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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:57 AM
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(Bush app'ted Porter Goss) Spies Come Out to Criticize Memos' Release
Source: ABC

The debate over the interrogation memos is so intense that now even the spies are speaking up.

Former Bush CIA chief Porter Goss said in an op-ed published today in the Washington Post, that the Obama administration had "crossed the line" by releasing the memos.

"We can't have a secret intelligence service, if we keep giving away all the secrets," he wrote.

Goss excoriates lawmakers who say they were never given a full and clear picture about the interrogation tactics the CIA was considering using against high value terrorist suspects in U.S. detention. "In the fall of 2002, while I was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, senior members of Congress were briefed on the CIA's 'high value terrorist program,' including the development of 'enhanced interrogation techniques' and what those techniques were," he wrote.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7430947&page=1



Let us not forget exactly who Porter Goss is:

Porter and the "boys - Goss made his 'bones' on the CIA hit team

May 6 2006--Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker


Photograph dated 22 January 1963, Mexico City, at "La Reforma" nightclub. Donated to the public domain by Barry Seal's widow. Shown, clockwise from front left, are alleged to be: unknown, en: Porter Goss (arm around Morales), en: Barry Seal, Guillermo Novo Sampol, Ignacio Novo Sampol; Carlos Alberto de Diego Aday, Richard Cain (unconfirmed), Arsenio Felipe de Diego Aday, en:Tosh Plumlee and Virgilio Gonzalez.

Deposed CIA head Porter Goss was once a member of the CIA's super-secret Operation 40, an assassination squad which roamed through North and Central America during the 1960's.

Along with a number of men whose names became famous and whose lives and careers comprise a large part of America’s Secret History, Goss appears (see a comparison) in the historic photograph at right, which also appears on the cover of "Barry & 'the boys': The CIA, the Mob, and America's Secret History."

It is the only extant photograph of the members of Operation Forty, the CIA’s assassination squad, taken in a Mexico City nightclub in 1963.

Coupled with his close proximity to the terrorist hijackers who used his Congressional District in Charlotte County as one of their main bases of operations, this fact virtually shouts out for closer examination during the post-mortems dissecting his tenure as CIA chief.

When we first saw the photo, it was in the yellowed frame used by nightclub photographers back in the 60's. It bore the name of a nightclub (La Reforma) in Mexico City, and was stamped with a date, January 22, 1963, ten months to the day before the Kennedy assassination.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:38 AM
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1. I love Hopsicker. Here's his video.......
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:16 PM
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31. I never knew the owner of the flight school which trained Mohammad Atta had his Lear Jet
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 01:18 PM by Uncle Joe
confiscated for having heroin on board.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:53 AM
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2. "... Mark M. Lowenthal, president of the Intelligence & Security Academy, in Arlington, Va.,
supervised the preparation of National Intelligence Estimates from 2002 to 2005 .."
Why the Fight Over Intelligence May Be a Wash
By MIKE ALLEN/WASHINGTON Wednesday, Sep. 27, 2006
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1539992-2,00.html

So Lowenthal is the shill responsible for producing the "intelligence"/propaganda that Bush used to start the Iraq war: why would anyone take him seriously?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:27 AM
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3. Arragghrrorwr!
It was okay for Bush Cheney and Libby to out a CIA person or persons in order to crush the facts about Iraq's yellow cake and the fact that Iraq did not pose an imminent threat to the continental US like the PNAC goons claimed.

Scooter Libby...another PNAC Moral Crusader from the Compassionate Conservative holier than thou party. Look at the book about GOPer "Family Values" old Scooter wrote called The Apprentice...

Scooters Sex Shocker

Of all the scribbled sentences that have converged to create the Valerie Plame affair, the most remarkable, in literary terms, may belong to Scooter Libby, Dick Cheneys recently deposed chief of staff. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to workand life, he wrote in a jailhouse note to Judith Miller. Meant as a waiver of confidentiality, the letter touched off the sort of fevered exegesis more often associated with readings of The Waste Land than of legal correspondence. For even more difficult prose, however, one must revisit an earlier work. The ApprenticeLibbys 1996 entry in the long and distinguished annals of the right-wing dirty noveltells the tale of Setsuo, a courageous virgin innkeeper who finds himself on the brink of love and war.

