Air France tail found; U.S. helps hunt black boxes

[Libertas1776]

Source: Newsday

RECIFE, Brazil - Brazilian searchers found a large tail section from an Air France jet today, one of the biggest pieces yet recovered from wreckage that could help narrow the search for Flight 447's black boxes. A U.S. Navy team is bringing in high-tech underwater listening devices to detect pings from the data and voice recorders.

Brazilian and French military ships that have so far recovered 16 bodies and large amounts of plane wreckage searched amid a sea of floating debris, finding the tail section with Air France's trademark red and blue stripes. All the wreckage has been found bobbing in the Atlantic Ocean; the Brazilians don't have the means of locating underwater debris.

Brazilian military officials reduced the number of recovered bodies from the 17 announced Sunday, saying there had been a counting error.







Read more: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wojet0609,0,3026384.story

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Let's hope they find the black box, and give these grieving families peace.

[Maat]

1. Yes.

Hopefully, they will be able to answer the questions about what happened.

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[MADem]

4. That was a pretty inappropriate remark. The USN excel at this sort of grisly but humanitarian

work. They've done it on many occasions.

:eyes:

[tocqueville]

13. agrees completely nt

[CreekDog]

5. are you worried about war crimes as they try to salvage victims and plane wreckage?

get a life. :wtf:

[TZ]

7. +1

:hi:

[lxlxlxl]

8. huh?

[lxlxlxl]

9. It's really weird to me that there is no radar coverage of that part of the atlantic.

i guess there is no reason for the general public to know where or where we don't have radar coverage, but i was amazed to know that we dont track planes over the atlantic.

[Posteritatis]

11. Radar doesn't have unlimited range, and it can't see through the planet

We're talking long enough distances that the earth's curvature is getting in the way of planes five or six miles up.

[Posteritatis]

10. All kinds of fail in this dumbass comment

And that's even before getting into the idea that a US fleet in the mid-Atlantic is a threat to Bolivia.

[onehandle]

12. Fuck off. nt

[peacetalksforall]

15. One of the first thoughts I had when I heard it had gone down is that

certain people in the U.S. would try to pass the blame to Castro, Chavez, or Morales.

Then I thought wait a minute, Cheney and Bush are no longer in office. Then I remembered the snide and accusatory remarks of Sec of State Clinton and others have made against Chavez and Morales.

You're remark and my nearly instantaneous thoughts indicate a distrust of the U.S. and that is what is important here.

I know that Sec of State Clinton and others are not going to say anything as absurd as linking Chavez or Morales, but there is lingering doubt about our country and there hasn't been a clean break with the previous administration.

We had an assassination plan against Morales that his intelligence figured out and stopped. The alleged assassins are all from Europe. Why is the western world against these two leaders? A person can't help but think about them - the spoken disdain is loud and clear.

And the motive is always the same - a combination of earth resource riches and the presumption that the people are inferior and easy targets.

By the way, is the military going to keep their military bases in Paraguay set up by Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld - for the future invasion and takeover of Bolivia and (probably, also) for the protection of Rev. Moon. Let's hear the news that we're closing down our invasion bases there. Between Colombia, Paraguay, Venezuela, and Boliva, plus Cuba we are obsessed by the continent because our corporations are obsessed. They want 1930 profits when they bought the continent with the help of corrupt Presidents and Military Generals - we and Europe bought the continent.

The corporations (thus the politicians) are very concerned about the progressive people-leaders in Central and South America. No more 'imperializing' in the Western Hemisphere by the corporations with the support of our military, State Dept, intelligence departments and the hit men.

We have every right to be suspicious of our country and certain leaders even in this transition period when we can't exactly figure out what is going on.

Since the sixteenth century the riches of those countries have not been shared with the people, especially the indigenous.

We are suspicious of every aircraft going down, why not this one until we know and can trust that it is a genuine failure or combination of aviation related causes.

[Blue_Tires]

3. how soon before they can start searching the bottom?

[MADem]

6. When they have the equipment on site. Not sure when that will be.

Sometime today, it would seem. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aktwfm9fe0NY&refer=latin_america

Salvage Teams

The U.S. Navy is sending two towed pinger locators to Natal, Brazil, tomorrow to help search teams in finding the aircraft’s black boxes, said Pentagon spokesman Jeffrey Gordon.

U.S. crewmen will operate the pinger cables from two French Navy frigates taking part in the search. The ships will drag the cables in their wakes. A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion patrol aircraft was ordered to the search area on June 2 to help find the debris of the aircraft and was redeployed to Florida June 5, Gordon said.

Two French mini-submarines were also sent to the area to aid in the search and are scheduled to arrive around June 12.

[Codeine]

21. That'll be a huge task.

It's not a flat bottom in that area, but rather an underwater mountain range. Daunting stuff.

[tocqueville]

14. pics here

on Monday June 8, 2009, divers aboard a French Navy dinghy, foreground, collect a debris near the French frigate "Ventose", in the search area of Air France's Flight 447 in the Atlantic ocean.



A plane equipped with an 'airborne warning and control system' (Awacs) radar is pictured on June 7, 2009 at the French Air Base in Dakar as French military crew prepared for its take off.



unmanned submarine Victor 6000 at an undisclosed location. The French research vessel The Pourquoi Pas, carrying search submarines, is heading from the Azores and will be in the search zone for the missing Air France plane by June 12



this sub can gp down to 18000 ft (6000 m)



The Pourquoi Pas

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. I'm amazed that a tail section floats for days

That presumably means it's air and watertight; and you'd think there'd be less stress on it if it wasn't pressurized at altitude.

[Psephos]

17. On this plane, the tail is made of plastic composites, not aluminum. eom

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. Thank you - that explains it all (nt)

[Psephos]

20. n.p. :)

[JustJeking]

18. I hope they find the black boxes next...