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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:40 PM
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Obama Taps Former Idaho AG to Lead Indian Affairs
Source: Associated Press

Obama taps former Idaho AG to lead Indian Affairs

By MARY CLARE JALONICK – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — An American Indian who served as the attorney general of Idaho was nominated Friday to become the head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

President Barack Obama nominated Larry EchoHawk, a law professor at Brigham Young University and a member of the Pawnee tribe, to the post. As well as being the former attorney general, EchoHawk also ran for Idaho governor in 1994, losing to Republican Phil Batt by less than 35,000 votes. At the time, he would have been the nation's first American Indian governor.

He became the first American Indian elected to a constitutional statewide office when he assumed the post of attorney general in the early 1990s, the White House said.

The embattled Indian Affairs agency has been without a leader for some time. The most recent head, Carl Artman, took the post in March 2007 after it had been vacant for two years and then resigned a little more than a year later.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hdH9c5S16_9X6Tj_88VoI-meO0bAD97FRBVG1
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:12 PM
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1. Please just tell me he doesn't have ties to the casino lobby or Abramoff's friends. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:15 PM
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2. Nope- just an active Mormon
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:32 PM
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5. Seriously?
A Native American Mormon?

See:

Mormons and Native Americans: A Historical Overview
http://www.onlinenevada.org/mormons_and_native_americans:_a_historical_overview


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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:34 PM
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7. More on the Morman and Native American History


http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#BRIGHAM%20YOUNG

BRIGHAM YOUNG (apostle in the Latter Day Saint movement. Young was the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1847 until his death, the founder of Salt Lake City and the first governor of the Utah Territory, United States. Brigham Young University was named in his honor):

In 1857 Brigham Young ordered an armed force of Mormon men under the command of Mormon elder John D. Lee to, "...waylay our enemies, attack them from ambush, stampede their animals , take their supply trains.... to waste away our enemies." Elder Lee followed Young's order in his attack on a wagon train in the infamous Mountain Meadows massacre. The attack was deliberately fashioned to blame the attack on Paiute Indians, which helped inflame public attitudes against the First People of Utah.

Twenty years later the truth of the conspiracy was brought to light. It was widely reported at the time, that Brigham Young believed that sacrificing Lee would pave the way for Utah's admittance as a state to the United States. Lee was taken to the site of the Mountain Massacre and made to sit on his coffin. As the firing squad drew aim Lee cried out, "Center on my heart boys. Don't mangle my body." 55).

On the 150th anniversary of the slaughter, in September of 2007, Mormon Apostle, Henry B. Eyring, issued an official expression of "regret" to the Paiute People for the actions of the church that orchestrated the murders and then conspired to place primary blame on the tribe for the massacre. 80).

The Mormon faith decrees that American Indians are direct descendants of ancient Israelites. Mormon anthropologist, Thomas Murphy, chairman of the anthropology department at Edmonds Community College in Lynnwood, Washington, conducted a scientific DNA study to determine the validity of this claim, which came up negative. On December 8, 2002, the church started excommunication hearings against Mr. Murphy for his attempts to bring light to the truth. 57). The Bible states in John 8:32 that, "The truth shall make you free." In this case the truth freed Mr. Murphy, against his will, from the Mormon Church.




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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:57 PM
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8. You left out the part
that 120 innocent, unarmed men women and children were massacred in cold blood. With the blame deliberately and falsely directed at the Paiutes (the Mormons painted themselves to appear as Indians, as testified to congress by the few surviving tiny children). The "enemies" who were massacred by Brigham Young's followers in cold blood were pioneer families passing through on their way to California.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 08:17 AM
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11. The Whole Story is Even More Complex
The massacred party were not entirely innocent. They were led by a man named Flancher, a load mouthed bully who named his oxen after leaders in the Mormon Church mentioning the names when he beat his oxen. This party had, unprovoked, shot and killed a Paiute man and poisoned a water hole that led to the deaths of many more Paiutes, acts not uncommon to "pioneer behavior."

The Paiute People, having few firearms, approached Brigham Young and demanded that the Mormon Militia join them in seeking revenge against this wagon train. The massacre that occurred was committed by both Mormon and Paiute People but orchestrated by the Mormon militia leaders and manipulated into placing all the blame on the Paiute People.