Libby has a lot to live up to as a conservative author of erotic fiction. As an article in SPY magazine pointed out in 1988, from Safire ( finally came to him in the bed and shouted Arragghrrorwr! in his ear, bit his neck, plunged her head between his legs and devoured him) to Buckley (Id rather do this with you than play cards) to Liddy (Tsa Li froze, her lips still enclosing Rands glans . . .) to Ehrlichman ( It felt like a little tongue ) to OReilly (Okay, Shannon Michaels, off with those pants), extracurricular creative writing has long been an outlet for ideas that might not fly at, say, the National Prayer Breakfast. In one of Lynne Cheneys books, a Republican vice-president dies of a heart attack while having sex with his mistress.

It took Libby more than twenty years to write The Apprentice, which is set in a remote Japanese province in the winter of 1903. The book is brimming with quasi-political intrigue and antique locutionsThe girl who wore the cloak of yellow fur; one wore backward a European hatthat make the phrase a former Hill staffer, by comparison, seem straightforward.

Like his predecessors, Libby does not shy from the scatological. The narrative makes generous mention of lice, snot, drunkenness, bad breath, torture, urine, turds, armpits, arm hair, neck hair, pubic hair, pus, boils, and blood (regular and menstrual). One passage goes, At length he walked around to the deers head and, reaching into his pants, struggled for a moment and then pulled out his penis. He began to piss in the snow just in front of the deers nostrils. Read More...

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/11/07/051107ta_talk_collins



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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:24 PM
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32. LOYAL REPULSIVES ALL
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:40 AM
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4. Buzzy
Buzzy Krongard, who was the agency's executive director when the coercive interrogations began.


A.B. Krongard, Chairman of the Board of Directors, said "We are excited by the addition of such a highly qualified director as Jim Egan, who will bring his significant financial expertise to our Board.

Commenting on PHH's new consulting relationship with Sites, Krongard said that "We are very pleased that PHH has been able to establish this important relationship with John Sites. We believe that John's extensive mortgage industry and other experience will prove extremely valuable to the Board and the Company."

Commenting on Pennant's notification, Krongard said, "The current Board of Directors continues to work diligently to advance the interests of PHH and its stockholders in an extremely challenging economic environment. We firmly believe that Pennant's contentions, as outlined in their recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, are inaccurate and unwarranted.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2260009/

The Corporate Governance Committee of the Board of Directors has concluded, and the entire Board of Directors agreed, that the slate of nominees for Class I Directors at the 2009 Annual Meeting of Stockholders should comprise Mr. A.B. Krongard, PHHs non-executive Chairman of the Board

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/phh-corporation-opposes-pennantrsquos-proxy,779763.shtml
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:48 AM
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5. records of the briefing?
this "briefing" has so many versions of what was actually said, I wonder if there are records or tapes of it? Did anyone take notes?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:56 AM
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6. Breaking: Ted Bundy decries use of forensic evidence in trial.
Claims it has turned the nation into a banana republic.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:56 AM
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7. what good are they anyway?!
what happened on 9-11?

fuck him.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:02 AM
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8. Operatives should never be allowed to hold public office.
There is no way to be in operations and not get your hands dirty. It's the kind of dirt that is very difficult to wash off.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:28 PM
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44. Absolutely right. Same rule mignht apply to bankers & lawyers..
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:12 AM
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9. What exactly was revealed with these memos?
Confirmation of the truth?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:14 AM
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10. that the highest elected officials in our government signed off on TORTURE
and they KNEW it was TORTURE and they KNEW it was ILLEGAL
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:25 AM
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13. Yes- if you haven't already read Frank Rich's article today (NYT)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:05 PM
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36. Capital crimes that may carry a death penalty for Bush, Cheney, et. al., that's all.
Murder is what they call it in civilized nations.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:15 AM
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11. "We can't have a secret intelligence service, if we keep giving away all the secrets,"
A picture's worth 1000 words!







WHAT SECRETS? EVERYONE ALREADY KNEW.

But a lot of people didn't know who Valerie Plame was until.....
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:24 PM
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39. I loved this comment... that we couldn't give away our secret ...
... *that we tortured prisoners*! What's the harm in revealing Bush's torture policy if we're not going to torture anymore? We're not losing any advantage, since we're not supposed to be torturing prisoners, anyway.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:17 AM
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12. The same Porter Goss that met with Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 10:17 AM by go west young man
and Marc Grossman the morning of September 11th, 2001? What a coinki!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD08Aa01.html

If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time.

