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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:55 PM Original message |
Obama: I'll Stick With Embargo For Now (on Cuba) |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. I guess Rush will have to continue getting his Cuban Cigars illegally n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. I believe that part of what President Obama said was that this was the start. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The sanctions are a failure, but we're keeping them? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. We are not keeping them....we have already changed them...... |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. All Obama has done is roll bach Bush's more draconian measures. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yep....that's where it starts. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. When I read posts like these, the profound ignorance of what we have done to Cuba |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Me too. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. You don't have to have been there to understand politics- something you clearly |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Absurd? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. It's not politics it is ignorance of latin american history |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. I thought Family was now allowed to travel to Cuba? |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. That is only rolling back recent Bush policy. |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. So what is the problem? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. you can send your family money can't you? |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Not so worried about the Cuban taxes. They will be used for their infrastructure. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. well since they are so well developed, what need is there to lift the embargo? |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So Cubans and Americans can function on a level playing field. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. yeah, freedom. good one. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. time for change in the US, wouldn't you agree? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'm pretty satisfied with the change from the previous administration |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Some times switching presidents it's just a requirement to cover up things |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
80. If Cuba's healthcare is world class, |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Because the US embargo makes access to meds patented in the US hard to get, if not impossible. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. That's an argument for why Cuba's healthcare is NOT world class. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. agreed. the tax on people sending US dollars to Cuba is greater than that other currencies |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Then, by your standard, the US isn't world class either. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Agreed, the U.S. healthcare system is most definitely NOT world class. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Cuba can and does trade with any other country |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Helms-Burton (the primary US sanction law) sanctions companies, not countries. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. that doesn't limit all companies now does it? and certainly not countries |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. MIka answers this above. n/t |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. There's nothing like a little good, old DU pouting where they want what they want |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Wrong. Some of us wanted it gone all along. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. You are very forgiving of the hardship other people are made to bear. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. First, when was it up to Obama to determine for Cuba how she conducts her business? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. So you were expecting the embargo to be lifted already, hey? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The world is looking to the United States to do the right thing. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Its called proceeding with care. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. After 50 years of failed policy and we need to proceed with care w/same policy? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. It's easy to be "careful" on the backs of helpless people. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. I agree with YOU and Cali, Frenchie! |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. What are you afraid of? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. And I really can't believe that so many people just fall into line |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. That was my thought on |
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iandhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. Progress and change is a |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
74. Not during the revolution or civil war |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. Enough already.... |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. Cuba probably doesn't want to trade with a country that tortures, anyway. |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Well, yeah, exactly.. |
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ben_jenne (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. So do you think that the "counter-revolutionaries" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Shouldn't you be worrying about Paul Minor or Leonard Peltier |
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ben_jenne (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So all of that justifies Castros' atrocities |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Why are you so concerned about Cuba when your own government is a sewer? |
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lsewpershad (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Totally agree |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. "Hope and Change" is political doublespeak for "More of the Same". n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
30. Did you Listen to what he said today? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. No fraking American President has the right to tell us not to travel to Cuba |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Because Cuba has never hurt us in any way |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Well, Mr Obama was against the sanctions - until he came to Miami to fundraise. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yes, that's right. n/t |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. Different day |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
37. This is the same logic that kept us in Vietnam and costs us an additional 30,000 casualties |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
42. What do they call you when you keep doing what has failed over and over again... |
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960 (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. Duh. We're lucky to get Bush's most severe measures reversed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
49. Mika, I don't see how he can move quickly. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. By "whole new Florida strategy", you mean fundraising? Right? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Not only fundraising but all the other forms of patronage, too. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. How would they do it? Campaign funding resolution. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. It won't wait for campaign funding reform. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Hell, its only been 50 years. We must take care. Go cautiously. A new overthrow strategy is needed. |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
94. same with the issue of israel and palestine.... |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. It is the same shit with Israel and Palestians.. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
60. If Cuba would release its political prisoners, I'm sure it would be seen as a nice move... |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Raul has already offered them, in exchange for the Cuban Five. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
97. Political prisoners for accused murderers. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. If the US were to release its political prisoners, that would help too, i.e., the Cuban Five |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. You're an asshole, Mr. President! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
69. Obama must fix our fifty year old problems instantly!@ |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. What the fuck is wrong with people here?! |
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western mass (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Repeating this empty, meaningless phrase... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
75. Get over yourself...Cuban Americans can freely travel to the country back and forfth. |
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western mass (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Appease the Right with a few crumbs for the Left... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. That's crumbs when there was nothing there before?! |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Huh? The Cuban-American restrictions were new, started by Bush43 in June 2004. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. He didn't just rollback to Bush's policy |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Umm You should. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
76. well, we just have to wait and see if Mr. President reads Galeano's book |
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ShareTheWoods (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
78. Obama is making the right moves. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
79. Cubans divided on more issues than travel |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. The cantankerous bitter RW old guard VS. the younger generation. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
88. End the embargo. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
95. absurd...nt |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
96. Ah. Yet another promise broken. |
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