For the complete story read "Over The Edge, Death in the Grand Canyon," see sources page: http://www.brotherhooddays.com/sources.html

from the website "International Brotherhood Days," http://www.brotherhooddays.com

mike kohr
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 01:27 PM
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13. Your source is not valuable, and is wrong.
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 01:57 PM by troubleinwinter
Your source authors are not academic (or any other sort of) historians. They merely promoted an old and debunked story. They have not researched the history of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The book merely passes along an old debunked myth. Mountain Meadows is nowhere near the Grand Canyon, anyway. The book you cite:


Flagstaff, AZ-based authors Ghiglieri, a biologist who leads river trips in the Grand Canyon and abroad, and Myers, a medical doctor who has treated hundreds of Canyon injuries, have compiled a fascinating chronicle of deaths and dangers in Grand Canyon National Park. The book is arranged by category falls, dehydration, floods, the Colorado River, air crashes, freak accidents, suicides, and murder and at the end of each chapter is a chronological list with names, descriptions, and causes of the accidents. The authors show that most of the deaths, whether of tourists, prospectors, or experienced adventurers, occurred when people failed to pay attention to warning signs or did not use common sense; others are attributed to high testosterone levels.


The old BS story about the Fancher-Baker party members (not "Flancher") was put out and promoted by the Mormon community for many years to deflect blame for the atrocity. The whole claim "The Paiute People, having few firearms, approached Brigham Young and demanded that the Mormon Militia join them in seeking revenge against this wagon train." is not substantiated anywhere, but the exact opposite is shown by all available historical evidence. The Mormons enlisted the assistance of the Paiutes by promising them a portion of the captured livestock.

On your assertion "a load (sic) mouthed bully who named his oxen after leaders in the Mormon Church":

As the Fancher party entered Utah, Eli B. Kelsey who was returning from a Mormon mission joined them. He recalled “they were people from the country districts, sober, hard-working, plain folks, but well-to-do and, taken all-in-all, about as respectable a band of emigrants as ever passed through Salt Lake City"


Yes, the Paiutes were part of the initial attack and siege. They got fed up and left the siege prior to the massacre of 120 unarmed men, women and children. Forensics (1999) concluded that the slaughter was committed entirely by whites, supporting the indications by Carleton's official report:

In 1859 Brevet Major James Henry Carleton, Captain in the First Dragoons, United States Army, received orders to leave Fort Tejon, California and travel to Southern Utah to investigate the circumstances of the massacre. His investigation and findings are detailed in a report dated May 23, 1859. Carleton was shocked at what he observed: “Nearly every skull I saw had been shot through with rifle or revolver bullets. I did not see one that had been broken in with stones . . . The scene of the massacre, even at this late day, was horrible to look upon . .


It is accepted by historians that the Paiutes participated in the defacing of corpses and theft of clothing and goods, along with the Mormons.

I have been research assistant for the last few years to a historical researcher who has spoken, presented programs and written scholarly articles on the very subject of Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Regarding your our story of 'poisoned water hole':

Careful examination of these stories shows that they don’t hold up. Bagley states “Something was killing the cattle at Corn Creek, and Indian Agent Jacob Forney gave a likely explanation in 1859: “The ox died unquestionably from eating a poisonous weed that grows in most valleys in this Territory.”

Forney believed that one or two Indians died from eating the dead ox. It is known that a young boy, Proctor Robison died, supposedly because of handling the dead ox. However, the boy actually died at Fillmore almost a month after the Fancher party had camped at Corn Creek. Historian Juanita Brooks concluded that the boy died of an infection, probably anthrax.


Even if the false claim of a poisoned well were true, would that explain the cold-blooded massacre of 120 unarmed men, women and children? Why would Fancher-Baker poison a well, knowing that other wagon parties were traveling behind them including some of their family members? (in fact, one man was dispatched at night from the besieged company to elicit assistance from a party that they knew was traveling behind them. He accidentally stumbled into a Mormon camp and was murdered) It is a lie.

Many factors lead to the massacre, NONE having whatever to do with untrue lies of 'Fancher being a loudmouth and naming his oxen after Mormon leaders'. If you would like a list of background contributing factors leading up to this tragedy, PM me and I will gladly send it to you.

If you wish to read an excellent, well researched book on the subject: Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows by Will Bagley

Also an older classic: The Mountain Meadows Massacre by Juanita Brooks

It would be best not to perpetuate the old inaccurate myths.