In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.

A juicy direct connection was also established between Mahmoud and Republican Congressman Porter Gross and Democratic Senator Bob Graham. They were all in Washington together discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast when the attacks of September 11, 2001, happened

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/mahmoud_ahmed.htm

The purported 9-11 ringleader - Mohammed Atta - according to ABC news, was financed by "unnamed sources in Pakistan." According to Agence France Presse and the Times of India, an official Indian intelligence report informs us that the 9-11 attacks were funded by money wired to Mohammed Atta from Pakistan, by Ahmad Umar Sheikh, under orders from Pakistani intelligence chief General Mahmoud Ahmad. The report said: "The evidence we have supplied to the U.S. is of a much wider range and depth than just one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced act of terrorism."

Guess what? General Mahmoud Ahmad was in the U.S. on September 11.

Where was General Mahmoud on the morning of September 11, while Dubya was in Florida reading upside down books?

Why, the good general just happened to be having breakfast with Florida's senator, Bob Graham - our esteemed chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Also present at breakfast was Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi. There were other members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees present.

The ISI Chief: General Mahmoud Ahmad of Pakistan. Remember our little collection of FACTS from Michel Chossudovsky?

1) The purported 9-11 ringleader - Mohammed Atta - according to ABC news, was financed by "unnamed sources in Pakistan." According to Agence France Presse and the Times of India, an official Indian intelligence report informs us that the 9-11 attacks were funded by money wired to Mohammed Atta from Pakistan, by Ahmad Umar Sheikh, under orders from Pakistani intelligence chief General Mahmoud Ahmad. The report said: "The evidence we have supplied to the U.S. is of a much wider range and depth than just one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced act of terrorism."

2) General Mahmoud Ahmad was in the U.S. on September 11. He arrived on the 4th on a "routine visit." It was confirmed by news sources that Ahmad met with a number of U.S. officials.

Colin Powell,
Richard Armitage,
Marc Grossman,
CIA Director George Tenet,
Senator Bob Graham, chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee,
Senator John Kyl, Senate Intelligence Committee,
Rep. Porter Goss, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,
Senator Joseph Biden, Chariman of Foreign Relations Committee.

And we come back to that most interesting item: On the morning of September 11, General Mahmoud Ahmad was having breakfast with Florida's senator, Bob Graham - chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Also present at breakfast was Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi. There were other members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees present. And that leads us right back to the Oval Office of the White House. Suddenly, all the pieces begin to fall into place.

http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-edmonds-case-front-page-of-uk.html

The article goes on to describe how the head of the ISI, General Mahmoud Ahmad, is a supporter of al-Qaeda, including partly financing the 911 terrorist attacks, and is also good friends with AQ Khan. Obviously the nuclear secrets stolen from the US fed directly into Pakistan's nuclear program, and also into Khan's proliferation network. The so-called 'AQ Khan network' provided the nuclear programs of Iran, North Korea, Libya, and possibly up to a dozen other countries. Not only that, immediately prior to 911, Osama Bin Laden met with people in Khan's network with the aim of al-Qaeda acquiring nukes.

The article also describes how the ISI 'penetrated' the FBI translation unit in DC where Sibel worked, in much the same way that the Turkish network had placed moles there - enabling them to block important translations, steal incriminating documents, and recruit others to conduct espionage within the translation unit. Remarkably, this 'penetration' was not the result of remarkable sneakiness and superior spy-craft by the ISI and the Turkish networks - all evidence in both cases indicates that the penetration was condoned & enabled by senior people within the US government. Former FBI counterintelligence veteran John Cole (and others, including Sibel) describes the placement, despite his objections, of ISI operatives in the translation unit here.

The octopus is slowly coming to the surface. Back to H20mans post. Six dimensions of scandal. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5518578

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:25 AM
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14. The same Goss who suddenly quit when the Dusty Foggo trail was at his doorstep
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:39 AM
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15. Yep the same Goss who despises Jane Harman for getting
Cunningham and Foggo prosecuted. http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/04/24/1004622/why-did-porter-goss-finger-jane-harman


Why did Porter Goss finger Jane Harman?
By Ron Kampeas April 24, 2009


But there's even more fascinating stuff buried in the story: It looks as if the decision to target Harman was initiated by her old nemesis Goss, the Intel committee chairman who had gone on to the top CIA job.

