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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:42 PM
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Citizens Held as Illegal Immigrants
Source: ABC

Pedro Guzman has been an American citizen all his life. Yet in 2007, the 31-year-old Los Angeles native — in jail for a misdemeanor, mentally ill and never able to read or write — signed a waiver agreeing to leave the country without a hearing and was deported to Mexico as an illegal immigrant.

...

In a drive to crack down on illegal immigrants, the United States has locked up or thrown out dozens, probably many more, of its own citizens over the past eight years. A monthslong AP investigation has documented 55 such cases, on the basis of interviews, lawsuits and documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. These citizens are detained for anything from a day to five years. Immigration lawyers say there are actually hundreds of such cases.

It is illegal to deport U.S. citizens or detain them for immigration violations. Yet citizens still end up in detention because the system is overwhelmed, acknowledged Victor Cerda, who left Immigration and Customs Enforcement in 2005 after overseeing the system. The number of detentions overall is expected to rise by about 17 percent this year to more than 400,000, putting a severe strain on the enforcement network and legal system.

The result is the detention of citizens with the fewest resources: the mentally ill, minorities, the poor, children and those with outstanding criminal warrants, ranging from unpaid traffic tickets to failure to show up for probation hearings. Most at risk are Hispanics, who made up the majority of the cases the AP found.



Read more: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7318392
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:43 PM
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1. Nativists don't care. Just round em all up and let gawd sort it out.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:13 AM
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14. Of Course they don´t care
many of them want all non whites deported...regardless of citizenship.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:51 PM
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2. We did that to an American? How DARE we do that to Americans.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:57 PM
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3. Hispanics made up the majority of the cases the AP found?
I'm shocked! Truly shocked!

That means they found at least one case of a non-Hispanic being deported.

I wonder what country that poor bastard got deported to....

Finland? Iceland? Ireland? Germany? France? Russia?

Not bloody likely....



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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:27 AM
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15. Hah!!! They're rated by shade of brown. Shows what you know.
Even if you're white, but talk like Natasha & Boris, well, that just brings back fond childhood memories for the fascists.

Boris and Natasha reporting on their neighbors:

Boris and Natasha at the Democratic National Convention:

Boris and Natasha's "Family Values Hour":

Boris and Natasha prepare to teach their librul neighbors a lesson:

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:21 AM
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18. like the sheriff in Arizona
Elaine drove the van into her backyard. After banging on the back door and screaming for her own mother, she was wrestled to the ground by the sheriff's men. Sanchez's boys emerged from their home to find their mother flat in the dirt with a deputy's knee in her back as she was roughly handcuffed.

The light over her license plate was out.

This is not an unknown crime in Elaine's neighborhood.

Indeed, Elaine Sanchez was no stranger to the sheriff's deputies who'd wrangled with her on the ground; one of them later volunteered that he recognized her from an earlier visit.

Sanchez and her family believe they have been targeted by Sheriff Joe Arpaio's men as part of the fallout from the lawman's infamous anti-immigrant sweep in Guadalupe.

And here's the rub: In spite of their last name, none of the Sanchezes is Mexican. None of them is in the United States illegally.

All members of the Sanchez family are Yaqui Indians. They are all American citizens. They are as legal as the sheriff's family.

They are, however, brown.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x432696
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:59 PM
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4. Another similarity to the great depression. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:04 PM
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5. Who could have ever imagined a citizen would be swept up by immigration?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:45 PM
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6. Cheech and Chong Did A Song About This Years Ago
Born in East LA

(Cheech:)
Took a walk to the corner store
Just to buy a loaf of bread and a box of s`mores
Up pulled a guy in a yellow van
Shiny gold badge flashing in his hand

(Chong:)
He said, alright all you mohuddles down here
I want you all to hit the floor
I got one thing to ask you and nothing more
So answer in English, if you can
Where were ya born, man

(Cheech:)
Huh? Where was I born?

(Chong:)
That`s right, I said
Where were ya born?

(Cheech:)
Hey, are you one of those dudes who do horoscopes, man
Hey, I`m a Cancer with a bad moon rising

(Chong:)
Look here Alfago, watch my lips
Where were ya born?

(Cheech:)
I was BORN IN EAST L.A.
Man, I was BORN IN EAST L.A.

(Chong:)
Oh yeah, you were BORN IN EAST L.A.
Let`s see your green card

(Cheech:)
Huh? Green card?
I`m from East LA

(Chong:)
Alright, then who`s President of the United States

(Cheech:)
Oh, that`s easy, man
That guy that used to be on Death Valley Days, John Wayne

(Chong:)
Alright, let`s go, come on

(Cheech:)
Next thing I know, I`m in a foreign land
People talkin so fast, I couldn`t understand
There was nobody there to lend a helping hand
I was cold, it was dark where is a burger stand

I want to go back to East LA
I wish I was back in East LA
I don`t belong here in downtown T.J.
Cause I was born in East LA, ole

I crawled under barbed wire, swam across a stream
Rode in six different trucks packed like a sardine
Walked all day in the burning sun
Now I know what it`s like to be born to run

Up ahead was the promised land
Shining like a star just beyond my hand
All I could see was a golden door
I looked up, a sign said five billion sold

And I was back in East LA
Yes, I was back in East LA
You know I`m never gonna stray
Cause I was born in East LA, oh LA