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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 03:02 PM
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15. Thank you so much for the correction and information
I will copy and save your information and paste into the source I quoted to coorect my source. I will indeed put Will Bagley's book on my reading list.

Respectfully,

mike kohr
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:21 PM
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3. Hopefully this man can make
some headway with that quagmire that is the BIA
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:26 PM
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4. I hope he does well..
Brigham Young professor, huh? So he's a Mormon, Native American?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:33 PM
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6. Native American Mormon... Jews for Jesus... Log Cabin Republicans... hey, to each their own.
Maybe he'll run against Romney in 2016.

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 10:50 PM
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9. Many regard him as an "apple".
Red on the outside, white on the inside.

From 'Native Issues'
Monday, January 26, 2009
Larry Echo Hawk urged Tribes toward an Intergovernment relationship with...STATES (fifth in a series)
Larry Echo Hawk urged Tribes to move to an Intergovernment relationship with...STATES.

This title should bug anybody. Tribes are sovereign entities as far as they practice sovereignty. Tribes made treaties with the Federal Government. That is the Intergovernmental Relationship that should continue. States are not on the same level (for lack of a better word) as Tribes. Our intergovernmental relationship is governed by Treaties with the United States Federal Government, Treaties being the supreme law of the land. That means that if the Federal Government takes an action contrary to a Treaty between the Federal Government and Tribes, the Treaty Trumps it.

States are sovereign and subordinate to the Federal Government. Why would tribes feel any necessity for dealing with a subordinate government that had nothing to do with our relationship with the United States Federal Government?

More to the point here, why would Larry Echo Hawk urge Tribes to begin dealing with States? Has he no notion for what sovereignty really means to Tribes? As reported in the Journal Record (Nancy Raiden Titus. "Echohawk Urges Indian Tribes to Work with State Governments." The Journal Record. Dolan Media Company MN. 1992. HighBeam Research. 26 Jan. 2009 ) Larry Echo Hawk told a Sovereignty Symposium (of all places!) that "Future intergovernmental agreements by Indian tribes will be conducted with individual states."

Was he serious?

He went on further to say it was "possible to solve problems within the state system of government. In fact, I believe it is the way of the future." How did he equate solving Indian Problems with the State System of Government? Are we to believe that his "future" when he said he believed it was the way of the future is now, today, and that he honestly wants tribes to deal with States instead of the Federal Government? The problems that most Tribes have with States are because the states stepped in when they had no standing. Then it falls on the Federal Government to protect Indian Interests, I'm not saying they do all the time-just that it's their responsibility. Since when did it occur to Larry Echo Hawk that we should now deal with a subordinate government that has, in Idaho's case, a far younger relationship by several generations with tribes? Did we sign treaties with states? If we did, I think they were not fully recognized as legal to the Federal Government, and a review of some Native Issues in New York will back that up.

I cannot see Larry Echo Hawk as an option for fulfilling the Assistant Secretary of Indian Affairs, when a principle duty is to ensure that the Trust Relationship and Fiduciary Duty of the United States Federal Government to Native Americans is being met. http://nativelandguardian.blogspot.com/2009/01/larry-echo-hawk-urged-tribes-toward.html


Echohawk's history as Idaho AG, a State that has been historically vehemently anti-Indian, shows him to be nothing more than a mercenary where he advocates for those who pay his wages. Not quite the loyalty one would want from an advocate.

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:48 PM
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10. A serious issue
The agency, which manages 66 million acres of land and oversees Indian schools and other programs, has been embroiled in a lawsuit for 12 years over Indian trust land. The long-running suit claims the Indians were swindled out of billions of dollars in oil, gas, grazing, timber and other royalties overseen by the Interior Department since 1887.


The government has been completely unable to give ANY ACCOUNTING WHATEVER for BILLIONS owed to and held in "trust" for the tribes. NONE. I cannot find any opinion on this by EchoHawk, nor any history of advocacy for the tribes on this matter. I would like to know his position on the theft and unaccountability of the US govt of moneys belonging to the Indians.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 11:55 AM
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12. AP still uses "American Indian?" Huh.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 01:33 PM
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14. That has always been interesting to me.
I spend a week with Navajo friends on the reservation each year, and have friends from different tribes. EVERY ONE that I have spoken to about this says they regard themselves, and call themselves "Indians", and are proud to do so. Some others obviously prefer "Native Americans", but I haven't met one.
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