Initiated. As in, he apparently had the idea himself. As in, he apparently hated her guts.

Piecing this doozy together requires jumping from the lede in the NYT story, way way down. But look:

WASHINGTON The director of the Central Intelligence Agency concluded in late 2005 that a conversation picked up on a government wiretap was serious enough to require notifying Congressional leaders that Representative Jane Harman, Democrat of California, could become enmeshed in an investigation into Israeli influence in Washington, former government officials said Thursday.

Now skip 9 grafs:

Former officials said that Mr. Goss had first seen the transcripts of Ms. Harmans phone conversations in late 2005, when the government was renewing its requests to a special court to wiretap the calls of the Israeli operative, whom they would not identify. Ms. Harman was not the target of the eavesdropping but her conversations were picked up because she spoke with the Israeli agent.

Note the operative verbs: Lede: It was Goss who "concluded" that the tap required more action. He drew this conclusion not because Harman's alleged involvement was raised with him, but during a periodic review of material supposedly incriminating an entirely different person. Tenth graf: The review is when the transcripts were "first seen" by Goss. As in, no one had bothered to bring it to Goss' attention before. Maybe because it wasn't all that.

Credit to seemslikeadream for the link.
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:47 AM
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16. The plot thickens . . . .
from Marcy
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/24/is-the-harman-story-an-attempt-to-silence-her-about-torture/


Is the Harman Story an Attempt to Silence Her about Torture?



Laura Rozen has been reporting an angle of the Jane Harman story that has been largely neglected elsewhere--the possibility that this story is coming out now as a way to hit Harman, the fiercest critic of the torture program.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/20/bush_era_cia_officials_push_back

A former senior U.S. intelligence officer said he heard during work on the Hill in the 2004 time period of whispers among members of the intelligence committees and their staffs that Harman was allegedly caught up in some Israel-related case that would likely prevent her from getting the chairmanship of the committee she sought. He also said that it was clear that Goss and Harman (and their staffs) fiercely disliked each other.

But he wondered if the timing of this story was about changing the subject, from what Bush-era officials had authorized, to what the Congress was complicit in. "Is this about taking pressure off the revelations of waterboarding and the memos?" he speculated. "And the fact," he added, "that no real intelligence came out of this whole effort?" referring to the enhanced interrogation/torture regime revealed in the memos, which he said produced no actionable intelligence.

(For his part, Stein said in an online chat Monday afternoon that he had had the story for a while, and only decided to move on it now.)

But the former intelligence official familiar with the matter noted that Goss has given only one on-the-record interview on these CIA controversies since leaving the CIA director job. In the December 2007 interview, he said that Congressional leaders, including Representatives Pelosi and Goss himself, Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) and Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), and later Rep. Harman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), had been briefed on CIA waterboarding back in 2002 and 2003. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," Goss told the Washington Post. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."

Who was the lone lawmaker the article identified as objecting to the program?

Jane Harman.


The story is plausible not just because Porter Goss--both a former Congressman and former DCI--might fit as one of the sources for all the intelligence reporters covering this story. But also because we know Porter Goss was doing a masterful job working the press to distract from his role in the torture tape destruction (that's what his on-the-record interview was all about). In addition, Porter Goss is deeply implicated in the Bradbury torture memos and the torture tape destruction (and is one potential candidate to be the "senior agency official failed to provide a full account of the CIA's detainee-treatment policy at a closed hearing of the House intelligence committee in February 2005, under questioning by California Rep. Jane Harman"). And it's quite likely that Jane Harman knows quite a bit about just how implicated he is.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:03 AM
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17. Yeah
those of us that know Porter Goss's history know that he has about as much credibility on this issue and really any other as well Dick Cheney.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:47 PM
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28. it appears that they are counting on everyone else to not know
who they are and what they have done and where they have been.

