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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:23 PM
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Venezuela offers rare credit to US in drug seizure
Source: AP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090409/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/l... ;_ylt=Am3Y4qUr_0ppiORfiOJGOEy3IxIF



AP By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press Writer Christopher Toothaker, Associated Press Writer – 11 mins ago
CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuela gave the U.S. Coast Guard credit on Thursday for cooperation in a large drug seizure — a break in bitter squabbling over anti-narcotics efforts that comes ahead of a summit leaders of both nations will attend.

Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami said in a statement the U.S. Coast Guard discovered 925 kilograms (2,030 pounds) of cocaine on a fishing boat off of Venezuela's Caribbean coast after Venezuelan officials gave them permission to board.

He said five Venezuelans had been arrested, but did not say when the seizure occurred.

The announcement comes at a moment of guarded optimism for an improvement in U.S. relations with Venezuela other left-leaning Latin American nations that often feuded with the administration of President George W. Bush.


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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:26 PM
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1. Nicely extending a hand towards diplomacy.
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No More Bushbots Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:11 PM
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2. It's amazing what can happen
When you don't have members of the American Taliban calling for the execution of foreign leaders.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:41 PM
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3. Associated Pukes = CIA. So this is a good omen--that they would publish this.
It may be a sign that Obama has finally given some direction to Latin American foreign policy, and told Bushwhack holdovers and kneejerk corpo'fascists to back off with the demonization of Chavez and other leftist leaders.

I can't think of a single instance where the Associated Pukes have published something positive about Chavez--or other leftist leaders, for that matter--though Chavez's popularity keeps running in the 60% to 70% range (as does that of other leftists), and he has many solid friends and allies among the leftist leaders of the continent--which means most of the continent, these days, as well as about half of Central America--with ever increasing election of leftist leaders, who are fed up with U.S. domination. The U.S. "war on drugs" has been the no. 1 tool for U.S. coup plotting, efforts to destroy democracy and to oppress the poor, in Latin America. In Bushwhack hands, the U.S. "war on drugs" became a corrupt, failed, murderous project, with funds and military forces used to spy on, and plot against, leftist governments. The most notable example is Bolivia, where the U.S. embassy and the DEA were colluding with white separatists, and instigated a failed, violent, fascist insurrection this last September. Evo Morales threw both the U.S. ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia for this activity. Bolivia's numbers on the interdiction of cocaine have soared since the DEA was kicked out. Interesting, huh?

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/04/evos-bolivia-is-combatting-narcos.html
where I got the link: http://www.borev.net/2009/04/titulares_asininity_35.html (fab, funny blog on South America).

But it's a new day, and perhaps the U.S. "war on drugs" will at least be honest, and do what it is funded and mandated to do, under Obama, rather than further the drug cartels.

Anyway, the Associated Pukes are a good thermometer for what's gone "hot" or "cool" at Langley, and in Exxon Mobil's board room. And it looks like their cooling things down as to Chavez, and have maybe even called off (or delayed?) Rumsfeld's war.*

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*(Long story, but I tagged the 'retired' Rumsfeld as the war planner, when he published an op-ed in the Washed Up Post, on 12/1/07 (a year after he 'retired'), entitled, "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants Like Chavez," in which he--among other things--called for "swift U.S. action" in support of "friends and allies" in South America. I can only think he meant in support of activities like the white separatist secession movement in the gas/oil provinces of Bolivia, where the U.S. (Bushwhack) ambassador was funding/organizing a civil war right out of the embassy, this last September. The fascist rioters shut down an airport, sacked government and NGO buildings, beat up the indigenous, blew up a gas pipeline and machine-gunned some 30 unarmed peasant farmers, before Evo Morales threw the U.S. ambassador and the DEA out of the country. Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, said it was a three-country fascist civil war plot--Bolivia, Venezuela, Ecuador (i.e., where much of the oil is, in So. America), the idea being to split off the fascist enclaves into fascist mini-states in control of the resources. I've been worried that Rumsfeld/Exxon Mobil could proceed with this plan, as a private corporate resource war--using many resources stolen from us, or arranged with our money, such as the $6 BILLION in military aid to the narco-fascists running Colombia, and USAID-NED and other funds to the fascist opposition in these countries. A question I could not answer--not enough info, too early, confused signals from the Obama team--is whether Obama could be sucked in to providing U.S. military support to such schemes, or might wink at a private war, or might even approve of it. I don't know and can't guess. But this signal from the Associated Pukes (government propaganda agency) points to a possible genuine peace policy.)
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:46 PM
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4. I am looking forward to seeing Chavez kiss Obama's ass next week
and Chavez' beter hope that Obama did in fact "lavarse el paltó".
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 05:56 PM
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6. Wishful thinking
Hugo might just say " Suck this"
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 07:36 PM
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7. and then Obama would kick his fat ass n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:59 PM
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8. I won't ask why you are looking forward to Chavez kissing Obama's ass,
except to say that it reveals something about you, as to wishing humiliation upon your perceived enemies, and also it reveals what you think about peace--that it is kissing ass (weak, humiliating, "bending over," rather than, say, killing, as problem-solver).

