US offshores 22,000 green jobs to India

[ChromeFoundry]

Source: Express India

27 Apr 2009 09:43:08 AM

ISTBANGALORE: As the Obama government gets ready to raise a protectionist wall against offshoring, the US firms seem to be shipping more jobs to India.

The US firms have offshored 22,000 green technology jobs to India since January 1, 2009, Doug Brown, co-author of the influential 2009 Green Outsourcing Report, informed TNIE.

“We see the (green job offshoring) trend increasing as the US and the UK outsourcing buyers are seeking lower cost in labour and energy consumption. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms,” he said.

The annual industry study by Brown-Wilson Group, which surveyed 4,000 global firms, was released last week.

The report lists Patni, HCL, WNS, Wipro, Mastech and Tech Mahindra among important Indian green vendors who are benefiting from the offshoring wave.

Among the non-Indian firms, Xerox, Accenture, IBM Global, CSC, Capgemini, Oracle, HP/ ED S, Aramark, SITEL and Perot lead the list.

As most of these firms run large delivery centres in India, the boom in their green offshoring business is expected to further create jobs in India.

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I thought these "green jobs" were supposed to help replace the jobs already lost in the U.S.? :wtf:

[OhioChick]

1. "the boom in their green offshoring business is expected to further create jobs in India"

Well, there goes the green jobs. :wtf: is right. :mad:

[ihavenobias]

6. Now that I think about it, this sort of thing totally plays into the hands of the Republicans.

Yes, driving down our wages/benefits here, but that's a given. I mean the fact that if this sort of thing keeps up, people will start to believe them when they say that a green economy will bad, that we need to keep drilling, etc.

I'm very happy with some of what Obama is doing, but so far he seems to be following the trail blazed by Bill Clinton with regard to outsourcing/insourcing of labor. Sure, Geithner and the other Wall Street cronies *might* be able to re-inflate our debt bubble, but we'll eventually end up right back in the same place.

The bottom line is that we need to take a very hard look at our trade policies, and we need to question why about 40% of our economy is the financial industry. What a horrible foundation to build an economy!

[Deja Q]

8. I've nothing against developing countries, but why are they being developed by dismantling of ours?

Isn't "globalization" another word for "expansion" and not "migration"?

[ihavenobias]

16. Exactly.

Unfortunately many on the right add a racial/xenophobic element to issues of outsourcing (and especially insourcing, i.e. undocumented workers).

That leads some Dems to dismiss *legitimate* concerns about insourcing/outsourcing as racism/xenophobia, and to support (directly or indirectly) policies that are damaging economically to the lower/middle class in this country. I've even seen it plenty of times here at DU.

Maybe it would help to explain to them that it's simply an economic issue: if the labor supply goes up, wages and benefits go down. Granted, the fact that labor is outsourced to/insourced from countries with much lower standards of living, it puts even MORE downward pressure on wages and benefits here in the US. Of course I don't blame the people taking the jobs, not at all.

I blame the employers wanting to exploit cheap labor, and the policy makers (who get contributions from the employers and perks from lobbyists) who make it possible.

[Deja Q]

31. Those for offshoring or against offshoring, are labeled racist?

Seems plenty on both sides...

Then again, George Allen was lambasted for making racial epithets... when the media didn't say one peep about his SUPPORT of offshoring jobs to countries... whose people fit the very slurs he used. Talk about strange indeed...

Still, those in other countries see the wages as big and great -- which is why their economies are booming. Americans cannot live on the same wages; the cost of living is too high. Never mind furthering education...

[rainy]

38. Its a race to the lowest wages. Once all the low wage workers have been

exploited in all countries our natural resourses will be all dried up and we will be poor and sick with crappy jobs and too much pollution.

[Deja Q]

67. Yet these countries are developing and prospering; it's the abuse of localized cost of living/wages

That's the root problem.

Both sides are guilty of exploitation. If we are a moral, Christian society, fixes need to be made.

Note: I'm making a clandestine slam at the previous "administration", which claimed to be Christian but in action was anything but.