We will remember - we will tell everyone else

the proof is out there and easily available to everyone now.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:03 AM
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18. I recommended this thread
I knew about Gen Ahmad and his connections to Atta. Something doesn't pass the smell test on 9/11. When the ISI found Daniel Pearle dead, I thought at the time he was on to something-he found something that got him killed. Remember *'s administration forgave Pakistani's debt-that's a lot of money. Why? Was it because they we're buying allies or silence? Sibel needs to talk and we need an international, independent 9/11 investigation.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:04 AM
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19. Everybody already knew about the torture, what they didn't have proof of was who authorized it.
Still trying to muddy the waters, pathetic old fool.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:14 AM
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20. Holy S*. More documentation of this. Prove it up.
Someone ask Porter Goss about this.

Dear Porter,
You got too many damn secrets.
Looks to me like you don't belong in our government,
you belong in prison.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:21 AM
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21. Where were they when Valerie Plame was outed? Your secrets are not secret anymore
a$$holes.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:24 AM
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22. This is pure unadulterated BS!
Goss is an idiot! Any TRUE agent would have been up in arms over PLAME, would have been marching against the last administration for making public FAKE intelligence on IRAQ.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:35 AM
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23. If one of the secrets is that our secret intelligence service routinely breaks the law ...
... then maybe our intelligence service needs a thorough airing out.

Mr. Goss, the secret is out. Our enemies know the truth about the CIA's lawlessness so who are you trying to kid?
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:40 AM
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24. This investigation belongs in the Hague. It will go nowhere in the U.S.
Anyone think this is a possibility???
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:49 PM
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29. I sure hope so, ship them all over there for public international
trials.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:03 PM
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25. This is what makes D.U Great K&R *1000
Thanks to all who put this together, Just amazing :toast:
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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:05 PM
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30. Kudos and
:fistbump: all around!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:37 PM
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26. Someone should mail the OP photo to Goss.
<caption>
We know who you are.
We know what you did.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:03 PM
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35. Porter Goss is a walking ad for prosecution. So is Negroponte.
If we'd followed through on other scandals, they both would be in the pen, not in our government.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:45 PM
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27. And, a big FU to you, Porter Goss.
There's a new assassination squad in Mexico that needs you.
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captainjack08 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:48 PM
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33. Mexican swine flu?
The new microscopic assassination squad? Does swine flu hang out in Mexico City nightclubs?
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rkadams Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:50 PM
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34. Drugs and Potter Goss
In the late eighties/early nineties I lived in the Bradenton/Sarasota area. While there, my girl friend and I drove south several times, passing Port Charlotte on the way. Near Port Charlotte, there was a huge and unfinished development. The streets were in, but no homes. I later remarked to my fellow workers about this strange place. It was common knowledge, I was told, that this was one of the places that was used to fly in cocaine from places in south america. The planes would land on the deserted streets and unload their cargo at night and depart.

Latter I read about the flap over Potter Goss obstructing an FBI investigation into drug smuggling that was taking place at the site. This was while Goss was still a Representative for his district in Florida. It is interesting that it is always the same people involved in these criminal adventures and that they never seem to suffer the consequences that normal people would. There is this club of good old boys that are involved with, as author Peter Dale Scott has pointed out, the deep politics of indirection, collusion, and deceit.
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captainjack08 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:44 PM
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40. Florida
9/11 hijackers, drug traffic, flight schools, stolen elections, missing kids, dead Prostitutes, dead investigators, Anti-Castro Cuban terrorists, Bush/Goss/CIA, pseudo terrorists(Miami 7)

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:10 PM
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42. FBI official: Florida anthrax appears to be 'isolated incident'
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/10/11/anthrax.investigation/index.html

October 11, 2001

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Investigators have found no evidence linking the presence of anthrax at the offices of a supermarket tabloid publisher in Florida with the September 11 terrorist attacks against the United States, an FBI official said Thursday.

"The FBI has found no connection between the anthrax and the terror attacks of September 11," Tim Caruso, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, told a House Intelligence Committee hearing on national security. "The anthrax appears to be an isolated incident."

A tabloid photo editor who died of inhalation anthrax and two co-workers who tested positive for the bacteria but show no symptoms of the disease apparently were infected with the same strain.

The strain also was found in the newspaper mail room and on the photo editor's computer keyboard, Caruso said.

Earlier Thursday, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft told CNN that investigators were treating the anthrax incident in Florida as a criminal matter but weren't prepared to label it a bioterrorism attack.

"I don't think we can say it (is a bioterrorism attack) conclusively, but obviously anthrax is a very serious matter, and its presence would be very unusual in that setting," Ashcroft said. "We are treating this as a criminal matter and are investigating it with great care."