I don't know if Chavez will "kiss ass," as you put it, or not. There is already an insurrection afoot against Obama's apparent dictate that Cuba not be mentioned. Someone is likely to introduce a resolution calling at least for discussion of Cuba, and perhaps for the U.S. to lift the embargo on Cuba. This is the consensus view of most Latin American leaders, even some of the few centrist/rightwing ones. So, if it comes to a head, say with a vote, Obama could suffer a defeat (or apparent defeat--he may want to lift the embargo, but has to deal with the corpo/fascists and war profiteers back here and their monopoly on the media--so he might actually welcome such a resolution but likely wouldn't say so). (Obama's Latin American policy is harder to read than any other policy. I really don't know what he intends.)

Secondly, Chavez is a smart man and a good diplomat. After serious treachery by his neighbor, Alvaro Uribe, early last year, Chavez managed to make peace with Uribe, to the great chagrin of Colombia's biggest warmonger, Defense Minister Santos. Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, called Chavez "the great peacemaker," in particular because of his successful efforts to avert a war between the U.S./Colombia and Ecuador (after the U.S./Colombia bombed Ecuadoran territory and raided over the border last March). Chavez is out to serve, a) Venezuela's interests, and b) the interests of the region--so he will do what he thinks best, with regard to Obama, as he has done with regard to other leaders. I think that, if "going hat in hand" is a factor in this situation, it is Obama who has his hat in his hand. South America can go its own way now, with their new common market, UNASUR, and the democratic triumph of the Left, which means Latin American countries restoring their sovereignty, after decades of humiliation and domination by the U.S. and our corpo/fascists, and pursuing social justice and regional development goals.

China, Russia, Japan and others are all investing in these new, more stable, stronger Latin American countries with leftist (i.e., good) governments. Chavez's leadership on items like kicking the World Bank/IMF loan sharks out of the region, creating the Bank of the South (for local/regional control of development), helping neighbor poor countries out of World Bank/IMF debt, contributing to regional development projects (such as the new highway from Brazil's Atlantic coast through Bolivia to the Pacific), and careful economic policy, such as Venezuela's accumulation of $42 billion in international cash reserves, have greatly contributed to this new stability and independence of Latin American countries. Combined with the marked solidarity of the new leftist leadership--strong alliances between leaders like Chavez and da Silva, and strong, unified action--such as UNASUR's response to the Bushwhack-sponsored fascist coup attempt in Bolivia---mean that it is Obama who asking for cooperation, not the other way around. It is the U.S. that needs to prove its good intentions, after so many years of bad faith and worse, in U.S. Latin American policy.

Your simplistic view of things--that accord between Chavez and Obama means somebody kissing somebody else's ass--doesn't help our understanding of the situation, and seems rather like a pre-emptive strike trying to bend readers' perception of a peace accord as somehow a "defeat" for Chavez. But only someone who buys into the intense corpo/fascist propaganda about Chavez would interpret such an accord in that way.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:45 PM
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9. Latin America has been unified for sometime in opposition to the embargo
this is nothing new, and I would support its removal. However, I am not passionate about it and see no reason to reward the Castro regime. if this is chess, and Obama removes some travel restrictions and restrictions on some remittances, I have no problem with that. your move now Raul.

I certainly do dispute Chavez' "efforts" in Colombia as benevolent. but that is an argument we've had before and you'll have to decide for yourself to investigate and accept Chavez' involvement. I've put it out there yet you refuse to see it or even consider it.

Hat in hand? well, I see many countries in the region having or wanting an FTA with the US so I don't see Obama's role as you do and frankly, I believe you will be, once again, disappointed. Remember, even Bolivia wants the US to restore beneficial trade.

So this is it?? after many years of anti-Americanism and exaggerated claims of war, invasion, sabotage, the only real issue uniting Latin America is Cuba??? this is nothing new, like I said, Latin American countries have been pushing it for years now. What does Venezuela bring to the table, they sell oil, we buy it. I guess we can continue collaborating on drug interdiction if thats your thing. again, nothing new. Nothing the US needs from Venezuela that it doesn't already get or had in the past (collaboration on drug interdiction)


what peace accord?? If Obama wants to promise that he is not going to invade Ven or assassinate Chavez that's fine with me. It didn't happen under Bush, it ain't gonna happen under Obama.

but please, I would like to know. what are you expecting from the summit? what does Obama "need" to do?