[Deja Q]

2. Perot... the one ran by the dude who, in 1992, said there'd be a great flushing sound?

Mind you, times change...


And, yes, I recall reading 'green jobs' were to replace offshored manufacturing and other jobs...

[girl gone mad]

12. Yes, that Perot.

He decided: "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

[xchrom]

3. 22,000 jobs --

:grr: unless people get very angry a la the europeans -- this will continue.

[stillcool]

4. Got to get while the getting's good...

It's not surprising that when these multi-national corporations lose their tax-haven they would be outta-here, is it?

[Deja Q]

5. Not surprising at all

:(

[Old Hob]

7. well, isn't that special?

[Justyce]

9. Obama's a free trader & is making it pretty clear

since being elected that he doesn't intend to get our jobs back or stop the hemorrhaging of our jobs overseas, contrary to promises made during the election. Hopefully the outrage over so many people losing their jobs will make him wake up & change his mind. I don't know how they expect the economy to recover when they don't want to do anything about unemployment being so high due to the offshoring of jobs. :crazy:

[Deja Q]

11. Yet many DUers have put up posts about him supporting big Labor positions and unions...

Unless that's just tokenism?

[stillcool]

22. Obviously one is directly related to the other..

Why would multi-national corporations be beating feet, if they thought that Unions would fail? Do you think they're leaving because their corporations would see a decline in their tax rates, a decline in their labor costs?

[rox63]

13. What part of the first sentence didn't you understand?

"As the Obama government gets ready to raise a protectionist wall against offshoring, the US firms seem to be shipping more jobs to India."

They are doing it now, because the Obama administration is about to put limitations on offshoring.

[Deja Q]

14. I missed that too

[MindPilot]

32. All the jobs will be gone by the time that "wall" is up.

I want to know what the Obama administration is doing to get the jobs back.
Not much from what I see.

[Justyce]

35. Agree. nt

[OhioChick]

37. Bingo! n/t

[stillcool]

21. Now that is interesting...

how is it that you think the President of the United States can stop multi-national companies from shifting their jobs overseas? Better tax incentives? Weaker labor laws? Less stringent rules on pollution?

[Justyce]

24. For one thing, tax incentives to keep jobs here and/or

penalties for offshoring them to make it not so appealing. As far as labor laws, why should our country's companies be allowed to not honor our labor laws, which they aren't doing when they hire slave labor in other countries. This free trade problem is still fairly new in the big picture, and we did much better before. Free trade particularly benefits other countries who don't have our labor laws, etc. It's not benefiting us by any means and needs a complete overhaul.

[stillcool]

25. Penalties for off-shoring..

are probably not cost prohibitive in relation to the money saved by cheap labor, loose environmental laws and cheaper taxes. These are not American Corporations, they are multi-national. They have no allegiance to any country. I do not know what legislation includes these tax cuts for Corporations that keep jobs here. Do you know if there is money provided in the budget?

[OhioChick]

26. If these companies are "multi-national" then why is IBM's CEO asking the US for bailout money?

Sam Palmisano: IBM CEO begs Obama for bailout

http://gawker.com/5078804/ibm-ceo-begs-obama-for-bailout

If these companies are not "American Corporations" any longer, then they should go begging for $$$$ elsewhere.

[stillcool]

27. Why? I think it's called blackmail..

they take their jobs if the U.S. doesn't pay out. Look at GM in India and China. Doing a booming business. Expanding even.

[Justyce]

28. At least until Americans can no longer afford to buy their products due

to our unemployment rate...

[Deja Q]

29. Or inability to buy because GM's prodcuts keep breaking down...

The day I started hearing GM bought actual parts for their laborers to put together... at first I thought it was bollocks, but there seems to be more reality to that...

It's ironic, the ONLY car in the US that is made, ground up, on US soil is...


drumroll...


Toyota.

:thumbsup:

[stillcool]

30. Perhaps China and India will pick

up the slack as their societies emerge.

IBM Planet wide
http://www.ibm.com/planetwide/select/selector.html

[Justyce]

34. The common workers in those countries making such low

incomes won't be able to afford many expensive American vehicles. I can't believe you think this is a good thing.

