?

http://aljazeera.com/news/articles/42/Somalia_Another_CIAbacked_coup_blows_up.html

[defendandprotect]

36. Correct . . .

but, unfortunately, I'm sure they count those decades of violence as their "successes" --

and, of course, what they practiced and accomplished in other nations they brought home

to America ---

Will anyone in power ever confirm our decades of political violence which continues even

today?

[defendandprotect]

37. Even Truman spoke of his regret for creating this American "Gestapo" . . .

In fact, Allen Dulles' Nazis - brought in via Project Paperclip were used

to found the CIA . . . and were also funneled into the FBI.

[muryan]

41. I'm missing your argument

We shouldn't have intelligence agencies?

[dixiegrrrrl]

5. Make a copy of this story, and when someone blows the whistle in a year or two...

about renditions and black sites continuing, this will be important to have.

Not that Congress is going to do anything, of course, then, now, or in the future.

[OnyxCollie]

6. Whew! That's a relief.

:eyes:

[Hydra]

7. Pardon me while I scoff openly

If they think we still need warrantless wiretapping, you can bet they still need the other side of the equation- secret prisons and torture.

I'm rec'ing so everyone sees that they claimed this when it's proven otherwise later.

[Solly Mack]

9. ....

The headline: CIA 'no longer' using secret prisons


Opening sentence: The CIA is "no longer" operating secret prisons used by the intelligence agency to interrogate terror suspects

So, uh...who is operating them?


"and plans to shut all remaining "black sites"

Except the ones being operated by others now?




The quote: "CIA no longer operates detention facilities or black sites and has proposed a plan to decommission the remaining sites,"

Still...no longer operating and the "remaining sites" are? What exactly?

[ProgressIn2008]

11. It's all about the fine print these days, ain't it? nt

[rcrush]

15. Most likley contracted out to Blackwater or whatever they call themselves now.

Probably a bunch of different companies that are running the secret prisons now.

[Vidar]

19. "XE' is their current title, I believe.

[rcrush]

14. I believe everything the Cocaine Import Agency director tells me.

USA USA USA

[goforit]

23. roflmao!!.....Thats a good one!

[acmavm]

18. HUH?

How can you 'decommission' the 'remaining' sites if they don't operate them anymore?

<snip>
"CIA no longer operates detention facilities or black sites and has proposed a plan to decommission the remaining sites,"...
<snip>

What am I missing?????

[rcrush]

25. Blackwater?

[Posteritatis]

31. It's the difference between having but not using them, and neither having nor using them

If I had, let's say, an airbase out in Lower Obscuristan that was doing airbase things, I'd be operating it and it would be in commission.

If I decided to no longer do airbase things, but was still paying the lease or mowing the lawn or whatever, I wouldn't be operating it, but it would still be in commission - if I needed to do airbase things later, I would still have the option.

If I decided to no longer do airbase things and gave the place back to the Lower Obscuristani government in Hypothetibad, I'd no longer be operating it and I'd have decommissioned it - if I wanted to do airbase things again, I'd need to find a new airbase. It would, at least in theory, eliminate the option of starting operations up again there.

[acmavm]

38. Thank you.

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[laylah]

28. I BELIEVE them, dammit~!

:rofl: NOT!

[barbtries]

32. there should be

an independent agency that can go around and check this.

[defendandprotect]

33. And since when does the CIA carry out President's orders ....

... unless they're for war, torture, or wiretapping?

Where we'll really be in trouble is if Pres. Obama believes this--- !!!

[sarcasmo]

40. I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa and Jesus.

[CTLawGuy]

44. zOMG Obama = BUSH!111!111!11

:eyes:

[conspirator]

45. oh that's so reassuring nt