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:54 AM
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10. What does Obama need to do?
Ask Exxon Mobil--thrown out of Venezuela.
Ask Bechtel--thrown out of Bolivia.
Ask Dyncorp--about to be thrown out of Ecuador.
Ask the World Bank--whose "portfolio" in Latin America is rather empty these days.
Ask the U.S. Federal Reserve--re: UNASUR's discussions about going off the U.S. dollar.
Ask any number of U.S. global corporate predators and war profiteers hungry for oil, cheap labor, markets for their shoddy Chinese-made goods, potable water, fallow ag land to convert to biofuels, lithium, gold and other minerals, social programs and services to privatize and loot, coca fields to poison with toxic pesticides, Amazon hard woods, willing governments through which to cycle U.S. military dollars, etc.

Our corpo/fascists have been desperate to, a) stop the leftist tide in Latin America, or--failing that, b) put a new face on their greedbag, exploitative, ill intentions.

When Paraguay elected a leftist president last summer, followed by El Salvador electing a leftist president this year--adding two more to the long list of Latin America countries who have had it with U.S. domination, and who have been able, by their own efforts, to restore democracy in their countries, in spite of every effort and many U.S. tax dollars used to defeat that development--it became clear to me that the U.S. government--as the representative of our global corporate predators (not of we, the people)--would be on the defensive in Latin America for some time to come. And this is true, in my opinion, whether we have Democrats or Pukes in power here. The U.S. President represents U.S. financial interests. Period. He wouldn't be U.S. President if he did otherwise. He may be more sympathetic with "we, the people." He may be more sympathetic with the vast poor of Latin America. But his chief obligation is to the predatory global corporations who operate from our shores. And those interests do not like having to deal with uppity brown people who take democracy seriously. They would prefer to kill their leaders and advocates--as they do in U.S.-dominated Colombia, and have done throughout Latin America in the past--but, if they can't kill them, and can't destroy their sovereignty, and can't freely walk all over them and rob them blind, then they need some serious P.R. to worm their way back in.

That's how I see Obama's position at the Summit of the Americas. He's dealing with a Latin America that is in full rebellion against U.S. (i.e., corporate) domination.

The Cuba issue is one of those issues around which other important issues swirl--and there has never been such a big and serious movement against the U.S. embargo of Cuba as there is now. Latin American leaders see now as the time to assert their sovereignty and their independence, as to foreign policy, and Cuba is the thorn sticking in their hides. They have had it with being dictated to, on Cuba. They cannot send a ship with Latin American goods to Florida if it has stopped in Cuba. This is an interference in their trade rights as sovereign countries, and they see no reason for it--just U.S. arrogance and stupidity--not to mention hypocrisy on "free trade."

One of the most interesting things I have read, recently, was a joke, told by Michele Batchelet, president of Chile, to a group of U.S. investors. The context was the Bushwhack sponsorship of a fascist coup attempt in Bolivia, this last September. Batchelet had called the meeting of UNASUR, at which she achieved unanimous backing of the Morales government against the white separatists, who were being funded and organized out of the U.S. (Bushwhack) embassy. Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela and others worked closely together to support the elected (and very popular) Morales government and defeat the secessionists. Batchelet then asked a group of investors she happened to be addressing in the U.S., "Why has there never been a coup in the United States?" Her answer: "Because there is no U.S. embassy in the United States."

Har-har. They laughed. She laughed. All of Latin America is laughing. It is their time. As Evo Morales has said: "The time of the people has come." Democracy, the will of the people, the will of the majority, has never been so ascendant in Latin America. It is an unstoppable movement, a tide of history. And, as King Canute said (and demonstrated--according to legend), a monarch may seem very powerful, but he cannot stop the tides.

The U.S., under the Bushwhacks, with Exxon Mobil and brethren in full control of our government, has been unable to stop this tide. Obama's job is to help them ride it out--to surf it, in a sense. And he has proven to be quite a surfer--a skill and a mindset that he possibly learned in Hawaii. If you cannot hold back the tide, you try your skillful best to ride it in.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:32 AM
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11. yep, you will be disappointed again
interesting in the previous post you site that China and Russia are investing in South America yet you don't want the US to do so at all.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 04:11 AM
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14. You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say I didn't want the US to invest in South America.
But "invest in South America" is one thing. Dictate to South America, loot its resources, loot its social programs, give nothing back, hang with the worst elements of South American society--the brutal rich--train them in torture and killing at the School of the Americas, pour US taxpayer money into the rightwing/fascist minority, privatize everything--the water, the bus system, the oil, the public airwaves, the banks, etc.--poison the earth with toxic pesticides, nazify the society with the corrupt, failed, murderous "war on drugs," and leave the vast poor majority to eat dirt--this is quite another thing.