[stillcool]

48. A good thing? Why would I consider..

it a 'good thing'? And why would they buy expensive "American" vehicles?

[bluesmail]

10. that's right up there along side torture IMO

UnAmerican and unpatriotic

[bvar22]

15. Using US Taxpayer dollars....

....to stimulate the economy of India.

How nice.

[notadmblnd]

17. Those are tech jobs and tech companies.

when were they relabeled as "green?"

[BonnieJW]

18. I just sent this to

Whitehouse.gov. Why don't some of you do so as well?

[OhioChick]

20. Already did.

:thumbsup:

Also sent it to various Senators and my Congressman.

[Azlady]

39. I just did - lets all send this to the White House & Congress n/t

[Auggie]

19. No hope for the USA

The quest for profit is dooming any attempt to rebuild manufacturing here.



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[AzDar]

23. K & R

:kick:

[blue97keet]

33. Nothing "green" about offshoring to the biggest growing CO2 poluters

[MindPilot]

36. +1...

[L0oniX]

40. The only way to stop this to have a worker re-education tax.

Tax the companies that outsource and cause job losses here. Make it so it isn't worth while for them to outsource jobs. Do it or we are goners! No one is playing fair and they never will. WTO and NAFTA is the enemy of the American worker. The WTO and NAFTA are not going to get us any jobs but they give everyone else jobs. We can't compete with lower wages unless our bills come down and you know they aren't going to lower your electricity and phone bills. The cost of living here is only costing more and more and because of that we can't afford to work for less. Maybe they will make it a little easier to live out in the streets and still work eventually. Won't that be nice?

[tomm2thumbs]

41. that does it, I'm moving to India to be a slumdog gadzillionaire

or middle class

[amandabeech]

46. It's been tried. India won't let you in.

Surprise, surprise.

[glinda]

42. America has less than a half-assed attempt at creating green jobs. China already

will produce more wind turbines. Saudi is talking about massive solar power. Our greedy self serving Corporate heads don't give a rat's ass about us. Things will not change unless there are laws in place to force or encourage change. That is the only kind of change I believe in. Nothing against other Nations etc... but we need jobs and advancements.

[OhioChick]

62. You're absolutely right. n/t

[intheflow]

43. The most fucked up part is all the energy they'll use

shipping those "green" products from India to the US. :banghead:

[gabby garcia]

44. well - we won't be able to

afford to buy them soon anyway

[intheflow]

45. Certainly not with the shipping costs involved!

[Skittles]

47. this just needs to fucking STOP

the best thing Obama can do for the American economy is stop these traitorous bastards from offshoring or at least STOP GIVING THEM TAX BREAKS

[stillcool]

49. HA! Stop giving them tax breaks..

that'll really keep them here!!!

[OhioChick]

50. Then what would YOU suggest?

Do enlighten me.

[stillcool]

52. I would say let them go...

the one advantage we do have is our military. We protect American 'business interests' across the globe. Why don't we benefit from that? Any solution requires that dreaded 'compromise' thing. We need these jobs, but we need to have a better bargaining chip.

[ChromeFoundry]

51. It's a start...

First, you stop rewarding them for moving these jobs offshore... as promised, pre-November '08.

Second, you tariff the piss out of imported goods and services. That will end this bleeding in a hurry.

Remove the largest and most profitable market from these fuckers and you now have them by the balls. Hell, you want to call me out on protectionism? go ahead... we are pretty much owned by China anyways... when they come collecting and we cannot pay... you can kiss away nearly all your freedoms because they will no doubt get it by force, one way or another.

BTW... have I seen you post anything constructive on this topic? I see your name constantly bashing others for their thoughts on this matter, yet I have yet to see you post anything in the form of an idea.

[stillcool]

53. I'm not bashing anyone's thoughts..

I am just sticking up for my own. I think we need to be 'protectionists'. If we don't protect our economy, and our people's livelihoods who will? I think your suggestions are great, and I think we need to do more to create business around them.

[OhioChick]

54. Guess I'm over-educated! LOL

:rofl:

[ChromeFoundry]

56. It's about time!!!

Congrats...you are the first one able to read a Latin message. It's been there for over a month and nobody figured it out.