Ashcroft added that any evidence connecting the anthrax with the hijackers who slammed commercial jets into the New York's World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania countryside "would be of great interest to us and it would assist us very substantially in understanding and evaluating other circumstances."

...more...

and then there's this piece to the puzzle

George Bush went on Anti-anthrax "Cipro" on 9-11

Los Angeles, Alta California - 6/10/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan learned yesterday that the White House Staff including President George Bush went on a regiment of the anti-biotic "Cipro" that is use to ward off anthrax infections on September 11, 2001. This is a few weeks before the anthrax attacks that began on October, 2001. This means that the White House had fore-knowledge of the impending anthrax terrorist attacks and did not warn the American people.

Judicial Watch, an organization who's mission is ". . . to serve as an ethical and legal 'watchdog' over our government, legal, and judicial systems to promote a return to ethics and morality in our nation's public life" has filed lawsuits against the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Center for Disease Control (CDC), the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) and the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) for those agencies’ failures to produce documents concerning the terrorist anthrax attacks of October 2001, under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The public interest organization wants to know why the White House went on Cipro beginning September 11th as well as what they knew and when?

Judicial Watch is representing the Afro-American postal workers from the Brentwood Postal Facility in Washington, DC. The Brentwood facility handled all of the mail for Washington, DC, including the “official mail” that contained the anthrax-laden envelopes addressed to Senators Daschle and Leahy. While Capitol Hill workers received prompt medical care, Brentwood postal workers were ordered by USPS officials to continue working in the contaminated facility. Two of the Black Brentwood workers died from inhalation anthrax, and dozens more are now suffering from a variety of ailments related to the anthrax attacks. Legal actions are being planned for the disparate treatment against the Black postal workers.

In October 2001, press reports revealed that White House staff had been on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic Cipro since the September 11th terrorist attacks. Judicial Watch is aggressively pursuing the disclosure of the facts and the decision for White House staff, and President Bush as well, to begin taking Cipro nearly a month before anthrax was detected on Capitol Hill.

“The American people deserve a full accounting from the Bush administration, the FBI , and other agencies concerning the anthrax attacks. The FBI’s investigation seems to have dead-ended, and frankly, that is not very reassuring given their performance with the September 11th hijackers,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman. “One doesn’t simply start taking a powerful antibiotic for no good reason. The American people are entitled to know what the White House staffers knew nine months ago, “ he added.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:07 PM
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37. HELLO! The Executive was complying with a court order!!
What does Goss want? The end of Justice? Oh, wait, Justice ended on Junta Day, 12-12-2000!!!!!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:19 PM
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38. What a ridiculous comment from ABC News... "spies speaking up"
Frickin' Porter Goss wasn't a spy, he was one of the Bush appointees overseeing the CIA, so he's hardly an unbiased, unconflicted voice on the issue. Hell, Goss may even be implicated in some of the torture. Maybe that's what he's really concerned about.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:04 PM
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41. Porter Goss is nothing more than a hack for Republicans
As the chairman of the House Intelligence committee he refused to investigate the Valerie Plame leak. And now he wants to claim the release of the White House torture memos was "giving away secrets"? What an asshole.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:46 PM
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43. WTF
And it has put former agents like Mike Scheuer, the former head of the CIA unit in charge of tracking Osama bin Laden, on the defensive.

"The real problem for a lot of the officers who were involved in this, including myself, was we were very certain that the interrogation procedures procured information that was worth having," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7430947&page=1
....
There is also evidence cutting against the CIA's claims. A.B. Krongard, who was the agency's executive director when the coercive interrogations began, told author Ron Suskind that KSM and other Qaeda captives "went through hell and gave up very, very little. :wtf:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:55 PM
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46. yeah, and the people concocting Operation Northwoods believed fervently they were "defending freedom
and democracy and America"--in fact, the 1963-85 Brazilian and 1976-83 Argentinean juntas thought earnestly that they were saving their countries from being eroded and poisoned (sure, they had to wade through oceans of blood, but what can you do with a neo-Nazi National Security Doctrine)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:12 PM
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45. Piffle on Porter
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 10:13 PM by Solly Mack
Thug...nuttin' but a thug
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:33 PM
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47. kick. Lot's of interesting info in this thread.
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