When Chavez re-negotiated the oil contracts with the multinationals--requiring a fairer cut for Venezuela and its social programs--and Exxon Mobil walked out of the talks, and went into "first world" courts to try to grab $12 billion in Venezuela's assets, as punishment--other corporations--France's Total, Norway's Statoil, British BP and others--agreed to Chavez's terms, and are now operating in Venezuela the way corporations should operate, respectful of the sovereignty of the people who live there, and their democratically elected governments. Exxon Mobil's notion is to kill Chavez, destroy democracy and take all the profits.

So there is investment, and there is investment. Whether I would support it or not depends on what kind of investment you are talking about, and whether the investment occurs in a context of fairness and reciprocity. And, unfortunately, our U.S. global corporate predators don't have a real good history of fairness, respect and giving back--in Latin America or here. You only have to review their history in Latin America over the last century--or, indeed, merely over the last eight years--to be suspicious of their intentions now. And look a bit farther afield--say, to Iraq--and understand that the forces running things here are without conscience, and will blow a hundred thousand innocent people to smithereens to steal their oil. South America, and, increasingly, Central America, are showing that they won't put up with this any more. I cheer them on. I wish we were as far along as they are at restoring their sovereignty and exercising their rightful power to dictate the terms of business to multinational corporations, and to corporate tools like the World Bank and the WTO. We need to do this as well. The profits that bloat global corporate monsters like Exxon Mobil, Bechtel, Dyncorp, Monsanto, Chiquita International, and their ilk--and that give them untoward influence in the world, even to hijacking the U.S. military for corporate resource wars--are unfair profits, are stolen from workers, peasants and millions of ordinary people. That kind of "investment" in Latin America has resulted in massive, shocking poverty!

I am actually a very conservative person. I think that a world in which Exxon Mobil CEOs get a third yacht, and millions of other people can't afford shoes or books, or food, and have nowhere but a shantytown shack to live in, is a highly unstable world. I don't approve of that kind of Rumsfeldian instability, in which brute force rules. I want everyone to have a decent life--food, comfort, shelter, meaningful work--and I think that is possible, without any particularly radical re-organization of business, government or society. Balance is the key. A balance of power. A balance of interests. And democracy--real democracy--is the key to balance. No one should be making $200 million a year, while others starve. That is crazy. That is a recipe for disaster. And what I see in the "uppityness" of South America is that they are taking the measures needed to restore balance, most especially as to their democratic institutions, and electing governments that assert the will of the majority over untoward corporate power--power that seeks to enrich the few to a mindboggling degree, while millions can't put food on the table. That grave imbalance has dire consequences--as to its impacts on people and on the earth's ecosystem. We are in a state of grave, dangerous imbalance--socially and environmentally.

So, when I see balance being restored among people--in Venezuela, in Bolivia and other places--when I see Exxon Mobil and Bechtel kicked out for the bad actors they are--I cheer. This does not mean that I don't want to see US investment in Latin America. What must come first, however, is respect. It must be fair trade, not bullying, bludgeoning exploitation. Are US corporations and our rich elite capable of fair trade? We'll see, I guess. They certainly have not demonstrated it here, or in the past in Latin America.

I would also like to see Latin American conscience exported to the US. They have things to teach us, which our propagandistic 'news' media have prevented most of our people from hearing about. I would especially like to see the perspective of indigenous farmers made available to our people. There is a story about the Irish potato famine, in Michael Pollan's book, "The Botany of Desire," which illustrates why the perspective of indigenous farmers is so important. In Ireland, the English lords took up all the fallow land, and the poor had only the less fertile land on which to grow food for their families. They thought that the potato, imported from Peru, was a blessing, because it would grow anywhere. Then, when the blight hit the potato crop all over Ireland, all at once, millions starved. What they didn't know is that the indigenous Peruvian farmers never grew only one kind of potato, as the poor Irish were doing. The Peruvian farmers grew 20, 30 kinds of potato, as a hedge against plant disease. If one crop failed, they had others to fall back on.

Balance.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:41 AM
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12. You Need To Post This In Its Own Thread!
It is a succinct summary that needs to be seen and thought about. Please!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:45 AM
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13. And Obama Needs To Put Corporations Out of Our Misery
and out of charge of anything but their own production. If corporations did a good job on their ostensible reason to exist (producing goods and services legally and safely) it would be a much better world.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 05:03 AM
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15. Absolutely. Her posts could not be more remarkable. Always amazing, always needed. n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 05:29 PM
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5. This is clear evidence of the success of Obama's willingness to
negotiate and work with leaders we may not like. Good news.
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