(adlibs with I'm a low rider rocker in East LA, oh LA)

EAST LA!!!
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:46 PM
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9. It was a movie, too.
My family has been in this country for over a century on both sides, but my mom wouldn't let me go to Mexico when I was in high school unless I took my birth certificate with me. She was afraid the Border Patrol wouldn't let me back into the US.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:26 PM
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7. They did this in the 1930s--Deported my grandmother and her family.
Despite the fact that they were here legally (My grandmother was even born here).
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:53 PM
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8. Once again MSM is so far behind the curve.
I read about Mr. Guzman at least a year ago in a Bar journal. Immigration laws are so busted in the US.
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Neo Atheist Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:46 AM
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10. what's interesting
when you read the comments on the right-of-center to ultra right wing forums/blogs concerning this story, there are a decent amount of comments actually saying he shouldn't have been brought back.

It's utterly amazing how filled with hate people can be.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:25 AM
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12. That group is probably halting the immigration debate
after all they may benefit from immigrants
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:21 AM
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11. Our government at work. Please people, there are MILLIONS
of illegals to throw out. Get it right.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:43 AM
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13. Disabled man found after 89-day ordeal (LAT 2007)
Pedro Guzman, a U.S. citizen, wandered in Mexico after being wrongly deported. Family, ACLU criticize immigration officials.
By Sam Quinones
August 08, 2007

A U.S. citizen who had been in the custody of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department before he disappeared in May after being wrongly deported to Mexico was found this week and ordered released to his family.

Pedro Guzman, 29, who is developmentally disabled, was taken into custody Sunday while trying to cross the border at Calexico, Mexico, said Michael Soller, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. The ACLU has represented Guzman's family in its attempts to get the federal government to help find him.

Guzman, of Lancaster, was transported to the Los Angeles County Jail. On Tuesday at a hearing in the Antelope Valley, Superior Court Judge Carlos Chung ordered him released to his family.

Guzman, who cannot read or write, spent much of the 89 days in Baja, California, on foot, avoiding human contact, eating from garbage cans and bathing in rivers, family members said at an afternoon news conference at the ACLU's Los Angeles office. Guzman, who was said to be malnourished and afraid of people, remained at home in Lancaster with relatives ... http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/08/local/me-found8



Wednesday, August 8, 2007
L.A. County Jail Deputy Blames INS for Pedro Guzman's Deportation

... The Deputy I spoke to was very forthcoming about the jail procedures, explaining that when inmates are booked they're asked to identify their birthplace. If it's outside the United States, then the jail contacts the INS for an interview to ascertain their legal status. However, it's clear from all the records that Guzman initially identified his birthplace as California, so there would be no reason for the jail to initiate Guzman's INS interview.

I pressed the deputy a bit, asking if they did any screening on their own to ascertain if arrestees lied about their birthplace. He told me that they protect against this through consulting earlier records when the "roll" the arrestees for fingerprints, but if there's nothing there, then they would never call the INS: "We don't do background checks. We just process inmates here. We don't waste our time on that; we don't intervene in any way, unless we see someone who says they're born outside the country."

I then asked if he was familiar with Guzman's deportation--again this was last week--and he was not, so I gave him a summary and asked how Guzman would have come to the attention of the INS. He told me that the INS agents in the jail do their own screenings and he didn't know how those worked. When I told him that Guzman definitely was born in the United States and his mother had the birth certificate to prove it, he said, "That would have been their foul up. The family should have had the opportunity to bring in a birth certificate and clear things up."

This is obviously true, and underlined by the fact that all of the Guzman's documents in his criminal record indicate that he was born in California. Indeed, if the judge who sentenced Guzman to 90 days in jail on April 19, 2007 had the slightest idea that Guzman would be deported as a criminal alien he would not also have sentenced Guzman to 3 years probation, and the state would not have issued a warrant for his arrest for missing the probation hearing, which, ironically, appears to be why the DHS finally allowed him back into the country. In other words, there was plenty of information available to any interested parties that would indicate Guzman's nationality ...

http://stateswithoutnations.blogspot.com/2007/08/la-county-jail-deputy-blames-ins-for.html



Family of deported man sues the U.S.
By Sam Quinones
June 12, 2007

The family of an American citizen who disappeared after apparently being mistakenly deported to Tijuana a month ago has filed suit asking the U.S. government to help find him.

Pedro Guzman, 29, a Lancaster construction worker, is developmentally disabled and penniless, and he hasn't been heard from since May 11, said his family at a news conference in Los Angeles on Monday.

His mother, Maria Carbajal, said she spent the last month in Tijuana living out of her car while searching in vain for her son. She said neither the U.S. nor the Mexican government has helped in her search for him.

"I've done a lot," she said, "and I haven't found him" ... http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/12/local/me-deport12
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:12 PM
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16. Well thats kinda Self Defeating.
That kinda shocks me. And rarely does anything shock me anymore. My primary idea is don't let them (the illegals ) in. If they've been here 5-10 years plus they probably should have a path to citizenship. But under that. No. But we don't kick out actual Americans. Whoever did that should be deported to mexico
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:03 AM
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17. Simply appalling
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:18 AM
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19. Reminds me of that Cheech and Chong movie
Born in East LA
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