LOL, now I need to change it!

[OhioChick]

58. I've been pondering it for a while now...

Took Latin many moons ago. Should've been a physician, but instead got into this IT shit-hole. :)

[HughBeaumont]

55. When are people going to realize that America has absolutely no FUTURE in a set-up like this?

We're the supposed "Economic Envy of the World". What a high colossus mound of bullshit that is. How are we envied? We take our workers and our futures as seriously as we take our Presidential elections. 57 million people had no problem putting a tabloid-ready, spendthrift, Rapture-rightist, hatemongering lunatic nutshell in the highest office of the land. These same 57 million people voted for the worst president that America has ever seen. TWICE.

For the past 28 years our government has been loaded to the Hilton with shadowy corporate bastards, gun runners, Atlas Shrugged-embracing shitbags, mafia-level criminals and aristocracy bitchturds. These thugs turned the Treasury into their own personal mint, shifted all of the risk onto us, kept our wages flat and costs increasing and told us to use credit to make up for the fact that they never had any intention of raising our wages.

As if flattening our wages wasn't enough . . . for the past twenty years, they performed one of their other dirty tricks known as globalization and have successfully sold it hook, line and sinker to any Randist slobberer within 100 yards. Keeping wages flat while raising yet another necessity (college) was all part of their grand scheme. Since most third world nations get their higher education subsidized, corporations finally got something they never had over here: two burgeoning and easily exploitable slave states. One for blue collar work, the other for white collar work. Low cost, offshoreable, inshoreable. No pesky jokers demanding that ever annoying living wage; God FORBID we should expect to be compensated more than a pittance for the years and dollars we put into what they told us to do all along.

America treats its college educations the same way it treats its Constitution and Bill of Rights: like common Charmin. Empty platitudes such as "Retrain!" or "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" or "We cannot be protectionist" or "You'll bounce back!" fall about as flat to a newly dropped individual as an American politician trying to convince it's constituents that corporations DON'T run everything, including them.

We've been priced out and sold up the river. I came up with solutions to this problem long ago; it's funny how only a handful of people in the Senate (one of them being MY Senator, Sherrod Brown) and those on DU care about doing something to help the plight of American workers.

When is America going to start caring about its future again? We're not going to have one if we continually choose to appease the rich and their needs. We're not.

[ChromeFoundry]

57. Very well said! n/t

[Mari333]

59. ditto that! nt

[OhioChick]

60. Well said, Hugh. n/t

[mr11]

61. High Five!

:thumbsup:

[mule_train]

63. pretty much sums it up - nt

[Deja Q]

66. It's a fragile situation, thanks to offshoring...

Other countries might get mad if we start taking jobs back or get rid of jobs because they can't do a crappy enough of a job. Look at Microsoft between 2001 and 2009. Product quality has plummeted big time, ditto for support. This is the same company that keeps bringing in more H1Bs as the problem continues to worsen.

At this point, I wouldn't want to work on Windows operating system coding anyway - a pile of shit spaghetti, given the system requirements of Vista and Windows 7 (the latter whose minimum system requirements just keep going up and up and up. And when it comes to Microsoft, their minimum has got to be multiplied by FOUR in order to get something usable out of it.

I hope OS X doesn't go the same route as Windows; but Apple actually has to maintain its reputation and NOT do things on the cheap. They're much better than Linux; I know that firsthand now. Which is not to dis Linux; especially for its price, one gets a very good deal. In short, each platform has its uses but Microsoft needs to get more responsible about code and stop being greedy for such laxness.

(That's not to say there are SOME benefits to Vista, especially the 64-bit version, but Windows bloat is no longer a small increment for each new release. Vista started the exponential trend.)

Maybe Win7 isn't as bad as all that -- it's out exactly out yet, I'll be fair.

[mule_train]

64. Darn! I thought we could all just retrain for 'Green jobs', because they were going to make up for

all the lost manufacturing and IT jobs lost

I would have never guessed that these would go offshore too

[OhioChick]

65. Welcome to DU.

:hi: